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[LadySuspense]

Eh I am going after I read this new interesting stuff.

Modifié par LadySuspense, 29 décembre 2012 - 10:29 .

[Norlond]

Repost

OfficialGDC:@bioware details their embedded QA model during Mass Effect 3’s narrative creation process. @Tulaychan #GDC http://ow.ly/fZ97b

GDCs are March 27-29, after (?) the next DLC release
Regardless if the next DLC reveals IT or not, that conference should be quite interesting, I really want to know what QAs reactions were like when they first saw the ending

edit: cya lady

edit2: ME3 got bronze in angryjoes Top 10 2012

Modifié par Norlond, 29 décembre 2012 - 10:29 .

[LadySuspense]

Lokanaiya wrote...

Hey, I've been typing up all the evidence I can think of for the beam run being a dream and I just finished a section of it. Do you guys want to see and maybe add something to it?

I don't know how much I could add to it but I would like to see it.

[BansheeOwnage]

MaximizedAction wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

It's an interesting idea. In the past I have posited that a possibility for an IT reveal would only change destroy (and possible refuse). So, in a way, you could have the IT end for destroy, and an illusion (from the IT perspective) as you end for synthesis and control. It would allow IT and literal endings at the same time.

Now don't get me wrong, I would love to see you play as an indoctrinated Shepard having to kill you LI or something (it would be sooooo sad ). It would show the controllers and synthesisers.  Just an idea though.

Would love-hate that too. But of course only, if there would be some possibility to talk the LI out of it, I can easily imagine that to be one of the most emotional moments for the trilogy.

Nice avatar! And I agree. It's too good to pass up Bioware! Speaking of which... Everyone knows how "Prothy the Prothean" and "quad" were community made things right? Well imagine this: If they do do an IT reveal, I wonder what ideas they will use that we thought of?! Some of us may be famous!

[BansheeOwnage]

LadySuspense wrote...

Thank you Banshee and 401! And yes I think there should be reapercussions (wink wink).

I'm asari, I didn't geth it.

[Lokanaiya]

Alright, here we go:

Pre-Run:

First, the second to last line before the transport crashes is Coats saying “We’re in sight of the target.” Wait, what? You’re in sight of the beam? By that logic, the whole of London is in sight of it. Or do you mean that you’re in sight of where everyone’s going to run to? No, sorry, you’re not. The transports are too far back to be able to see the valley or whatever it is that the beam is in the middle of. Shepard and Anderson have to run up to
the edge to be able to see it and step back in horror. (By the way, your squadmates and Coats are never shown running up to the edge either and are just standing in random positions when the camera zooms out) Granted, there is a lot of evidence to say that Coats is just a hallucination, but all the same, if he’s real that statement is completely wrong.

Second, a minor piece of evidence in comparison, but all it shows of the crash is the sudden stop and Shepard careening forward with his head in front (so that if he, I don’t know, wasn’t able to stop himself in time he would bang into the wall with a lot of force and his head in front) After that, it’s a sudden cut to black for a few seconds followed by a view of outside the transport after everyone has already climbed out (and by “everyone” I mean “Shepard and Anderson.” Your squaddies and Coats appear magically to run behind you and Anderson up to the edge.) and Anderson saying “****…” before everyone unanimously decides to run to the edge. Wait, why did Anderson wait that long to curse? Why didn’t they show everyone getting out? How did everyone unanimously decide to run over there? Why was everyone else completely silent? You’d think that both Shepard and your squadmates would have some comments on it. Shepard could have given some inspirational one-liner, a random squadmate could comment on how this wasn’t going to be fun, Javik would call everyone
primitives and insist that in his day everyone made long mad dashes right next to Reapers and liked it too…

Third: Wait. ReaperS. Why was only Harbinger there? What happened to the other Reapers Hackett had said were coming? We were even shown no less than EIGHT coming towards to Earth, with the camera moving before we had for certain seen them all. So, where did they all go? And, now that I think about it, how did Harbinger get there so quickly? Even if you account for all the time skipped while you’re in the transport, he still got there awfully fast. It should take longer than that to go all the way from orbit to ground level.

And, come to think of it, there are two more things I'm going to add (beam structure and disappearing crappy transport driver who crashes for no reason) but this is everything else I have.

Edit: Format fixed

Modifié par Lokanaiya, 29 décembre 2012 - 10:37 .

[BleedingUranium]

estebanus wrote...

My great-grandfather was a danish resistance member who got caught after having sabotaged a railroad.

My grandfather was in the Danish resistance too! He was a sniper or a marksman, not sure which, and sadly that's all I know, as he never tells stories, and isn't all there anymore

DarthSliver wrote...

It just seems odd that Bioware would go out of their way to show stuff that can prove IT to be real with out openingly saying its real.

But that's the idea

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

 Well it's finally done. Excuse my speculative madness due to being in the middle of a big ball of reapers. Beam run.  I educate you all on intentional use. 

I'm curious, did we ever actually figure out a possible location for the beam run?  I.E. Where it London it might actually take place?

no I don't believe so. The beam run is too obscure to tell. We would have to consider the skyline or the prior scene at the missile battery to determine roughly where we are

I believe Megumi figured it out a long time ago, with nice pretty pictures. IIRC the beam structure is right where Buckingham Palace used to be, and the run goes down its driveway thing.

[LadySuspense]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

LadySuspense wrote...

Thank you Banshee and 401! And yes I think there should be reapercussions (wink wink).

I'm asari, I didn't geth it.

 your so punny!

[DarthSliver]

401 Kill wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

It's an interesting idea. In the past I have posited that a possibility for an IT reveal would only change destroy (and possible refuse). So, in a way, you could have the IT end for destroy, and an illusion (from the IT perspective) as you end for synthesis and control. It would allow IT and literal endings at the same time.

Now don't get me wrong, I would love to see you play as an indoctrinated Shepard having to kill you LI or something (it would be sooooo sad ). It would show the controllers and synthesisers.  Just an idea though.

Would love-hate that too. But of course only, if there would be some possibility to talk the LI out of it, I can easily imagine that to be one of the most emotional moments for the trilogy.

If you indeed end up Indoctrinated, I would like the option to have your LI convince you that you were indoctrinated, and have Shepard kill himself.

In control choice I see a Darkspawn DLC type of events happening because I feel Shepard is fulling indocrinated with that choice and Synthesis I see Shepard between losing himself to Indocrination and keeping himself himself. So with Synthesis I can see the LI be able to sway Shepard and possibly even help Shepard break the Indocrination through shooting himself, shooting Shepard, or if your lucky breaking control complete. With Control I see it like this Shepard either succeeds in indocrinating his LI or Shepard shoots LI for resisting, but not to leave it completely hopeless maybe when Shepard encounters the LI theres a chance to allow the LI to convince you your indocrinated and to get you to do a Saren. But with control that LI thing would be fairly in the beginning since I see control version playing out like how the Darkspawn DLC is on Origins. Than with Destroy and Refuse it plays out how it should, Refuse seems like a viable choice to resisting indocrination too. Cruicable does seem iffy to use from certain points of views so thats why I think Refuse also breaks indocrination.

But I can see a true reveal dlc for IT being best DLC but it would probably be noteworthy big and entitle to be called an expansion because it would have to bring 3 choices in a way to converge into one ending at the end sorta type thing.  Leaving Control that allows Shepard to either shot himself to stop the Reapers or completely helping the Reapers, going back to the fleet and killing the leaders type thing. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Eryri wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...
A) Origins          “You wouldn't dare destroy such an important source of knowledge." - Dwarf in the Flask
     “We created an intelligence with the mandate to preserve life at any cost." - Leviathan
     In Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, the Dwarf in the Flask was created by an Xerxean alchemist using the blood of Van Hohenheim to create a source of knowledge to aid in his research of finding a way to create the perfect being. This gained the attention of the King of Xerxes, who was aging and seeking a way to become immortal, and ordered the alchemist to come forward with this source of information to aid in his goal. The Dwarf in the Flask agreed to aid the king as long as the king followed the Dwarf's instructions exactly.          In Mass Effect, the Catalyst was created by the Leviathans as a source of intelligence to aid in finding a way to stop the conflicts between organics and synthetic life forms. The Leviathans saw that with this problem plaguing their servant races eliminated, their reign as the apex race would be an immortal one.
Betrayal
     “You said if we stood in the center of the circle, we wouldn't be harmed." - King of Xerxes
     “Its understanding grew until it found a solution. In that instant, it betrayed us." - Leviathan
     In Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, the King of Xrexes accepted the Dwarf in the Flask's terms and followed his instructions to create a giant Transmutation Circle that spanned the area of the entire kingdom of Xerxes. The Dwarf then told the king that in order to obtain immortality for himself and his top staff that the entire population of Xerxes would have to be sacrificed to create a Philosopher's Stone within those who stood in the center of the circle when it was activated. However, the Dwarf in the Flask had deceived the king and his advisors by making them think they were standing in the center. In reality, the center of the circle was where the Dwarf in the Flask and his now loyal friend Van Hohenheim, unaware of the deception, were located, and thus the entire kingdom was destroyed to bestow upon the two of them immortal bodies, aiding Dwarf in the Flask's reason of creation in the first place, through the Philosopher's Stone. As a sign of appreciation for aiding in his birth, the Dwarf in the Flask based his new body in the same form as Hohenheim. 
     In Mass Effect, the Catalyst watched the fighting between organic and synthetic life and discovered the solution to the problem was not only synthetic life, but organic life as well. Following his programming,  the Catalyst decided the best way to stop both forms of life from destroying each other was to preserve their essence inside an organic-synthetic hybrid. Acting fast, the Catalyst mislead and betrayed the Leviathans and harvested them for this solution first, since they were the most advanced race and thus the largest threat to the then powerless Catalyst as well as being the top priority of preserving in the perfect form and aid in his purpose. As a way to acknowledge the Leviathans aid in his creation, the Catalyst based this new perfect design, later known as Reaper, in their form.

Some interesting parallels here LDS. I've not seen the series, but it's interesting that although they are so similar, the origin story for the Homunculi seems much more sensible and appropriate than that of the Reapers. Perhaps because we were spoiled by Sovereign's epic speech with lines like "We are without beginning. We are without end. We simply are!" It made them sound almost like a force of nature. It allowed our imaginations to run away and imbue them with god-like properties.

I agree that the Homunculi were handled better. For one, the Elric Brothers (the equivilent of Shepard) met Father in Episode 27 of 64. That would be Shepard meeting Catalyst at the end of ME1 and having a simple exchange, similar to Harbinger's speech while the Collector Base is being either destroyed or sterilized. But instead, we got what should have been a few encounters spread throughout ME2 and ME3 shoved into a single one at the end of the trilogy. also, Father goes into great detail about his motives and plans, while Catalyst gives you a simplified run down of his and then goes "we don't have much time. You must choose" when Shepard asks questions.

[LadySuspense]

Lokanaiya wrote...

Alright, here we go:

Pre-Run:

First, the second to last line before the transport crashes is Coats saying “We’re in sight of the target.” Wait, what? You’re in sight of the beam? By that logic, the whole of London is in sight of it. Or do you mean that you’re in sight of where everyone’s going to run to? No, sorry, you’re not. The transports are too far back to be able to see the valley or whatever it is that the beam is in the middle of. Shepard and Anderson have to run up to
the edge to be able to see it and step back in horror. (By the way, your squadmates and Coats are never shown running up to the edge either and are just standing in random positions when the camera zooms out) Granted, there is a lot of evidence to say that Coats is just a hallucination, but all the same, if he’s real that statement is completely wrong.

Second, a minor piece of evidence in comparison, but all it shows of the crash is the sudden stop and Shepard careening forward with his head in front (so that if he, I don’t know, wasn’t able to stop himself in time he would bang into the wall with a lot of force and his head in front) After that, it’s a sudden cut to black for a few seconds followed by a view of outside the transport after everyone has already climbed out (and by “everyone” I mean “Shepard and Anderson.” Your squaddies and Coats appear magically to run behind you and Anderson up to the edge.) and Anderson saying “****…” before everyone unanimously decides to run to the edge. Wait, why did Anderson wait that long to curse? Why didn’t they show everyone getting out? How did everyone unanimously decide to run over there? Why was everyone else completely silent? You’d think that both Shepard and your squadmates would have some comments on it. Shepard could have given some inspirational one-liner, a random squadmate could comment on how this wasn’t going to be fun, Javik would call everyone
primitives and insist that in his day everyone made long mad dashes right next to Reapers and liked it too…

Third: Wait. ReaperS. Why was only Harbinger there? What happened to the other Reapers Hackett had said were coming? We were even shown no less than EIGHT coming towards to Earth, with the camera moving before we had for certain seen them all. So, where did they all go? And, now that I think about it, how did Harbinger get there so quickly? Even if you account for all the time skipped while you’re in the transport, he still got there awfully fast. It should take longer than that to go all the way from orbit to ground level.

And, come to think of it, there are two more things I'm going to add (beam structure and disappearing crappy transport driver who crashes for no reason) but this is everything else I have.

Edit: Format fixed

Jolly good sir!

[MaximizedAction]

Norlond wrote...

Repost

OfficialGDC:@bioware details their embedded QA model during Mass Effect 3’s narrative creation process. @Tulaychan #GDC http://ow.ly/fZ97b

GDCs are March 27-29, after (?) the next DLC release
Regardless if the next DLC reveals IT or not, that conference should be quite interesting, I really want to know what QAs reactions were like when they first saw the ending

Oh yeah, didn't notice the date. It's interesting that they're going to do that then...one year after the game's release and supposedly the end of the DLC cycle.
Indeed, one of the first things I wondered after witnessing the ending+the online fecalstorm was: what was the QA process for that like? Didn't the test/alpha/beta players say one or two things about it? Or did they just withhold the ending from them?

[byne]

Blur, you need more youtube links in your sig. You dont have nearly enough.

Modifié par byne, 29 décembre 2012 - 10:41 .

[estebanus]

BleedingUranium wrote...

estebanus wrote...

My great-grandfather was a danish resistance member who got caught after having sabotaged a railroad.

My grandfather was in the Danish resistance too! He was a sniper or a marksman, not sure which, and sadly that's all I know, as he never tells stories, and isn't all there anymore

Was he also trained in Britain and then smuggled into Denmark? Mine was.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

estebanus wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Ok, I'll give you that. Still, we have no way of knowing whether or not masster is lying unless he is able to give us his ancestors name and the serial number of the plane so we could check the military historical archives.

You're right. I'm gonna remain sceptical until actually faced with real proof.

That's fair.

[BleedingUranium]

byne wrote...

Blur, you need more youtube links in your sig. You dont have nearly enough.

I'm always looking for more, if anyone can remember good character quotes for each of those.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

estebanus wrote...

My great-grandfather was a danish resistance member who got caught after having sabotaged a railroad.

My grandfather was in the Danish resistance too! He was a sniper or a marksman, not sure which, and sadly that's all I know, as he never tells stories, and isn't all there anymore

Was he also trained in Britain and then smuggled into Denmark? Mine was.

I wish I had stories to share, but I don't know anything.

[Lokanaiya]

LadySuspense wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Alright, here we go:

Pre-Run:

First, the second to last line before the transport crashes is Coats saying “We’re in sight of the target.” Wait, what? You’re in sight of the beam? By that logic, the whole of London is in sight of it. Or do you mean that you’re in sight of where everyone’s going to run to? No, sorry, you’re not. The transports are too far back to be able to see the valley or whatever it is that the beam is in the middle of. Shepard and Anderson have to run up to
the edge to be able to see it and step back in horror. (By the way, your squadmates and Coats are never shown running up to the edge either and are just standing in random positions when the camera zooms out) Granted, there is a lot of evidence to say that Coats is just a hallucination, but all the same, if he’s real that statement is completely wrong.

Second, a minor piece of evidence in comparison, but all it shows of the crash is the sudden stop and Shepard careening forward with his head in front (so that if he, I don’t know, wasn’t able to stop himself in time he would bang into the wall with a lot of force and his head in front) After that, it’s a sudden cut to black for a few seconds followed by a view of outside the transport after everyone has already climbed out (and by “everyone” I mean “Shepard and Anderson.” Your squaddies and Coats appear magically to run behind you and Anderson up to the edge.) and Anderson saying “****…” before everyone unanimously decides to run to the edge. Wait, why did Anderson wait that long to curse? Why didn’t they show everyone getting out? How did everyone unanimously decide to run over there? Why was everyone else completely silent? You’d think that both Shepard and your squadmates would have some comments on it. Shepard could have given some inspirational one-liner, a random squadmate could comment on how this wasn’t going to be fun, Javik would call everyone
primitives and insist that in his day everyone made long mad dashes right next to Reapers and liked it too…

Third: Wait. ReaperS. Why was only Harbinger there? What happened to the other Reapers Hackett had said were coming? We were even shown no less than EIGHT coming towards to Earth, with the camera moving before we had for certain seen them all. So, where did they all go? And, now that I think about it, how did Harbinger get there so quickly? Even if you account for all the time skipped while you’re in the transport, he still got there awfully fast. It should take longer than that to go all the way from orbit to ground level.

And, come to think of it, there are two more things I'm going to add (beam structure and disappearing crappy transport driver who crashes for no reason) but this is everything else I have.

Edit: Format fixed

Jolly good sir!

Thank you!

And it's ma'am. Just for future reference.

Modifié par Lokanaiya, 29 décembre 2012 - 10:44 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Lokanaiya wrote...
Shepard could have given some inspirational one-liner, a random squadmate could comment on how this wasn’t going to be fun, Javik would call everyone
primitives and insist that in his day everyone made long mad dashes right next to Reapers and liked it too…

Third: Wait. ReaperS. Why was only Harbinger there? What happened to the other Reapers Hackett had said were coming? We were even shown no less than EIGHT coming towards to Earth, with the camera moving before we had for certain seen them all. So, where did they all go? And, now that I think about it, how did Harbinger get there so quickly? Even if you account for all the time skipped while you’re in the transport, he still got there awfully fast. It should take longer than that to go all the way from orbit to ground level.

And, come to think of it, there are two more things I'm going to add (beam structure and disappearing crappy transport driver who crashes for no reason) but this is everything else I have.

1. Primitives.
2. Good point. It does show plenty more reapers coming in but only Harbinger shows up. Weird.
3. I always though that was stupid to the point where I wasn't sure if the hallucination started at the crash. What, did the driver hit the edge on the beam area? How? And why is it on fire? Why is there no explanation?!

[byne]

BleedingUranium wrote...

byne wrote...

Blur, you need more youtube links in your sig. You dont have nearly enough.

I'm always looking for more, if anyone can remember good character quotes for each of those.

Any more would look crazy. It already looks crazy since I use this script.

Pic related:



Needs more youtube logos.

[BleedingUranium]

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

estebanus wrote...

My great-grandfather was a danish resistance member who got caught after having sabotaged a railroad.

My grandfather was in the Danish resistance too! He was a sniper or a marksman, not sure which, and sadly that's all I know, as he never tells stories, and isn't all there anymore

Was he also trained in Britain and then smuggled into Denmark? Mine was.

Not that I know of, but I suppose it's possible. Have you ever been to the Danish Resistance Museum? It's really cool, I went there when I was in Denmark last summer (2011).

[estebanus]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

estebanus wrote...

My great-grandfather was a danish resistance member who got caught after having sabotaged a railroad.

My grandfather was in the Danish resistance too! He was a sniper or a marksman, not sure which, and sadly that's all I know, as he never tells stories, and isn't all there anymore

Was he also trained in Britain and then smuggled into Denmark? Mine was.

I wish I had stories to share, but I don't know anything.

Why don't you know anything?

[BansheeOwnage]

LadySuspense wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...
Edit: Format fixed

Jolly good sir!

Loky is a she, but yes. Good post.

Edit:

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 29 décembre 2012 - 10:49 .

[BleedingUranium]

byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

byne wrote...

Blur, you need more youtube links in your sig. You dont have nearly enough.

I'm always looking for more, if anyone can remember good character quotes for each of those.

Any more would look crazy. It already looks crazy since I use this script.

Pic related:



Needs more youtube logos.

Oh wow, yeah I don't see the logos

[Hanako Ikezawa]

estebanus wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

estebanus wrote...

My great-grandfather was a danish resistance member who got caught after having sabotaged a railroad.

My grandfather was in the Danish resistance too! He was a sniper or a marksman, not sure which, and sadly that's all I know, as he never tells stories, and isn't all there anymore

Was he also trained in Britain and then smuggled into Denmark? Mine was.

I wish I had stories to share, but I don't know anything.

Why don't you know anything?

I don't really know anything about my real family since I'm adopted. All I know is that my real family's surname is Bradley and that they named me Selim. And as for my adoptive family, they had nobody of fighting age during the time, and while some worked in administration or development, there's really not much to share about them.