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[masster blaster]

okay I have edit the big post I have to help you understand what I was suppose to say/explain.

[masster blaster]

masster blaster wrote...



This is the scene where Shepard survives the pieces from Sovereign. And look at 7:33 keep watching and look at Shepard's left arm. Look where the hand is.

Now tell me Shepard does  cover this same spot when Shepard is holding his/her side, where a gun shot is present.


http://www.youtube.c...1&v=oGIf7SXgHlw

i want you to watch the Renegade ending for ME2 again and pay attention.

http://www.youtube.c...e=results_video

okay this is the Conversation Shepard, and Saren have at Virmire.

And it has Spanish sub titles, but English dub.

It's very interesting



Now watch this. This is from the final battle in ME1/last Conversation with Saren. Renegade

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=HH4E_wpgtlA
Now this is the same scene, but with Paragon Shepard. .

From video 2 at the end of ME2 Shepard tells TIM that if " You start
being selfish, dreaming about power, and we will all pay the price."
Correct
me if I am wrong, but didn't TIM crave power, and lead him to believe
that he can Control the Reapers, and we did pay the price because he got
corrupted by the lust of power to Control the Reapers.

Now in
Video 3 Saren is telling Shepard that what he is doing is to save
everyone in the galaxy, by helping the Reapers, which Shepard can do at
the end of ME3 Synthesis.Now when Shepard ask do you expect the Reapers
will let us live, Saren tells Shepard " .....We Organics are driven by
emotion instead of logic, and we will fight even though we can not win,
but if we work with the Reapers. Make our self useful. Think how many
lives can be spared."
Synthesis, and Control spare everyone's lives.
Then
Shepard tells Saren" You are afraid Sovereign is Controlling you. You
are afraid he is Controlling your thoughts." well isn't that the same boat
we are in at the ending. We are afraid that the Catalyst is Contriving
us to pick his choices he likes, and we begin to question maybe the
Catalyst is right.
Then Saren tells Shepard that " I've studied the
affect of Indoctrination. The more Control Sovereign exerts, The less
capable the subject becomes......Sovereign needs me to find the Conduit.
my mind is still my own for now.The transformation between ally to servant can be unsettling. I will not let that happen to me"

One
the Catalyst needs Shepard to find a NEW Solution, and Shepard's mind
is still our own for now, until you pick Control, and Synthesis. And we
serve the Reapers in Control, and Synthesis because we are not their ally's, but we serve them in the end.

Then Shepard tells Saren "Sovereign is manipulating you, and you don"t even now it"

The Catalyst try's to manipulate both Shepard, and the player, into agreeing with his logic.

then
Saren says " NO Sovereign needs me. If I find the Conduit 
I HAVE BEEN PROMISED TO
BE FREE FROM THE INEVITABLE.THIS IS MY ONLY HOPE"

The Catalyst promises that the cycle will end in all Control, and Synthesis.

Then
after Shepard tells Saren that he is a Specter Saren tells Shepard " my
way is the ONLY WAY any of us will survive. I am forging an alliance
between us and the Reapers between ORGANICS AN MACHINES, and in doing so
I WILL SAVE more LIVES than ever existed.

Now didn't the
Catalyst say that this is the only way we can find peace. Where organics
and machines can live together, and he promises that Shepard will save everyone, by offering his choice.

Also I forgot that Saren say the exact same thing that TIMS says.

Saren" You will undo all that I have accomplished"

TIM:" You will undo all of my work."

in
Video 4 renegade Shepard tells Saren you could have fought. You could
have resisted.Instead you surrendered. You quit. Somkingotter took the
words right out of my mouth,


"I like how ME1 Renegade Shepard outlines the choices you have at the end of ME3

You could have fought: destroy
You could have resisted: control
Instead you surrendered: synthesis
You quit: refuse"

Modifié par masster blaster, 08 août 2012 - 08:47 .

[estebanus]

I can't do it. I just can't. Always after the 7th f*cking page, he's there.Right f*cking beside me.

Modifié par estebanus, 08 août 2012 - 08:32 .

[masster blaster]

okay everyone I edited my grammar/spelling so it should help make more sense to what I am saying.

i will do the first Conversation you have with TIM, in an hour, so it gives me the time to type every thing down.

And byne I got to the point as you asked.

Modifié par masster blaster, 08 août 2012 - 08:46 .

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

I can't do it. I just can't. Always after the 7th f*cking page, he's there.Right f*cking beside me.

'Tis like Rin said: Do things you cant, just because you can.

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I can't do it. I just can't. Always after the 7th f*cking page, he's there.Right f*cking beside me.

'Tis like Rin said: Do things you cant, just because you can.

Doesn't help when I try going away from the page only to see that douche right in front of me. I'm gonna have to try and turn off my flashlight early enough, it seems...

Rin reminds me a lot of myself. It feels almost like I'm dating a female clone of me with no arms. 

Except the drawing bit. I can't paint for sh*t.

Modifié par estebanus, 08 août 2012 - 08:42 .

[Home run MF]

So what you are saying is, the Reapers are tempting you with power or offering you to be the hero.
But those are flawled options because according to the lore in previous instances they led to indoctrination?

Edit: to masster

Modifié par Home run MF, 08 août 2012 - 08:48 .

[masster blaster]

Home run MF wrote...

So what you are saying is, the Reapers are tempting you with power or offering you to be the hero.
But those are flawled options because according to the lore in previous instances they led to indoctrination?

that's the point. the Catalyst is promising Shepard that the cycle will end in Control, and Synthesis, but not Destroy.

And if you pick Synthesis, and Control they are promising false hope, and are just using Shepard to gain what they want.

Thus for IT this makes sense Shepard is in the same postion as Saren and TIM were.

You could have fought: Destroy
You could have resisted: Control
Instead you surrendered: Synthesis
You quit: Refuse

I think if you pick Control you can still fight them, but you could have resisted to help the Reapers/the galaxy, for your own gain.
 But you didn't You gave into the Catalyst lmanipulative words about Control and did it for your own gain, not the galaxys, but Shepard's/the players own gain.

So is Synthesis, and refuse the players/Shepards own gain.

But Destroy is everyones gain.

the Organics, and Synthetics of this cycle want the Reapers dead, only the Indoctrinated organics, and synthetics want the Reapers to live, for their own gain.

TIM" I took what I wanted from them made it my own. Shepard I did this for humanity"
Saren: "my
way is the ONLY WAY any of us will survive. I am forging an alliance
between us and the Reapers between ORGANICS AN MACHINES, and in doing so
I WILL SAVE more LIVES than ever existed."

Modifié par masster blaster, 08 août 2012 - 09:02 .

[TJBartlemus]

 Could someone go over to the WNT thread and start up some discussions? Really at this point discussions are allowed to both IT and WNT. So if interested please comment!! 

PS. Masster that is an interesting way to think about it as well. Good ideas.

http://social.biowar.../index/13474338

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 08 août 2012 - 09:03 .

[MaximizedAction]

New interview with Gamble about Leviathan:

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 08 août 2012 - 09:10 .

[masster blaster]

MaximizedAction wrote...

New interview with Gamble about Leviathan:

To bad we already know what Leviathan is, and well we will just have to see the dlc for our selfs.

Modifié par masster blaster, 08 août 2012 - 09:16 .

[estebanus]

Screw it, I'm going to bed now. I've been terrified enough today. Goodbye.

[TSA_383]

masster blaster wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

New interview with Gamble about Leviathan:

To bad we already know what Leviathan is, and well we will just have to see the dlc for our selfs.

I've not watched the video yet, but honestly I doubt he could tell me anything about Leviathan that I don't already know.

Which is a shame, really...

[masster blaster]

estebanus wrote...

Screw it, I'm going to bed now. I've been terrified enough today. Goodbye.

what did I do?

Was it because of my post above, and the reply I did for Home Run?

Modifié par masster blaster, 08 août 2012 - 09:19 .

[estebanus]

masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Screw it, I'm going to bed now. I've been terrified enough today. Goodbye.

what did I do?

Was it because of my post above, and the reply I did for Home Run?

No, not because of you. Because of Slender.

[The Heretic of Time]

masster blaster wrote...

that's the point. the Catalyst is promising Shepard that the cycle will end in Control, and Synthesis, but not Destroy.

That is not correct. The Catalyst only promises Shepard that the cycle will end in Synthesis, not Control. Of course the Catalyst won't say the cycle will end in Control or Destroy, because it doesn't. 

In Control, Shepard might wish to continue the cycle if he so desires.

In Destroy, new synthetics will be made and the cycle might start all over again.

Only in Synthetis is the cycle ended for sure.

And if you pick Synthesis, and Control they are promising false hope, and are just using Shepard to gain what they want.

And you base this on what exactly? This is just speculation on your part.

Thus for IT this makes sense Shepard is in the same postion as Saren and TIM were.

Not really.

Saren wanted to work with Sovereign to gain power for the turians and secure turian dominance in the galaxy. Only after he got indoctrinated did he start to talk about the "organics + synthetics = stengths of both weaknesses of neither" mumbo-jumbo. Saren didn't even know Sovereign was a reaper when he found him. He believed Sovereign was just a very advanced AI on a very advanced ship.

TIM wanted to study reaper tech because he believed he could use the tech against them. TIM wanted to defeat the Reapers just as badly as Shepard. He genuinely wanted to use the reaper tech against the reapers themselves, to defeat them. But TIM couldn't resist the temptation of the idea to use the reaper tech to secure human dominance in the galaxy. 


Saren didn't know Sovereign was a reaper and when he did he was already indoctrinated.
TIM never spoke with any reaper ever before.
Shepard however did speak with several reapers and is now speaking with their leader, the Catalyst. Big difference if you ask me.

But you didn't You gave into the Catalyst lmanipulative words about Control and did it for your own gain, not the galaxys, but Shepard's/the players own gain.

So is Synthesis, and refuse the players/Shepards own gain.

But Destroy is everyones gain.

Bullcrap.

When Shepard chooses Control, he personally doesn't gain anything, he dies!

When Shepard chooses Synthesis, he personally doesn't gain anything, he dies!

the Organics, and Synthetics of this cycle want the Reapers dead, only the Indoctrinated organics, and synthetics want the Reapers to live, for their own gain.

Not true, as is clearly shown in the quotes you provide yourself. Lets take a look at them.


TIM: "I took what I wanted from them made it my own. Shepard I did this for humanity"

See? TIM did this for humanity, not for himself.


Saren: "my way is the ONLY WAY any of us will survive. I am forging an alliance between us and the Reapers between ORGANICS AN MACHINES, and in doing so I WILL SAVE more LIVES than ever existed."

See? Saren does this to save the lifes of millions, not for himself.

[byne]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Not true, as is clearly shown in the quotes you provide yourself. Lets take a look at them.


TIM: "I took what I wanted from them made it my own. Shepard I did this for humanity"

See? TIM did this for humanity, not for himself.


Saren: "my way is the ONLY WAY any of us will survive. I am forging an alliance between us and the Reapers between ORGANICS AN MACHINES, and in doing so I WILL SAVE more LIVES than ever existed."

See? Saren does this to save the lifes of millions, not for himself.

You'll excuse me if I dont exactly take either of those murderous madmen at their word.

[TJBartlemus]

MaximizedAction wrote...

New interview with Gamble about Leviathan:

Hmmmm....interesting. Notice the portion of video with who I assume is Gavin Archer. What was interesting was the fact that it looked really mute and faded. Plus the famous dream/indoctrination ring was present. 

PS. Seems Hackett knows more that we think as well....

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 08 août 2012 - 09:35 .

[masster blaster]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

that's the point. the Catalyst is promising Shepard that the cycle will end in Control, and Synthesis, but not Destroy.

That is not correct. The Catalyst only promises Shepard that the cycle will end in Synthesis, not Control. Of course the Catalyst won't say the cycle will end in Control or Destroy, because it doesn't. 

In Control, Shepard might wish to continue the cycle if he so desires.

In Destroy, new synthetics will be made and the cycle might start all over again.

Only in Synthetis is the cycle ended for sure.

And if you pick Synthesis, and Control they are promising false hope, and are just using Shepard to gain what they want.

And you base this on what exactly? This is just speculation on your part.

Thus for IT this makes sense Shepard is in the same postion as Saren and TIM were.

Not really.

Saren wanted to work with Sovereign to gain power for the turians and secure turian dominance in the galaxy. Only after he got indoctrinated did he start to talk about the "organics + synthetics = stengths of both weaknesses of neither" mumbo-jumbo. Saren didn't even know Sovereign was a reaper when he found him. He believed Sovereign was just a very advanced AI on a very advanced ship.

TIM wanted to study reaper tech because he believed he could use the tech against them. TIM wanted to defeat the Reapers just as badly as Shepard. He genuinely wanted to use the reaper tech against the reapers themselves, to defeat them. But TIM couldn't resist the temptation of the idea to use the reaper tech to secure human dominance in the galaxy. 


Saren didn't know Sovereign was a reaper and when he did he was already indoctrinated.
TIM never spoke with any reaper ever before.
Shepard however did speak with several reapers and is now speaking with their leader, the Catalyst. Big difference if you ask me.

But you didn't You gave into the Catalyst lmanipulative words about Control and did it for your own gain, not the galaxys, but Shepard's/the players own gain.

So is Synthesis, and refuse the players/Shepards own gain.

But Destroy is everyones gain.

Bullcrap.

When Shepard chooses Control, he personally doesn't gain anything, he dies!

When Shepard chooses Synthesis, he personally doesn't gain anything, he dies!

the Organics, and Synthetics of this cycle want the Reapers dead, only the Indoctrinated organics, and synthetics want the Reapers to live, for their own gain.

Not true, as is clearly shown in the quotes you provide yourself. Lets take a look at them.


TIM: "I took what I wanted from them made it my own. Shepard I did this for humanity"

See? TIM did this for humanity, not for himself.


Saren: "my way is the ONLY WAY any of us will survive. I am forging an alliance between us and the Reapers between ORGANICS AN MACHINES, and in doing so I WILL SAVE more LIVES than ever existed."

See? Saren does this to save the lifes of millions, not for himself.

Um did you read my second post abelow the first post on this pages.

No TIM did it for Power " Do you think power likes this comes easaly.."

Saren was out for himself " The Reaeprs promised my Freedom of Inialation.

And no Control Shepard uses Control to gain what he/she  want. " I will lead an army that no shall oppose."

Personal gain using the Reapers to makes Shepards world a reality.

Synthesis the Reapers gain. And Shepard's because " But there will be peace?"

And no it's to save everyone by combing organics, and sythetics to gether is not Shepard's personal gain to end the cycle ya no.

Destroy is everyones gain. You no that.

[TSA_383]

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Not true, as is clearly shown in the quotes you provide yourself. Lets take a look at them.


TIM: "I took what I wanted from them made it my own. Shepard I did this for humanity"

See? TIM did this for humanity, not for himself.


Saren: "my way is the ONLY WAY any of us will survive. I am forging an alliance between us and the Reapers between ORGANICS AN MACHINES, and in doing so I WILL SAVE more LIVES than ever existed."

See? Saren does this to save the lifes of millions, not for himself.

You'll excuse me if I dont exactly take either of those murderous madmen at their word.

Kind of like how shepard goes for synthesis to "save" everyone 

[masster blaster]

masster blaster wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

that's the point. the Catalyst is promising Shepard that the cycle will end in Control, and Synthesis, but not Destroy.

That is not correct. The Catalyst only promises Shepard that the cycle will end in Synthesis, not Control. Of course the Catalyst won't say the cycle will end in Control or Destroy, because it doesn't. 

In Control, Shepard might wish to continue the cycle if he so desires.

In Destroy, new synthetics will be made and the cycle might start all over again.

Only in Synthetis is the cycle ended for sure.

And if you pick Synthesis, and Control they are promising false hope, and are just using Shepard to gain what they want.

And you base this on what exactly? This is just speculation on your part.

Thus for IT this makes sense Shepard is in the same postion as Saren and TIM were.

Not really.

Saren wanted to work with Sovereign to gain power for the turians and secure turian dominance in the galaxy. Only after he got indoctrinated did he start to talk about the "organics + synthetics = stengths of both weaknesses of neither" mumbo-jumbo. Saren didn't even know Sovereign was a reaper when he found him. He believed Sovereign was just a very advanced AI on a very advanced ship.

TIM wanted to study reaper tech because he believed he could use the tech against them. TIM wanted to defeat the Reapers just as badly as Shepard. He genuinely wanted to use the reaper tech against the reapers themselves, to defeat them. But TIM couldn't resist the temptation of the idea to use the reaper tech to secure human dominance in the galaxy. 


Saren didn't know Sovereign was a reaper and when he did he was already indoctrinated.
TIM never spoke with any reaper ever before.
Shepard however did speak with several reapers and is now speaking with their leader, the Catalyst. Big difference if you ask me.

But you didn't You gave into the Catalyst lmanipulative words about Control and did it for your own gain, not the galaxys, but Shepard's/the players own gain.

So is Synthesis, and refuse the players/Shepards own gain.

But Destroy is everyones gain.

Bullcrap.

When Shepard chooses Control, he personally doesn't gain anything, he dies!

When Shepard chooses Synthesis, he personally doesn't gain anything, he dies!

the Organics, and Synthetics of this cycle want the Reapers dead, only the Indoctrinated organics, and synthetics want the Reapers to live, for their own gain.

Not true, as is clearly shown in the quotes you provide yourself. Lets take a look at them.


TIM: "I took what I wanted from them made it my own. Shepard I did this for humanity"

See? TIM did this for humanity, not for himself.


Saren: "my way is the ONLY WAY any of us will survive. I am forging an alliance between us and the Reapers between ORGANICS AN MACHINES, and in doing so I WILL SAVE more LIVES than ever existed."

See? Saren does this to save the lifes of millions, not for himself.

Um did you read my second post abelow the first post on this pages.

No TIM did it for Power " Do you think power likes this comes easaly.."

Saren was out for himself " The Reaeprs promised my Freedom of Inialation.

And no Control Shepard uses Control to gain what he/she  want. " I will lead an army that no shall oppose."

Personal gain using the Reapers to makes Shepards world a reality.

Synthesis the Reapers gain. And Shepard's because " But there will be peace?"

And no it's to save everyone by combing organics, and sythetics to gether is not Shepard's personal gain to end the cycle ya no.

Destroy is everyones gain. You no that.

Oh and they are INDOCTRINATED. THEY WILL BELIEVE IN WHAT THE REAPERS ARE TELLING THEM.

[The Heretic of Time]

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Not true, as is clearly shown in the quotes you provide yourself. Lets take a look at them.


TIM: "I took what I wanted from them made it my own. Shepard I did this for humanity"

See? TIM did this for humanity, not for himself.


Saren: "my way is the ONLY WAY any of us will survive. I am forging an alliance between us and the Reapers between ORGANICS AN MACHINES, and in doing so I WILL SAVE more LIVES than ever existed."

See? Saren does this to save the lifes of millions, not for himself.

You'll excuse me if I dont exactly take either of those murderous madmen at their word.

And neither do I. Especially not Saren. I would have trusted TIM if he wasn't indoctrinated. I think, based on what I know about him (from the games, comics and novels), that he truly did what he did for the sake of humanity, not just for himself.

I was never against TIM in ME2 anyway. I actually really liked him and his ideas (not all of 'em though).

[masster blaster]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Not true, as is clearly shown in the quotes you provide yourself. Lets take a look at them.


TIM: "I took what I wanted from them made it my own. Shepard I did this for humanity"

See? TIM did this for humanity, not for himself.


Saren: "my way is the ONLY WAY any of us will survive. I am forging an alliance between us and the Reapers between ORGANICS AN MACHINES, and in doing so I WILL SAVE more LIVES than ever existed."

See? Saren does this to save the lifes of millions, not for himself.

You'll excuse me if I dont exactly take either of those murderous madmen at their word.

And neither do I. Especially not Saren. I would have trusted TIM if he wasn't indoctrinated. I think, based on what I know about him (from the games, comics and novels), that he truly did what he did for the sake of humanity, not just for himself.

I was never against TIM in ME2 anyway. I actually really liked him and his ideas (not all of 'em though).

I already said HE THOUGHT HE WAS HELPING HUMANITY, BUT HE WAS BRINGING HUMANITY DOWN .

Think about it. TIM started Cerberus after he touches the REAPER artifact,.

Then later Cerberus is targeting alien colony's, Economic,Military, and corrupting the galaxy.

They
been helping the Reapers all along, and isn't it weird that all of a
sudden Cerberus attacks humanity, and takes the humans away to either
Sanctuary, or the Reapers.

They never attacked human colonies in ME2 because the time was not right yet, until the Reapers came.

Modifié par masster blaster, 08 août 2012 - 09:44 .

[TJBartlemus]

Wait. Just caught this in the video.....Mike said we will be able to see a lot of the enemies from ME2. Wha the wha? The only enemies from ME2 we have in ME3 are the husks. Could there potentially be parts where we are fighting enemies from the past?

[byne]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Wait. Just caught this in the video.....Mike said we will be able to see a lot of the enemies from ME2. Wha the wha? The only enemies from ME2 we have in ME3 are the husks. Could there potentially be parts where we are fighting enemies from the past?

Oh god, I hope that doesnt mean Praetorians. I hate those things.