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masster blaster wrote...

You know when the Catalyst talks about Shepard's hope I never thought that maybe it is a hint.

Paragon Shepard choice Catalyst :You have hope more than you know
Renegade Shepard choice Catalyst:You have hope more than what you deserve


Harbinger: Hope is irrelevant.

Sorry MB, but that's not exactly what it is.

Paragon HIGH EMS: You have hope, more than you know.
Paragon LOW EMS: You have hope, more than you deserve.

Renegade HIGH EMS: You have choice, more than you know.
Renegade LOW EMS: You have choice, more than you deserve.

Any idea what it means though?

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

You know when the Catalyst talks about Shepard's hope I never thought that maybe it is a hint.

Paragon Shepard choice Catalyst :You have hope more than you know
Renegade Shepard choice Catalyst:You have hope more than what you deserve


Harbinger: Hope is irrelevant.

Sorry MB, but that's not exactly what it is.

Paragon LOW EMS: You have hope, more than you know.
Paragon HIGH EMS: You have hope, more than you deserve.

Renegade LOW EMS: You have choice, more than you know.
Renegade HIGH EMS: You have choice, more than you deserve.

Any idea what it means though?


Um Banshee I have high Paragon, and it says" You have hope, more than you know."
Only Renegade form me High renegade says the other line.


Wait with the Ec+ Leviatahn it know says " You have hope more than you think." That is for Paragon Shepard.

www.youtube.com/watch

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

You know when the Catalyst talks about Shepard's hope I never thought that maybe it is a hint.

Paragon Shepard choice Catalyst :You have hope more than you know
Renegade Shepard choice Catalyst:You have hope more than what you deserve


Harbinger: Hope is irrelevant.

Sorry MB, but that's not exactly what it is.

Paragon LOW EMS: You have hope, more than you know.
Paragon HIGH EMS: You have hope, more than you deserve.

Renegade LOW EMS: You have choice, more than you know.
Renegade HIGH EMS: You have choice, more than you deserve.

Any idea what it means though?


You have the EMS requirements backwards.

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masster blaster wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

You know when the Catalyst talks about Shepard's hope I never thought that maybe it is a hint.

Paragon Shepard choice Catalyst :You have hope more than you know
Renegade Shepard choice Catalyst:You have hope more than what you deserve


Harbinger: Hope is irrelevant.

Sorry MB, but that's not exactly what it is.

Paragon HIGH EMS: You have hope, more than you know.
Paragon LOW EMS: You have hope, more than you deserve.

Renegade HIGH EMS: You have choice, more than you know.
Renegade LOW EMS: You have choice, more than you deserve.

Any idea what it means though?


Um Banshee I have high Paragon, and it says" You have hope, more than you know."
Only Renegade form me High renegade says the other line.

I'm not sure you understood what I wrote. By paragon and renegade I mean the dialogue choice in that section; the only dialogue choice without EC. That determines whether Shepard talks about organic life's defining characteristic being either hope, or our ability to make choices.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...
Sorry MB, but that's not exactly what it is.

Paragon LOW EMS: You have hope, more than you know.
Paragon HIGH EMS: You have hope, more than you deserve.

Renegade LOW EMS: You have choice, more than you know.
Renegade HIGH EMS: You have choice, more than you deserve.

Any idea what it means though?

Thats incorrect, I have always chosen the Paragon option and got "You have hope, more than you know" every time, even on my High EMS and Low EMS playthroughs (no synthesis unlocked, squaddies die at beam run). I have never seen that other option.... Maybe when you are a Renegade but choose the Paragon option it says that?

Modifié par 401 Kill, 30 décembre 2012 - 06:25 .


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masster blaster wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

You know when the Catalyst talks about Shepard's hope I never thought that maybe it is a hint.

Paragon Shepard choice Catalyst :You have hope more than you know
Renegade Shepard choice Catalyst:You have hope more than what you deserve


Harbinger: Hope is irrelevant.

Sorry MB, but that's not exactly what it is.

Paragon LOW EMS: You have hope, more than you know.
Paragon HIGH EMS: You have hope, more than you deserve.

Renegade LOW EMS: You have choice, more than you know.
Renegade HIGH EMS: You have choice, more than you deserve.

Any idea what it means though?


Um Banshee I have high Paragon, and it says" You have hope, more than you know."
Only Renegade form me High renegade says the other line.


Wait with the Ec+ Leviatahn it know says " You have hope more than you think." That is for Paragon Shepard.

www.youtube.com/watch



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*cough*genophage*cough*

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byne wrote...

You have the EMS requirements backwards.

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Rifneno wrote...

*cough*genophage*cough*

Oh yeah, I remember you saying that the key is whether or not you cure the genophage. (From the files).

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Control is lust-for-power renegade, and destroy is ruthless renegade.


Yes, this.

Refuse I don't see as paragon destroy. It's like Shepard is paralyzed and suddenly doesn't want to violate any of her principles, yet Shepard didn't refuse to rewrite or destroy the heretic Geth either. It's like taking the neutral opt-out. But it's failShep IMO because you didn't finish the mission. The fact that the next cycle makes it, isn't exactly something to thank Shepard for. And if they did that with the Crucible, then they had to pick a choice that Shepard couldn't. So basically all Shepard did was pass the ball and sacrifice the entire cycle to an inexcusable act of inaction. The real Shepard would understand that she was going to have to do the dirty job, IMO.

How can a soldier, a Commander, and a Council Spectre, refuse to destroy the enemy that threatens the existence of all living beings, all just because she had to sacrifice some people?

No real soldier would do that. Every military officer knows that (s)he needs to be prepared to do these things. A soldier who can't make these calls isn't a soldier anymore, (s)he has turned into a pacifist of sorts.

I think even though you can still see it as renegade, there is nothing non-paragon about destroy; sacrificing the few to save the many is good when the alternatives are worse.

It's fascinating.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 30 décembre 2012 - 06:32 .


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401 Kill wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

*cough*genophage*cough*

Oh yeah, I remember you saying that the key is whether or not you cure the genophage. (From the files).


You know I always wonder, The only squad mate thatdoesn't have a picture for all the endings is Grunt. Why isn't Grunt in Synthesis.Is this a clue that we should look into?

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byne wrote...

You have the EMS requirements backwards.

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Oh yes... :o:O:O

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Well it's apparent that I messed that up heavily. But I have heard these before.

You have hope, more than you think.
You have hope, more than you deserve.
You don't need hope.
You have choice, more than you know.

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Control is lust-for-power renegade, and destroy is ruthless renegade.


Yes, this.

Refuse I don't see as paragon destroy. It's like Shepard is paralyzed and suddenly doesn't want to violate any of her principles, yet Shepard didn't refuse to rewrite or destroy the heretic Geth either. It's like taking the neutral opt-out. But it's failShep IMO because you didn't finish the mission. The fact that the next cycle makes isn't exactly something to thanks Shepard for. And if they did that with the Crucible, then they had to pick a choice that Shepard couldn't. So basically all Shepard did was pass the ball and sacrifice the entire cycle to an inexcusable act of inaction. The real Shepard would understand that she was going to have to do the dirty job, IMO.

How can a soldier, a Commander, and a Council Spectre, refuse to destroy the enemy that threatens the existence of all living beings, all just because she had to sacrifice some people?

No real soldier would do that. Every military officer knows that (s)he needs to be prepared to do these things. A soldier who can't make these calls isn't a soldier anymore, (s)he has turned into a pacifist of sorts.

I think even though you can still see it as renegade, there is nothing non-paragon about destroy; sacrificing the few to save the many is good when the alternatives are worse.

It's fascinating.

It is!

@Rif/401 Wait, the cue for that line is you genophage decision?

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 30 décembre 2012 - 06:34 .


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Well it's apparent that I messed that up heavily. But I have heard these before.

You have hope, more than you think.
You have hope, more than you deserve.
You don't need hope.
You have choice, more than you know.

"Hope. It's the only thing stronger than fear."

If you are going up against an opponent such as the Reapers, I think you'll need all the hope you can get.

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401 Kill wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Well it's apparent that I messed that up heavily. But I have heard these before.

You have hope, more than you think.
You have hope, more than you deserve.
You don't need hope.
You have choice, more than you know.

"Hope. It's the only thing stronger than fear."

If you are going up against an opponent such as the Reapers, I think you'll need all the hope you can get.

Agreed, but the "Catalyst" seems to disagree... HOPE IS IRRELEVANT.

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ME3 lost the GOTY voting. Posted Image


but won the daily news game of the year. The irony is all the games were identical in the list between the two so I say, gamespot I demand a recount!

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You know I always wonder, The only squad mate that doesn't have a picture for all the endings is Grunt. Why isn't Grunt in Synthesis.Is this a clue that we should look into?

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@Rif/401 Wait, the cue for that line is you genophage decision?

I remember him saying something like:
"I was checking the files and the desicion on curing the genophage or not determines if the child is an ass to you."

Some sort of flag was set.

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Hmm, I see the race to 3000 has begun!


i think it started on page 2287 after we realized we passed 2286

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You know I always wonder, The only squad mate that doesn't have a picture for all the endings is Grunt. Why isn't Grunt in Synthesis.Is this a clue that we should look into?

It could be a bug, I mean it's not like they tried super hard with the EC. But if it's not, the only thing I can think of that is relevant is the fact that Grunt is supposed to be the "perfect krogan". Synthesis is supposed to perfect you. I'm sure you can all fill in the blanks.

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Grunt was created on Korlus by the krogan warlord Okeer, who was originally investigating the genophage. However, Okeer gradually became obsessed with his work and realised that surviving the genophage had become the only benchmark for a good krogan, which was weakening the species as a whole. He decided to produce a genetically pure, superior krogan—a super soldier—and poured all his efforts into his experiments, even seeking help from the Collectors. After rejecting thousands of specimens as unworthy, Okeer finally produced his perfect prototype before he died from toxins released by Jedore, a Blue Suns mercenary. Commander Shepard, who had come to Korlus hoping to recruit Okeer, instead, recovered the super soldier's tank and took it aboard the Normandy SR-2.

When Shepard chooses to release the super soldier from his tank, the newly awakened krogan pins Shepard to a wall and declares his intention to kill the Commander, though he desires a name before doing so. He chooses "Grunt", one of the last words in Okeer's final message; he considers it to be short and simple, descriptive of both his training and purpose. Shepard either persuades Grunt to join the mission against the Collectors as it will be a good fight for Grunt, or shoots multiple times to subdue him. If Grunt accepts Shepard's offer, he then realizes that Shepard was pointing a gun at him all along, to which Grunt approves.

acking a krogan upbringing or a sense of honour, Grunt is both violent and highly unpredictable. He often becomes impatient and charges recklessly into the midst of his foes, (unlike more disciplined krogan fighters like Urdnot Wrex) without Shepard's orders. Despite his unpredictable and violent attitude, he is nonetheless considered a great asset to the mission thanks to his unsurpassed physical strength and fighting prowess. Grunt also harbors personal doubt due to his genetic upbringing, considering himself weak for being given strength compared to the thousands of failures that "at least tried" to become strong on their own.

Outside of battle, Grunt often appears naive and particularly enthusiastic about violence and combat in conversations with Shepard. He often seeks guidance from Shepard due to a combination of his youth, lack of krogan guidance and his inexperience about the galaxy, having been educated solely by imprints from Okeer's tank. It takes a while for him to understand the images Okeer used to educate him with, but Grunt soon sees the funny side of killing turians and salarians, and is pleased with himself when he compiles his first list of enemies. Despite his violent nature, he respects Shepard's leadership, partly because Shepard faces great battles and has powerful enemies. If Grunt becomes loyal, he calls Shepard his battlemaster, as the Commander "has no match".

Grunt returns to fight the Reapers, provided he was released from his tank aboard the Normandy and survived the attack of the Collector base. He has since earned the command of Aralakh Company. If Urdnot Wrex is alive, he notes that Aralakh Company is his best unit, and he put Grunt in charge because he exemplifies the bright future of the krogan, something Wrex hopes for his people.

To a lesser extent, he still experiences the stigma of being tank-born, rather than earning strength in the way other krogan feel is true. Nonetheless, his undeniable prowess in battle has earned him the respect of his squad.

He helps Shepard investigate the disappearance of other squads in the tunnels of Utukku, where they discover a new brood of rachni who have been twisted by Reaper technology.

If Shepard chooses to spare the Rachni Queen or artificial queen, Aralakh Company is slaughtered holding off wave after wave of rachni. Grunt personally holds several Ravagers off to cover the Commander's escape. If Grunt wasn't loyal during the assault on the Collector Base, then he will be killed; if he was loyal, he survives and contributes to the war effort.

Shepard has a chance to speak to him on Earth prior to the final battle. Grunt will then thank the Commander for getting him out of the tank.

If Grunt survived and the Genophage was cured, he and Urdnot Wrex (if Wrex survived Virmire) are shown to be welcomed back at Tuchanka, heroes among a horde of cheering krogan.

If Grunt did not survive the events of the Collector attacks, his role is filled by Urdnot Dagg.

From: Grunt

THas a goood fight ShUpurd. You cant hear em but I;ve goht ARLlakh co,rnpany chantin SHEPAR SHEPAR your name you know. as we down some ryNCOL to heal my woundS^&!!( ryCNol!
Whear are yOu?
SHEPERD S HEPAURD SHEPARUD!!!

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

You know I always wonder, The only squad mate that doesn't have a picture for all the endings is Grunt. Why isn't Grunt in Synthesis.Is this a clue that we should look into?

It could be a bug, I mean it's not like they tried super hard with the EC. But if it's not, the only thing I can think of that is relevant is the fact that Grunt is supposed to be the "perfect krogan". Synthesis is supposed to perfect you. I'm sure you can all fill in the blanks.

Hey! It takes a lot of work to make a slideshow! It took me a whole weekend to make a windows movie-maker project with VoiceOver! Wait a minute... It took them months... That can't be right... Somethin' doesn't add up...

I want to know what was going on for those months!!!!

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paxxton wrote...

ME3 lost the GOTY voting. Posted Image


but won the daily news game of the year. The irony is all the games were identical in the list between the two so I say, gamespot I demand a recount!

Considering that FC3 did not have to beat most of the highly-acclaimed games of 2012 (SSX, Dishonored, X-COM, Max Payne 3 or AC3), I would question the validity of that whole voting process.

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401 Kill wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

You know I always wonder, The only squad mate that doesn't have a picture for all the endings is Grunt. Why isn't Grunt in Synthesis.Is this a clue that we should look into?

It could be a bug, I mean it's not like they tried super hard with the EC. But if it's not, the only thing I can think of that is relevant is the fact that Grunt is supposed to be the "perfect krogan". Synthesis is supposed to perfect you. I'm sure you can all fill in the blanks.

Hey! It takes a lot of work to make a slideshow! It took me a whole weekend to make a windows movie-maker project with VoiceOver! Wait a minute... It took them months... That can't be right... Somethin' doesn't add up...

I want to know what was going on for those months!!!!

I guess they were working on Leviathan and Omega. By extension, all other DLC.