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[The Heretic of Time]

masster blaster wrote...

And no Control Shepard uses Control to gain what he/she  want. Personal gain using the Reapers to makes Shepards world a reality.

Again, bullcrap, absolute BULLCRAP. The Catalyst flat-out tells Shepard that he will DIE if he chooses control. 

If Shepard chooses control, he does so for the sake of the galaxy, not for his personal gain.

"I will lead an army that no shall oppose."

That line is from the Shepard AI, not Shepard himself. Shepard himself is DEAD!

Synthesis the Reapers gain. And Shepard's because " But there will be peace?"

Again, absolute horsecrap! Shepard DIES in Synthesis, so it's not for his personal gain.

Whether anything good will come out fo synthesis is debatable, but one thing is for sure, Shepard himself does not gain anything in that ending.

Destroy is everyones gain. You no that.

EVERYONES? You just conveniently forgot about EDI and the geth? Or do they not matter? They're just machines, so who cares about them right?

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 08 août 2012 - 09:45 .

[BlazingZephyr]

MaximizedAction wrote...

New interview with Gamble about Leviathan:

So, no new enemies, judging by his response. And apparently Leviathan can be either an ally of foe. Other than that... stuff we already know for certain.

[Lyria]

For the love of all that is holy, make the giant walls of texts stop. Please? masster blaster is making me wish Arian would post a giant wall of text to counteract act the lackadaisical nature of masster's giant wall of text.

However, masster blaster does make a few good points.

[masster blaster]

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Modifié par masster blaster, 08 août 2012 - 09:48 .

[masster blaster]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

And no Control Shepard uses Control to gain what he/she  want. Personal gain using the Reapers to makes Shepards world a reality.

Again, bullcrap, absolute BULLCRAP. The Catalyst flat-out tells Shepard that he will DIE if he chooses control. 

If Shepard chooses control, he does so for the sake of the galaxy, not for his personal gain.

"I will lead an army that no shall oppose."

That line is from the Shepard AI, not Shepard himself. Shepard himself is DEAD!

Synthesis the Reapers gain. And Shepard's because " But there will be peace?"

Again, absolute horsecrap! Shepard DIES in Synthesis, so it's not for his personal gain.

Whether anything good will come out fo synthesis is debatable, but one thing is for sure, Shepard himself does not gain anything in that ending.

Destroy is everyones gain. You no that.

EVERYONES? You just conveniently forgot about EDI and the geth? Or do they not matter? They're just machines, so who cares about them right?

That is BULLCrap. They were willing to die to save everyone. Don't you EVER say that they are just machines. EDI is willing to die for Shepard, Joker, The Normandy crew and the safty of the Galaxy. The Geth wish their creators to live, and keep the oragnics safe no matter what the cost. They would rather die, and it is their gain, and everyone else to.
Synthesis is not what everyone want's/gain, nor letting the Reapers live in Control.

Modifié par masster blaster, 08 août 2012 - 09:54 .

[Jusseb]

Go get him masster

[Arian Dynas]

Rifneno wrote...

So they released a DLC that costs $2 worth of BW points. But the minimum quantity you can buy BWP in is $10.

... Is there some way I'm not seeing in which this isn't stupid?

From a marketing standpoint, it's brilliant.

From the customer's position.... not so much.

[BlazingZephyr]

masster blaster wrote...

THAT IS BULLCRAP THEY WERE WILLING TO DIE TO SAVE EVERYONE. DON'T YOU EVER SAY THAT THEY ARE JUST MACHINES. EDI IS WILLING TO DIE FOR SHEPARD, JOKER, AND THE NORMANDY CREW, AND THE GALAXYS SAFTY. THE GETH WISH THEIR CREATORS TO LIVE NOT DIE. THEY WOULD RAATHER DIE, AND IT IS THEIR GAIN, AND SHEPARD'S GAIN.

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Masster... you are making a fool of yourself. Nobody takes full caps seriously.

[The Heretic of Time]

masster blaster wrote...

I already said HE THOUGHT HE WAS HELPING HUMANITY, BUT HE WAS BRINGING HUMANITY DOWN .

No, you said TIM did everything he did for his personal gain. Seems that's not true. He did it for humanity as a whole. Whether he was succesful or not is besides the point.

Think about it. TIM started Cerberus after he touches the REAPER artifact,.

No, TIM started Cerberus after he saw how cruel aliens can be. He started Cerberus after he discovered there is an unknown alien race out there that is much bigger and worse than any other alien race: the reapers.

TIM started Cerberus to prepare humanity to fight for survival against any unknown thread that might possibly show up.

Then later Cerberus is targeting alien colony's, Economic,Military, and corrupting the galaxy.

Everything Cerberus did was to strengthen humanity. And for a while, they were succesful.

They been helping the Reapers all along,

Yeah, ressurecting Shepard to destroy the Collectors and seize their base is really helping the Reapers... how exactly?

and isn't it weird that all of a sudden Cerberus attacks humanity, and takes the humans away to either Sanctuary, or the Reapers.

That's because AT THAT POINT Cerberus indeed is indoctrinated. They weren't before.

They never attacked human colonies in ME2 because the time was not right yet, until the Reapers came.

No, they never attacked human colonies in ME2 because they weren't indoctrinated yet. 

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 08 août 2012 - 09:53 .

[Lyria]

masster blaster wrote...

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Behold and be amazed it's  the shortest, most comprehendible post by masster blaster to date.

I kid, I kid.


 

[estebanus]

Quod erat demonstrandum. You lost, Massterblaster. You raised your voice first.

Modifié par estebanus, 08 août 2012 - 09:55 .

[BlazingZephyr]

It makes me feel bad, being an IT supporter, but Hanar has a few good points. You guys' argument is essentially what I was going over last night/this morning. Edit: Cerberus's indoctrination was never clarified: how or when. If it were revealed in ME3 that the Artifact somehow began TIM's Indoctrination process, or explained that he was being indoctrinated somehow while Shep was sitting in jail (not even gonna go into that), Cerberus's antagonization would make a lot more sense.

Modifié par BlazingZephyr, 08 août 2012 - 10:01 .

[The Heretic of Time]

masster blaster wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Destroy is everyones gain. You no that.

EVERYONES? You just conveniently forgot about EDI and the geth? Or do they not matter? They're just machines, so who cares about them right?

That is bullcrap. They were willing to die to save everyone. Don't you EVER say that they are just machines. EDI is willing to die for Shepard, Joker, The Normandy crew and the safty of the Galaxy. The Geth wish their creators to live, and keep the oragnics safe no matter what the cost. They would rather die, and it is their gain, and everyone else to.
Synthesis is not what everyone want's/gain, nor letting the Reapers live in Control.

Willing to die, yes. But how the hell do EDI and the geth gain anything in the destroy ending? That's what you said, Destroy is the gain for everyone.

No, Destroy is not the gain for everyone you MORON! Both EDI and the geth die in Destroy, they do not gain anything! 


Also, with all-caps no one is going to take you seriously.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 08 août 2012 - 09:58 .

[masster blaster]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I already said HE THOUGHT HE WAS HELPING HUMANITY, BUT HE WAS BRINGING HUMANITY DOWN .

No, you said TIM did everything he did for his personal gain. Seems that's not true. He did it for humanity as a whole. Whether he was succesful or not is besides the point.

Think about it. TIM started Cerberus after he touches the REAPER artifact,.

No, TIM started Cerberus after he saw how cruel aliens can be. He started Cerberus after he discovered there is an unknown alien race out there that is much bigger and worse than any other alien race: the reapers.

TIM started Cerberus to prepare humanity to fight for survival against any unknown thread that might possibly show up.

Then later Cerberus is targeting alien colony's, Economic,Military, and corrupting the galaxy.

Everything Cerberus did was to strengthen humanity. And for a while, they were succesful.

They been helping the Reapers all along,

Yeah, ressurecting Shepard to destroy the Collectors and seize their base is really helping the Reapers... how exactly?

and isn't it weird that all of a sudden Cerberus attacks humanity, and takes the humans away to either Sanctuary, or the Reapers.

That's because AT THAT POINT Cerberus indeed is indoctrinated. They weren't before.

They never attacked human colonies in ME2 because the time was not right yet, until the Reapers came.

No, they never attacked human colonies in ME2 because they weren't indoctrinated yet. 

Yes, and now you see it's because the main Cerberus forces, were not implanted with Reaper tech, and there for they are under TIMs Control, and TIM is under the Control of the Reapers. And they have been, but not Indoctrinated. They were targeting the galaxys power, Military stregth/reserch, and politacl powers.

Why don"t you go back to ME1, and ME2 why everyone hates Cerberus, well not everyone, but almost everyone.

[masster blaster]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Destroy is everyones gain. You no that.

EVERYONES? You just conveniently forgot about EDI and the geth? Or do they not matter? They're just machines, so who cares about them right?

That is bullcrap. They were willing to die to save everyone. Don't you EVER say that they are just machines. EDI is willing to die for Shepard, Joker, The Normandy crew and the safty of the Galaxy. The Geth wish their creators to live, and keep the oragnics safe no matter what the cost. They would rather die, and it is their gain, and everyone else to.
Synthesis is not what everyone want's/gain, nor letting the Reapers live in Control.

Willing to die, yes. But how the hell do EDI and the geth gain anything in the destroy ending? That's what you said, Destroy is the gain for everyone.

No, Destroy is not the gain for everyone you MORON! Both EDI and the geth die in Destroy, they do not gain anything! 


Also, with all-caps no one is going to take you seriously.

You forget IT,and if this is not reall, then they didn't die.

And you forget what I said about Synthesis, and Control. You only replyed to Destroy.

Modifié par masster blaster, 08 août 2012 - 10:00 .

[estebanus]

Heretic does have a point.

[The Heretic of Time]

masster blaster wrote...

Why don"t you go back to ME1, and ME2 why everyone hates Cerberus, well not everyone, but almost everyone.

The fact that everyone hates Cerberus in ME1 and ME2 does not prove any of your points.

[estebanus]

masster blaster wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Destroy is everyones gain. You no that.

EVERYONES? You just conveniently forgot about EDI and the geth? Or do they not matter? They're just machines, so who cares about them right?

That is bullcrap. They were willing to die to save everyone. Don't you EVER say that they are just machines. EDI is willing to die for Shepard, Joker, The Normandy crew and the safty of the Galaxy. The Geth wish their creators to live, and keep the oragnics safe no matter what the cost. They would rather die, and it is their gain, and everyone else to.
Synthesis is not what everyone want's/gain, nor letting the Reapers live in Control.

Willing to die, yes. But how the hell do EDI and the geth gain anything in the destroy ending? That's what you said, Destroy is the gain for everyone.

No, Destroy is not the gain for everyone you MORON! Both EDI and the geth die in Destroy, they do not gain anything! 


Also, with all-caps no one is going to take you seriously.

You forget IT,and if this is not reall, then they didn't die.

*facepalm*

So now you're suddenly invoking the IT? That's complete bullsh*t right there. You were just arguing from a literal point of view, now you aren't suddenly?!

Modifié par estebanus, 08 août 2012 - 10:03 .

[Humakt83]

Heretic Hanar, obviously the indoctrinated ambassador who tried to give access to his homeworld for Reapers, right?

[byne]

masster blaster wrote...


You forget IT,and if this is not reall, then they didn't die.

And you forget what I said about Synthesis, and Control. You only replyed to Destroy.

I thought you guys were talking about the literal endings. If you're debating the literalist perspective, you dont get to bring IT into the debate.

I mean, I may be wrong since I'm not actually paying attention, but still.

[masster blaster]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Why don"t you go back to ME1, and ME2 why everyone hates Cerberus, well not everyone, but almost everyone.

The fact that everyone hates Cerberus in ME1 and ME2 does not prove any of your points.

Why did Tali hate Cerberus because they attacked the Quariens ship that's why. Why is TIM doing this " For Humanuty" BS I can say I killed millions of people to declare my love for some girl.

[The Heretic of Time]

masster blaster wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Destroy is everyones gain. You no that.

EVERYONES? You just conveniently forgot about EDI and the geth? Or do they not matter? They're just machines, so who cares about them right?

That is bullcrap. They were willing to die to save everyone. Don't you EVER say that they are just machines. EDI is willing to die for Shepard, Joker, The Normandy crew and the safty of the Galaxy. The Geth wish their creators to live, and keep the oragnics safe no matter what the cost. They would rather die, and it is their gain, and everyone else to.
Synthesis is not what everyone want's/gain, nor letting the Reapers live in Control.

Willing to die, yes. But how the hell do EDI and the geth gain anything in the destroy ending? That's what you said, Destroy is the gain for everyone.

No, Destroy is not the gain for everyone you MORON! Both EDI and the geth die in Destroy, they do not gain anything! 


Also, with all-caps no one is going to take you seriously.

You forget IT,and if this is not reall, then they didn't die.

That still makes your premise that Destroy, as it is presented, is the gain for everyone a FALSE premise.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 08 août 2012 - 10:03 .

[masster blaster]

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Destroy is everyones gain. You no that.

EVERYONES? You just conveniently forgot about EDI and the geth? Or do they not matter? They're just machines, so who cares about them right?

That is bullcrap. They were willing to die to save everyone. Don't you EVER say that they are just machines. EDI is willing to die for Shepard, Joker, The Normandy crew and the safty of the Galaxy. The Geth wish their creators to live, and keep the oragnics safe no matter what the cost. They would rather die, and it is their gain, and everyone else to.
Synthesis is not what everyone want's/gain, nor letting the Reapers live in Control.

Willing to die, yes. But how the hell do EDI and the geth gain anything in the destroy ending? That's what you said, Destroy is the gain for everyone.

No, Destroy is not the gain for everyone you MORON! Both EDI and the geth die in Destroy, they do not gain anything! 


Also, with all-caps no one is going to take you seriously.

You forget IT,and if this is not reall, then they didn't die.

*facepalm*

So now you're suddenly invoking the IT? That's complete bullsh*t right there. You were just arguing from a literal fashion, now you aren't suddenly?!

Fine I won't use IT, and still EDI, and the Geth gain something. They leared the meaning of emotion, and got to show this cycle that not all Syntheics are bad. What they gain, is a future that will allow this cycle to learn about the past cycles mistakes.

[The Heretic of Time]

masster blaster wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Why don"t you go back to ME1, and ME2 why everyone hates Cerberus, well not everyone, but almost everyone.

The fact that everyone hates Cerberus in ME1 and ME2 does not prove any of your points.

Why did Tali hate Cerberus because they attacked the Quariens ship that's why. Why is TIM doing this " For Humanuty" BS I can say I killed millions of people to declare my love for some girl.

And that still doesn't prove any of your previous-made points.

[byne]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Keep telling that to yourself, I'm sure that if you believe in the IT hard enough it will make that haunting feeling of guilt (knowning that you just destroyed an entire allied race and one of your best friends) go away eventually.

If the literal endings are true, I feel no guilt.

EDI and the geth went into this fight knowing what the stakes were. There are losses in war. 

I came into this war to destroy the Reapers. Thats what I'm going to do.

Its like the geth prime in London says: 'There will be no further compromise with the Old Machines.'