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[umadcommander]

masster blaster wrote...

Wait guys we are forgeting something. What gave the Protheans to believe that the Citadel is the Catalyst? I mean ask your self there is no way that the Protheans could have know about the Citadle is the Catalyst. It makes no sense. The only thing they should know it's a trap. Other than that only Illos Protheans should have knowne that the Citadle is a mass relay, and it can shut down all relays.

But for real how could an Organic, or Synthetic races can come up with a conclusion that the Citadle is the Catalyst? Again how. There would be no way in hell that that any cycle races could get the crucible to the Citadle at all.

Also if the Reapers discovered about the crucible, then shouldn't they have knowne what it does, and if they knew that the Citadle is the Catalyst. Then why didn't they tKe the Citadle when they first came into the Milky Galaxy?

vendetta was hacked by TIM, he could just be telling us what TIM wants us to hear

[jojon2se]

paxxton wrote...
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Beware of the sar-chasm -- you might just get what you "wish" for.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

masster blaster wrote...

Wait guys we are forgeting something. What gave the Protheans to believe that the Citadel is the Catalyst? I mean ask your self there is no way that the Protheans could have know about the Citadle is the Catalyst. It makes no sense. The only thing they should know it's a trap. Other than that only Illos Protheans should have knowne that the Citadle is a mass relay, and it can shut down all relays.

But for real how could an Organic, or Synthetic races can come up with a conclusion that the Citadle is the Catalyst? Again how. There would be no way in hell that that any cycle races could get the crucible to the Citadle at all.

Also if the Reapers discovered about the crucible, then shouldn't they have knowne what it does, and if they knew that the Citadle is the Catalyst. Then why didn't they tKe the Citadle when they first came into the Milky Galaxy?

Exactly.

Combine it with the fact that if you save the fake Rahcni Queen the Reapers would quite easily be able to learn about the Crucibles existence since she works on it and Reapers can access the memories of those deep in Indoctrination. They could have found and blown up the Crucible before we even got Krogan feet on Palaven!

Now some would most likely call it bad writing, but fact is that the Crucible as a trap explains all of this.

But as to why they dident take the Citadel immediately I would guess it is because they knew that now that the races of this cycle have complete control of the Citadel they could easily close it on the Reapers leaving thme to hammer the hull uselessly. Instead they waited and tried to take the Citadel through other means, like the Ceberus coup and when they actually get it is most liklely similar to Saren with an Indoctrinated agent infiltrating the control room and preventing it from beeing closed.

[masster blaster]

Sorry let me make it more clearer.

1. If the Protheans that were building the crucible knew about the Citadel being the Catalyst, then how did they come by this information.

2. Why is it that the brat thought that they Destroyed all traces of the Crucible, where as in the past few cycles they gave been building the crucible?

3. How did the past cycles come up with the idea to build a big crcuible, in which they have know clue what it does, and know that the Citadel is the Catalyst?

4. How is it that when the Reapers are about to arrive the Alliance so happens to find blue prints of the crucible?

5. Did the Alliance find the crucible before Shepard went back to Earth, or when Shepard is on Earth. If so then did this all happen after the events of arrival. The bridge gap between ME2, and ME3?

[paxxton]

jojon2se wrote...

paxxton wrote...
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Beware of the sar-chasm -- you might just get what you "wish" for.

What?

[Eryri]

To turn once again to the ending we all love to hate, how genre savvy do you think Bioware assumes Mass Effect fans to be, regarding Synthesis?

Mass Effect is a delicious stew of Star Trek, BSG, Babylon 5 and the Matrix. It even makes playful, and unashamed allusions to those franchises. In the latter case, that includes Joker's kvetching that future generations will regard him as the tool who turned humanity into living batteries back in ME2.

Knowing the huge overlap between the fanbases of these franchises, how could they imagine that the average ME fan could take Synthesis seriously? How can anyone who has watched the Borg Queen, bathed in sickly green light and talking about combining the organic with the synthetic to attain perfection, not have massive, subconcious alarm bells going off in their heads?
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The Borg don't even restrict their assimilation to organics. In the movie Star Trek: First Contact, they capture Data, a purely synthetic android, and graft living skin onto him, because the borg believe that the union of organic and synthetic is greater than the sum of their parts. Sound familiar?

Star trek is also full of plots involving illusions, like the example from the original series mentioned a while back, but there are tons more in the later series - telepathic attacks, holodeck malfunctions, etc, etc. 

Then of course we have the Matrix, the example par excellance of malevolent machines messing with the perceptions of organics. Again with green special effects.



TLDR: As certified nerds, Bioware would have expected us to get these references to forced transhumanism and mind games from other franchises, and thus reject synthesis - particularly with the not-so-subtle clue, of lurid green light representing it.

Modifié par Eryri, 30 décembre 2012 - 04:28 .

[jojon2se]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
...
But as to why they dident
take the Citadel immediately I would guess it is because they knew that
now that the races of this cycle have complete control of the Citadel
they could easily close it on the Reapers leaving thme to hammer the
hull uselessly. Instead they waited and tried to take the Citadel
through other means, like the Ceberus coup and when they actually get it
is most liklely similar to Saren with an Indoctrinated agent
infiltrating the control room and preventing it from beeing closed.

...or they STILL haven't been able to crack the egg open and towed it to Earth, hoping some gullible fool would do it for them...

@Masster:
Here's another random one: Maybe Dr. Eva wasn't there to steal the plans from under our noses, but to plant them.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Carmin_Steele wrote...

I'm not convinced that that VI thing had anything to do with IT, even with your video. I just took it as an actualization of the small bit they had mentioned back in ME2 about the Shepard VI. I wanted to see one then. I still look at it as a carry-over from that plot-thread.

I've said this a few times before...

I think the whole Shepard VI is simply foreshadowing of the Shepard AI in the control ending.

1. The VI doesn't believe the Reapers can be defeated (not even if we all work together) - meaning Shepard is indoctrinated in the control ending.
2. The VI can predict with only 7% accuracy what the real Shepard would say - meaning the Shepard AI in the control ending will never be a 100% accurate replacement for Shepard.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 30 décembre 2012 - 04:52 .

[mrgc]

Ok I'm a bit late but congrats on page 3000!!!

[dorktainian]

something that many have missed imo is the very fact that actually we have evolved as the reapers wanted, using technology they want, until we're ripe for the picking. this would also include information they want us to have...like the crudible, like ftl travel, like the creation of synthetics.

they have controlled everything. everything has happened just as they wanted it to happen imo. the crudible is a trap. it has always been a trap. it always will be a trap. that is its design as an integral part of the citadel. the powercell they require.

i would hope that shep would choose to fight it out rather than any of the 3 endings, but even that choice is not really his own anymore.

[DoomsdayDevice]

This is why refuse is bad:

Lt. Victus: Commander Shepard. My men and I are in your debt. Thank you for saving so many.
Shepard: What happened here?
Soldier: He screwed up!
Lt. Victus: Stand down, soldier.
Soldier: These men are dead because of him!
Lt. Victus: I said: stand down.
Shepard: Hey! I just saved all your asses, so everyone just calm down. Lieutenant, what's going on here?
Lt. Victus: I made a bad call. This is all on me. I chose caution and clever tactics over a head-on attack, and... my men paid the price. (...) We could see on holo that Reaper forces were blocking our intended path--staying on course guaranteed heavy casualties. So I chose a safer route, skirting the enemy, and that took us low and through these ruins. When we encountered resistance, there was no room to maneuver. Suddenly, we were in a fight for our lives. A lot of my men lost that fight.
Shepard: Making hard decisions and dealing with the consequences--that's what being a leader is about.
Lt. Victus: You're right, Commander. Our mission is still a failure. When we've stabilized the injured, we'll head back to the fleet.
Shepard: You're abandoning your mission?
Lt. Victus: We're down over thirty men! It would be suicide.
Shepard: What exactly did you come here to do?
Lt. Victus: There's a bomb on the planet. We were sent to defuse it.
Shepard: A bomb? How big?
Lt. Victus: Enormous. Cerberus has it.
Shepard: Lieutenant, if Cerberus has that bomb, you have to finish your mission.
Lt. Victus: Haven't these men sacrificed enough?
Shepard: Sacrifice is what we sign on for. They know that, and so should you.
Lt. Victus: My men have lost hope, Commander. Even if I wanted to finish the mission, they don't.
Shepard: It's your job to make them want to.
Lt. Victus: How?
Shepard: What's wrong with you? Inspire them! Threaten them! Lieutenant, if Cerberus succeeds, the Reapers divide and conquer us, and then that is on them.
Lt. Victus: Listen up! This isn't about your fears and grievances!
Soldier: Fears? We're only afraid of the next messed up order you give.
Lt. Victus: Irrelevant! Court martial, death and dishonour awaits anyone who balks (*) at his duty. We are Turian! We finish what we came here to do, or we die trying.
(...)
Shepard: Victus, I've given you a second chance. Don't screw this up.


(*) balk [bawk] verb (used without object)

1. to stop, as at an obstacle, and refuse to proceed or to do something specified (usually followed by at  ): He balked at making the speech.

2. (of a horse, mule, etc.) to stop short and stubbornly refuse to go on.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 30 décembre 2012 - 05:41 .

[masster blaster]

Dorktan you left out Destroy. And to be honest none can argue that Destroy is what every non Indoctrinated person wanted.

I mean we have three endings where the Reapers live.

Refuse Reapers live to harvest the next galaxy.
Control Reapers are still controlling the Galaxy.
Synthesis Reapers are now welcomed in the galaxy.

Destroy Reapers are dead.

Honest did the brat ever say why won't you pick Destroy? No he didn't. If you start to go down refuse all the brat says is.

" Impossible you are vastly out numbered." Not only that, but Shepard in high ems is refuseing to Destroy the Reapers now. We have a shot, and now is the time to take it.

That's if you believe the endings are real.However literal or IT Destroy is the right choice. No matter how many times people say " genocid " about Destroy.... Then I say this

The Geth where Indoctrinated, but we killed them any way.
Cerberus troops were civilians taken from their homes, and forced to to fight Shepard/ the galaxy.
The Proto Reaper had organic life right. It was alive with all of those people in it. Did we save them, no. No matter if you save the base or not you killed all of those people so deal with it.
Killing those Salarians on Virmire in Saren's base.
Destroying the Alpha Relay. You could either have tried to save the system, or Destroy it. Either way you failed, so all of those deaths are on you. Hell if you don't do it more people die, so where is saving everyone now.
You could sacrifice the Alliance fleet, or the council. You gave the order. All of those death's are on you.
Etc.

So don't give me talk about genocid.

[dorktainian]

yeah but would you trust the reapers to let you even have a destroy option?

[masster blaster]

Dorktan hell yes. If the Reapers give me a choice to Destroy them, then they are really beyonded stupid. Hell if they did, then that's the worst thing to do because Shepard wakes up.

[spotlessvoid]

dorktainian wrote...

yeah but would you trust the reapers to let you even have a destroy option?

In IT it makes sense as Shepard imposing his will or as a necessary part of the ruse

[401 Kill]

Surprise!

[LadySuspense]

lex0r11 wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

Now i even get overlooked on my "why am i being overlooked?" post...story of my life

If you are talking about adding your name to the list, that should be done.

Out of curiosities sake, how does one get on the list and how can I get on it/already on it, etc?

[401 Kill]

LadySuspense wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

Now i even get overlooked on my "why am i being overlooked?" post...story of my life

If you are talking about adding your name to the list, that should be done.

Out of curiosities sake, how does one get on the list and how can I get on it/already on it, etc?

As far as I know, we can just ask to get on it. 

Next time I see Lex, I've got to ask if I can get on it.

[dorktainian]

so....

destroy....we're all boned.
control.... sheps a reaper...we're all boned.
synthesis. intergalactic huskification... we're all boned.

we apply indoctrination to the endings. what about everything else?

[LadySuspense]

401 Kill wrote...

LadySuspense wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

Now i even get overlooked on my "why am i being overlooked?" post...story of my life

If you are talking about adding your name to the list, that should be done.

Out of curiosities sake, how does one get on the list and how can I get on it/already on it, etc?

As far as I know, we can just ask to get on it. 

Next time I see Lex, I've got to ask if I can get on it.

Thank you 401! How are you today? Any new speculation? Also woohoo on achieving page 3000! I am sad that I missed it but now we can keep on  pushing!

[CmdrShep80]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Behold!

Is this proof of IT?  Is this proof of Shepard's indoctrination?  I'll let you decide.

I got to thinking of the VI's statements, then got to thinking of the codex and suddenly (after a bit of work and rearranging everything) it all fell into place *click click click*

So...The VI Was Right After All...

EDIT - please do comment, I want to know *excited anticipation*

now that there are more people awake shamelessly promotes why the VI is right

[LadySuspense]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Behold!

Is this proof of IT?  Is this proof of Shepard's indoctrination?  I'll let you decide.

I got to thinking of the VI's statements, then got to thinking of the codex and suddenly (after a bit of work and rearranging everything) it all fell into place *click click click*

So...The VI Was Right After All...

EDIT - please do comment, I want to know *excited anticipation*

now that there are more people awake shamelessly promotes why the VI is right

So I watched it twice now. The only thing that I can get from it that means IT to me is the codex and how it really is like Shepard but I must be missing how the VI is so important. I mean they are similar but I can't take it to mean a confirmation.

[DoomsdayDevice]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Behold!

Is this proof of IT?  Is this proof of Shepard's indoctrination?  I'll let you decide.

I got to thinking of the VI's statements, then got to thinking of the codex and suddenly (after a bit of work and rearranging everything) it all fell into place *click click click*

So...The VI Was Right After All...

EDIT - please do comment, I want to know *excited anticipation*

now that there are more people awake shamelessly promotes why the VI is right

I've said this a few times before...

I think the whole Shepard VI is simply foreshadowing of the Shepard AI in the control ending.

1. The VI doesn't believe the Reapers can be defeated (not even if we all work together) - meaning Shepard is indoctrinated in the control ending.

2. The VI can predict with only 7% accuracy what the real Shepard would say - meaning the Shepard AI in the control ending will never be a 100% accurate replacement for Shepard.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 30 décembre 2012 - 06:27 .

[CmdrShep80]

@lady I suppose what I'm trying to get at with the VI is that it's foreshadowing sosomething

edit- darn it had I known I was going to be top I would have said So...The VI Was Right After All...

Guess I can only predict top with 7% accuracy 

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 30 décembre 2012 - 06:45 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

@CmdrShep80: See my post at the bottom of previous page.

(I always get bottom damn it lol)

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 30 décembre 2012 - 06:29 .