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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Hanako Ikezawa

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Finally, other people are here! I've been lonely.
http://ts3.mm.bing.n...351094&pid=15.1


awww!  Posted Image I was here just reading comics in the other room Posted Image

edit- in fact I could tell you a story about the Shepard. Would you like that? ? Posted Image

Oh boy, I love stories!

CmdrShep80 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...
That reminds me of Starbinger.
I recommend fire. Lots of it.

What does?

The boy in the picture LDR posted.

How dare you insult anime me by comparing him to Catalyst!Posted ImagePosted Image
 
By the way, if you saw the show, you'd know fire was a bad idea.Posted Image


are we suggesting darth revan is the catalyst!?

What?! No, I'm not, I swear!

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Rubble Comparison

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Nice comment by someone:

"Hmm...a Reaper-controlled, mostly synthetic Turian being the last enemy that I fight in the game? Where have I done that before....?"

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spotlessvoid wrote...

I think gunslinger has your answer to #5


Did somebody say my name? (just got back from work, catching up past couple pages)

EDIT: Ah Reaper Cable/Rebar. I say it's Reaper Cable solely based on its structure and behavior. Pics are in my sig for a better look.

EDIT2: Of course I could be wrong. But I really don't think I am on this point.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 31 décembre 2012 - 04:21 .


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Again. No chance in hell that the breath scene is not on Earth...ergo IT

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CoolioThane wrote...

Again. No chance in hell that the breath scene is not on Earth...ergo IT


Not necessarily IT, maybe something like it. Definitely something other than what we might have been led to believe in-game.

Odd goings on in that place.

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I have an idea about the location of the Breath Scene. People keep arguing about whether or not it takes place either on Earth or the Citadel, but, and this is just a wild guess, could it possibly take place in a Reaper. The sounds and sights fit, and the rubble could just have been scooped up when the Reapers took Shepard's body with them.

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MassEffectFShep wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Thanks. Did you read the post at the top of this page? It shows that Bioware has done similar things in the past, if you want to see it.


Hadn't read it, but I just read it now. Very cool! Thanks for sharing, Banshee!

You're welcome :)

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Humakt83 wrote...

4. Harbinger never hits Shepard directly. It was always obvious to me that Harbinger wanted to keep Shepard alive at that point.

Whether the whole beam run scene is real is another matter.

Yeah. He doesn't want to hit her directly. He misses 3 times before the last one after and before scoring continuous bullseyes. Megumi pointed it out nicely once, but alas, I can't find it.

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Again. No chance in hell that the breath scene is not on Earth...ergo IT


Not necessarily IT, maybe something like it. Definitely something other than what we might have been led to believe in-game.

Odd goings on in that place.

If it's on Earth and not IT, (to quote Shepard) what else could it be? Posted Image

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I have an idea about the location of the Breath Scene. People keep arguing about whether or not it takes place either on Earth or the Citadel, but, and this is just a wild guess, could it possibly take place in a Reaper. The sounds and sights fit, and the rubble could just have been scooped up when the Reapers took Shepard's body with them.


Possible, with the random amount of "Reaper" tech nearby, but can't know for sure. I'm 99% positive it takes place in London, but mostly due to all the rubble. The cable makes me think it takes place on the Citadel, since that's the ONLY place you see Reaper Cable in the entire ending level (minus the Husk cables, but those are of different make than Reaper-structure-Cables.) But, there's no concrete rubble that matches the grooves on the Citadel at any given time.

There is SOME concrete-like material I found on the Citadel, in the ending level, but it's much smoother/cleaner and the groove patters are completely different.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Again. No chance in hell that the breath scene is not on Earth...ergo IT


Not necessarily IT, maybe something like it. Definitely something other than what we might have been led to believe in-game.

Odd goings on in that place.

If it's on Earth and not IT, (to quote Shepard) what else could it be? Posted Image


Near-death experience (choose this to live and wake up, choose this to keep dying).
A 4th Nightmare sequence.

As per IT:
Harbinger attempting to Indoctrinate Shepard directly. And failing.
TIM attempting to Indoctrinate Shepard directly, and failing.
TIM being used BY the Reapers/Harbinger to " "
"The Catalyst," the real one, indoctrinating Shepard, and failing.
The Beam structure finalizing an Indoctrination attempt, on top of all Shepard has resisted in the trilogy. If The Beam is an indoctrination device, its much bigger than artifacts encountered so far and likely that much stronger.

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KneeTheCap wrote...

Few more questions, as I am both slow and stupid to remember. And that I don't have the guts to go back to ME3 with the current ending..

1. Can you still shoot the gun when it's not held bu Shepard? If so, is there any other cutscene where Shepard isn't holding a weapon and that can be fired?

2. Can we see the injury anywhere before Shepard shoots Anderson? I mean, does he hold his side after the blast? Surely they would show the injury as it seems to have some signifigance.

3. When being woken up by the Catalyst, does Shepard have his/her gun? Can we see him/her lose it? Is it just a game mechanic, as Shepard seems to have the magical ability to conjure up weapons.

4. There is no way for anyone to survive Harbinger's beam, even when it nearly misses. It cuts ships in half, so how the heck s/he didn't die?

5. Is the rebal/cable -debate cleared, or is it still inconclusive?

Thanks for digging that up Spotless.

1. I don't know.

2. I can't remember if Shepard holds that spot before, but it doesn't bleed until after shooting Anderson. Obviously symbolic. But of what? can't be literal. Very compelling.

3. No gun, but has it back when you regain control of Shep.

4. Doesn't hit Shepard. Knocks her/him back just like this. Just like this. Down to the dream music... Shepard even lands on the only object in the dreams!!!

5. As far as I'm concerned Shepard is on Earth. Full stop. But that doesn't stop some people from arguing it.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 31 décembre 2012 - 04:55 .


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I have made my comparison project into a thread: http://social.biowar.../index/15436394

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...



I have made my comparison project into a thread: http://social.biowar.../index/15436394

HOLY IN-DEPTH. Good job though!

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Andromidius wrote...



Nice comment by someone:

"Hmm...a Reaper-controlled, mostly synthetic Turian being the last enemy that I fight in the game? Where have I done that before....?"

Wow. Never thought of it like that before.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...



I have made my comparison project into a thread: http://social.biowar.../index/15436394

HOLY IN-DEPTH. Good job though!

Thank you very much. The funny thing is I never anticipated it being as such, but while taking notes when playing/watching, it became more complex than I imagined.Posted Image

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 31 décembre 2012 - 05:02 .


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CoolioThane wrote...

Again. No chance in hell that the breath scene is not on Earth...ergo IT

yknow, you might be right. Posted Image

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...



I have made my comparison project into a thread: http://social.biowar.../index/15436394

HOLY IN-DEPTH. Good job though!

Thank you very much. The funny thing is I never anticipated it being as such, but while taking notes when playing/watching, it became more complex than I imagined.Posted Image

I've had similar experiences as well. Posted Image

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Andromidius wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I don't see any reason to say they're descendants from a writing perspective, other than to create doubt about what they're saying.


Indeed.  They could have just said "We are the Leviathans, the last of our kind."

Heck, they didn't even mention they were the last.  Which hints there are more out there, hiding somewhere.  The fact you only see one most of the time suggests that as well, you only see two more after you 'convince' them to help you.

Of course, people would point at 'bad writing' dialogue.  Like the Architect in The Matrix Reloaded.  What he's saying is verbous and confusing, but it makes perfect sense - its just designed to overwhelm whoever is listening to it into thinking something else is going on.  Hense why the responce "bull****" rocks him into seeing how things are different this time.  And also that the two choices given are now meaningless, because Neo will pick the option the Architect doesn't want him to for the first time since the 'cycles' began.

Woh.  You know the Matrix is so similar to Mass Effect its not even funny.


It's essentially the same scene Posted Image


Humakt83 wrote...

Illusive Man: "Head to Thessia. Shepard will be there soon and... I want you waiting."

Curious.


Curious indeed.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Illusive Man: "Head to Thessia. Shepard will be there soon and... I want you waiting."

Curious.


Curious indeed.



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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I have an idea about the location of the Breath Scene. People keep arguing about whether or not it takes place either on Earth or the Citadel, but, and this is just a wild guess, could it possibly take place in a Reaper. The sounds and sights fit, and the rubble could just have been scooped up when the Reapers took Shepard's body with them.


Possible, with the random amount of "Reaper" tech nearby, but can't know for sure. I'm 99% positive it takes place in London, but mostly due to all the rubble. The cable makes me think it takes place on the Citadel, since that's the ONLY place you see Reaper Cable in the entire ending level (minus the Husk cables, but those are of different make than Reaper-structure-Cables.) But, there's no concrete rubble that matches the grooves on the Citadel at any given time.

There is SOME concrete-like material I found on the Citadel, in the ending level, but it's much smoother/cleaner and the groove patters are completely different.

That's what I'm saying though. Perhaps Harbinger after knocking Shepard unconcious used some sort of tractor beam to bring Shepard into his hull for whatever reason. The rubble surrounding Shepard was simply sucked up in the process.

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I have an idea about the location of the Breath Scene. People keep arguing about whether or not it takes place either on Earth or the Citadel, but, and this is just a wild guess, could it possibly take place in a Reaper. The sounds and sights fit, and the rubble could just have been scooped up when the Reapers took Shepard's body with them.


Possible, with the random amount of "Reaper" tech nearby, but can't know for sure. I'm 99% positive it takes place in London, but mostly due to all the rubble. The cable makes me think it takes place on the Citadel, since that's the ONLY place you see Reaper Cable in the entire ending level (minus the Husk cables, but those are of different make than Reaper-structure-Cables.) But, there's no concrete rubble that matches the grooves on the Citadel at any given time.

There is SOME concrete-like material I found on the Citadel, in the ending level, but it's much smoother/cleaner and the groove patters are completely different.

That's what I'm saying though. Perhaps Harbinger after knocking Shepard unconcious used some sort of tractor beam to bring Shepard into his hull for whatever reason. The rubble surrounding Shepard was simply sucked up in the process.

Except that would be space magic. Those don't exist in ME.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I have an idea about the location of the Breath Scene. People keep arguing about whether or not it takes place either on Earth or the Citadel, but, and this is just a wild guess, could it possibly take place in a Reaper. The sounds and sights fit, and the rubble could just have been scooped up when the Reapers took Shepard's body with them.


Possible, with the random amount of "Reaper" tech nearby, but can't know for sure. I'm 99% positive it takes place in London, but mostly due to all the rubble. The cable makes me think it takes place on the Citadel, since that's the ONLY place you see Reaper Cable in the entire ending level (minus the Husk cables, but those are of different make than Reaper-structure-Cables.) But, there's no concrete rubble that matches the grooves on the Citadel at any given time.

There is SOME concrete-like material I found on the Citadel, in the ending level, but it's much smoother/cleaner and the groove patters are completely different.

That's what I'm saying though. Perhaps Harbinger after knocking Shepard unconcious used some sort of tractor beam to bring Shepard into his hull for whatever reason. The rubble surrounding Shepard was simply sucked up in the process.

Except that would be space magic. Those don't exist in ME.

Really, can't Harbinger use mass effect drives to make everything around him lighter and direct said objects into his hull? Mass effect drives are able to do those individually so why not cooperatetivly?

Edit: Top

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 31 décembre 2012 - 05:30 .


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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Really, can't Harbinger use mass effect drives to make everything around him lighter and direct said objects into his hull? Mass effect drives are able to do those individually so why not cooperatetivly?

Edit: Top

Well, they would decrease Shepard's mass, but why would that make her fly towards Harby? Wouldn't it be easier to use troops? PRESERVE SHEPARD'S BODY IF POSSIBLE.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 31 décembre 2012 - 05:32 .