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[masster blaster]

But Hanar you still haven't told me why is it that everyone gains in Synthesis, and Control, if the galaxy does not want this.

[estebanus]

Chris Priestly has responded to my message. He says that I'm allowed to do so.

[BlazingZephyr]

What ever happened to civil conversation?

EDIT:

masster blaster wrote...

But Hanar you still haven't told
me why is it that everyone gains in Synthesis, and Control, if the
galaxy does not want this.

You can't really say they "don't want it." More like they "Never asked for this." *Adam Jensen face*

Modifié par BlazingZephyr, 08 août 2012 - 10:22 .

[masster blaster]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Fine I will, but they were willing to give up their lives if need be, and for that I say they have earned a future, for the next generation, and so on.

So you say they have earned a future... but they didn't get a future, because you just blew them up. Logic. 

no they didn't but they have earned the trust of the organics, and for that they have earned a future.

[estebanus]

masster blaster wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Fine I will, but they were willing to give up their lives if need be, and for that I say they have earned a future, for the next generation, and so on.

So you say they have earned a future... but they didn't get a future, because you just blew them up. Logic. 

no they didn't but they have earned the trust of the organics, and for that they have earned a future.

Masster, they're f*cking dead.

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

Chris Priestly has responded to my message. He says that I'm allowed to do so.

Maybe now masster can stop pestering you about it every 20 minutes.

[The Heretic of Time]

byne wrote...

I press destroy knowing that the Reapers are gone forever.

While the EC slideshows seem to show that the Reapers dont betray organics, and suddenly become our BFFs, my Shepard doesnt know that.

She just knows that if she shoots that tube, no one ever has to worry about the Reapers again.

She'll shoot the tube every time.

You don't know that for sure. You might shoot the tube and nothing happens. You really have to trust the Catalyst and take his word for it that any of the 3 options will actually work. And if you trust the Catalyst, than you might also trust that Control will work, or that Synthetis will work.

I chose to give the Catalyst the benefit of the doubt.


With my 1st Shepard, my Renegade Shepard, I chose Destroy, for the same reason you chose Destroy.

With my 2nd Shepard, also a Renegade Shepard, but with a bit of Paragon mixed into it, I chose Control, because why destroying the reapers if you can use them? When I saw the EC version of Control I sort-of fell in love with it. I just loved the EC version of Control so much, that I decided to put it in my sig. 

[masster blaster]

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Fine I will, but they were willing to give up their lives if need be, and for that I say they have earned a future, for the next generation, and so on.

So you say they have earned a future... but they didn't get a future, because you just blew them up. Logic. 

no they didn't but they have earned the trust of the organics, and for that they have earned a future.

Masster, they're f*cking dead.

Sorry I meant for the next generation of synthetics.

[byne]

masster blaster wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Fine I will, but they were willing to give up their lives if need be, and for that I say they have earned a future, for the next generation, and so on.

So you say they have earned a future... but they didn't get a future, because you just blew them up. Logic. 

no they didn't but they have earned the trust of the organics, and for that they have earned a future.

Masster. THEY ARE DEAD. I say this in caps because you dont seem to get it.

Please stop saying they've earned a future.

They are dead in destroy.

They couldnt have any less of a future.

Please drop it.

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Chris Priestly has responded to my message. He says that I'm allowed to do so.

Maybe now masster can stop pestering you about it every 20 minutes.

Yes. At least I now know that if all else fails, we can at least do that.

As long as we don't make money off it, it should be fine, he said.

[Arian Dynas]

smokingotter1 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...
I think it would have been more than harbinger playing the ego if they made the ending like this. I know I remember multiple people saying they felt as if the final confrontation with Anderson and TIM was Shepard's mind in turmoil. Has anyone done a write up on this?

If I recall, Otter had a really in-depth analysis about the Freudian trio. 

That's in Mark II, if I find it I'll link to it. Bioware really needs to improve their search forum function btw.

Please do! I'd very much love to read it.

Basically Shepard is the Ego, the concious portion of the mind. Anderson, being Shepard's father figure and moral compass, is representing his Superego, a part of him not part of his concious mind, which seeks perfection and moral rightness. TIM is supposed to be the Id, the aspect which is lowbrow, primal, animalistic and desirous, which unfortunately does not map too well, though one could argue the Id is ruled by emotion.

Late reply... I doesn't have to map perfectly, I mean Spock/Kirk/McCoy are also seen as a Fruedian trio, but it's not like McCoy is a raving animal....that's right I brought Star Trek back into this thread.

Yes, but it works better in that case.

Bones is raw emotion, another aspect of the Id.

Of course, just a disclaimer, the whole Freudian thing is about as relevant to real psychology these days as phlogiston theory is to physics.

[masster blaster]

FIne I will stop.

[The Heretic of Time]

masster blaster wrote...

But Hanar you still haven't told me why is it that everyone gains in Synthesis, and Control, if the galaxy does not want this.

How do you know the galaxy doesn't want this? The EC epilogue seems to contradict you. The galaxy seems quite happy and content in the Control and Synthesis epilogues actually.

[Arian Dynas]

TSA_383 wrote...

Macross wrote...

The whole biotic Aria thing, well here's another explanation. Firstly, who plays Aria, Carrie Anne Moss of course. Now who is she best known for playing. Trinity from Matrix of course and the dev team did state that the end of the Matrix was a big influence... So this is my reasoning. 

 
COULD SHE GET ANY HOTTER?

Don't **** with Aria.

[byne]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

byne wrote...

I press destroy knowing that the Reapers are gone forever.

While the EC slideshows seem to show that the Reapers dont betray organics, and suddenly become our BFFs, my Shepard doesnt know that.

She just knows that if she shoots that tube, no one ever has to worry about the Reapers again.

She'll shoot the tube every time.

You don't know that for sure. You might shoot the tube and nothing happens. You really have to trust the Catalyst and take his word for it that any of the 3 options will actually work. And if you trust the Catalyst, than you might also trust that Control will work, or that Synthetis will work.

I chose to give the Catalyst the benefit of the doubt.

If I distrust the godchild to the point that I dont think destroy is going to work, then I sure as hell dont trust him enough to pick either of the choices that result in vaporizing me.

If we're talking just the literalist perspective, I dont trust the godchild's intentions, but I trust that what he tells me is what will happen.

He tells me destroy is the worst option. He wants me to pick one of the other two.

He is the leader of the Reapers.

He can go **** himself.

Destroy everytime.

[masster blaster]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

But Hanar you still haven't told me why is it that everyone gains in Synthesis, and Control, if the galaxy does not want this.

How do you know the galaxy doesn't want this? The EC epilogue seems to contradict you. The galaxy seems quite happy and content in the Control and Synthesis epilogues actually.

But are they I can argue, but I wont, because byne asked mt to stop.

Modifié par masster blaster, 08 août 2012 - 10:26 .

[smokingotter1]

Arian Dynas wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...
I think it would have been more than harbinger playing the ego if they made the ending like this. I know I remember multiple people saying they felt as if the final confrontation with Anderson and TIM was Shepard's mind in turmoil. Has anyone done a write up on this?

If I recall, Otter had a really in-depth analysis about the Freudian trio. 

That's in Mark II, if I find it I'll link to it. Bioware really needs to improve their search forum function btw.

Please do! I'd very much love to read it.

Basically Shepard is the Ego, the concious portion of the mind. Anderson, being Shepard's father figure and moral compass, is representing his Superego, a part of him not part of his concious mind, which seeks perfection and moral rightness. TIM is supposed to be the Id, the aspect which is lowbrow, primal, animalistic and desirous, which unfortunately does not map too well, though one could argue the Id is ruled by emotion.

Late reply... I doesn't have to map perfectly, I mean Spock/Kirk/McCoy are also seen as a Fruedian trio, but it's not like McCoy is a raving animal....that's right I brought Star Trek back into this thread.

Yes, but it works better in that case.

Bones is raw emotion, another aspect of the Id.

Of course, just a disclaimer, the whole Freudian thing is about as relevant to real psychology these days as phlogiston theory is to physics.

I know but writers love it and still use it, sure Mac could have used something more relevent to modern psychology but would go over the head of the audience.

[TSA_383]

Arian Dynas wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Macross wrote...

The whole biotic Aria thing, well here's another explanation. Firstly, who plays Aria, Carrie Anne Moss of course. Now who is she best known for playing. Trinity from Matrix of course and the dev team did state that the end of the Matrix was a big influence... So this is my reasoning. 

 
COULD SHE GET ANY HOTTER?

Don't **** with Aria.

[Home run MF]

Arian Dynas wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Macross wrote...

The whole biotic Aria thing, well here's another explanation. Firstly, who plays Aria, Carrie Anne Moss of course. Now who is she best known for playing. Trinity from Matrix of course and the dev team did state that the end of the Matrix was a big influence... So this is my reasoning. 

 
COULD SHE GET ANY HOTTER?

Don't **** with Aria.

I'm so waiting for the Omega DLC <3

[Arian Dynas]

TSA_383 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

protognosis wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

protognosis wrote...

Potassium chloride burns purple.....only thing I can think of.

Ohai Protognosis, long time no see.

Haihai! Yeah. I've lurked more lately than posted. New DLC makes me excited.

Speaking if which, have yall seem that thread with leaked dialogue (alleged) from Leviathan. I'd post a link but my cell is a no good for such things.

T'was likely TSA's thread on the subject. I try not to read that one, as much as I love our beloved chicken, no spoilers for me.

At least, not if I can help it.

So that's why I've not seen any of you in there 
It's actually quite an interesting bit of dialogue - it pretty well confirms my suspicions about what the "catalyst" is and why it does what it does...

(also if the chicken thing was me, I have abandoned el clucko and now have this fancy cat. It even has a speculation monocle)

To me you shall always be a clucker.

[masster blaster]

Hanar, and nor is Destroy. The Catalyst said the cycle will start over, but is it in Destroy? No it's not I don"t see the cycle restarting like it said it would.

[spinachdiaper]

stop the insanity!

[byne]

masster blaster wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

But Hanar you still haven't told me why is it that everyone gains in Synthesis, and Control, if the galaxy does not want this.

How do you know the galaxy doesn't want this? The EC epilogue seems to contradict you. The galaxy seems quite happy and content in the Control and Synthesis epilogues actually.

But are they I can argue, but I wont, because byne asked mt to stop.

As much as I wish you and Hanar would both just stop arguing, I didnt ask you to stop arguing altogether, just to stop saying the geth gain anything by being destroyed.

[Arian Dynas]

jasonh10 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

jasonh10 wrote...

I also found it a little odd that Javik was covered in red blood. Not sure what color prothean blood is, but I'm guessing not human red. From what I saw, though, all the other squad mates in the different variations were covered in red blood, so maybe it isn't their own. Couldn't tell what color it was on Garrus, though.

If his blood's derived from Iron, or some other red element (such as Cadmium) there's no reason at all why his blood should be red.

It's why Mr. Spock's blood is green, it's derived from copper, Iron oxyidizes and turns red, copper turns green. If his blood was derived from say, cobalt, his blood would be blue.

We also figured out at one point how Javik's "homeopathy" likely works. (coulda used a codex entry tho...)

I was just thinking from a simpler mode of thought in that sci-fi aliens usually don't have red blood. I guess that isn't always the case, though. I don't guess ME2 showed any collector blood or anything. Of course, since they were heavily genetically modified, that may have not been good evidence in any case.

Home run MF wrote...

jasonh10 wrote...

I
also found it a little odd that Javik was covered in red blood. Not
sure what color prothean blood is, but I'm guessing not human red. From
what I saw, though, all the other squad mates in the different
variations were covered in red blood, so maybe it isn't their own.
Couldn't tell what color it was on Garrus, though.

Liara's blood in that scene is dark purple/blue

Red blood on blue skin would probably look purple. Sorry if you guys have already been through all this. I don't get on here a lot and the IT threads aren't the easiest to search through with the 4000+ pages and all. What about the beam? Did you guys ever discuss and come to any conclusions on what made Anderson and everybody think they could 'ride' the beam to the Citadel in the first place?

Explains why Liara's skin is blue, if her blood is, her skin should as well. Skin is affected by the color of things beneath it, since it's semitranslucent.

[iggy1eco]

Home run MF wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Macross wrote...

The whole biotic Aria thing, well here's another explanation. Firstly, who plays Aria, Carrie Anne Moss of course. Now who is she best known for playing. Trinity from Matrix of course and the dev team did state that the end of the Matrix was a big influence... So this is my reasoning. 

 
COULD SHE GET ANY HOTTER?

Don't **** with Aria.

I'm so waiting for the Omega DLC <3

The Omega DLC would be cool if they actually could add the enemies that are meant to be there, but unfortunately the same engine becomes overwhelmed. I won't say anything else, unless you ask, because it's in the Novels lol the invasion of Omega I mean.

Modifié par iggy1eco, 08 août 2012 - 10:32 .