Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!
#75926
Posté 01 janvier 2013 - 01:02
#75927
Posté 01 janvier 2013 - 01:03
BansheeOwnage wrote...
401 Kill wrote...
Well I remember plfranke got banned for saying he had troll threads up and a mod was here watching and banned him.
Uh-Oh, I've quoted 4 times, goodbye thread.![]()
I guess this is the end of me too!
If paxxton was never banned back when he actively tried to get quote pyramids as big as possible, I dont see how quote pyramids should ever get anyone banned.
#75928
Posté 01 janvier 2013 - 01:05
Thats not good:(. We hope you get better soon!LadySuspense wrote...
Thanks I kind of passed out. Blah sickness. I need a medigel STAT!. Anyway. It really is interesting how the IT thread has an unnatural lifespan. Not unnatural to fans but due to how easily other threads get cut down. Heh, maybe we are some kind of golden thread that the fate's cannot cut! (Crosses fingers to not get closed down.)
Edit- Top for the second time today!
Considering this thread has had what, millions of views, and been going on for months (the topic) I would not call it a coincidence.
#75929
Posté 01 janvier 2013 - 01:07
They only delay the inevitable.LadySuspense wrote...
Thanks I kind of passed out. Blah sickness. I need a medigel STAT!. Anyway. It really is interesting how the IT thread has an unnatural lifespan. Not unnatural to fans but due to how easily other threads get cut down. Heh, maybe we are some kind of golden thread that the fate's cannot cut! (Crosses fingers to not get closed down.)
Edit- Top for the second time today!
A thread sacrificed, but even now, the literalist civilizations are doomed to fall. Their leaders will beg to serve us.
Kill one thread and 100 will replace it!
Destroying this thread gains you nothing.
This thread does not matter.
Okay enough Harbinger quotes.
Hey, you've been on top enough lately. Mind if I have a turn?
#75930
Posté 01 janvier 2013 - 01:10
Yeah. Good point. Every ME fan has at least heard of IT. I'd say most of them are in the middle. Maybe they think it's cool but isn't true. But they would be more than open if it was! There are only a few who actively hate IT - for reasons beyond our comprehension.401 Kill wrote...
Thats not good:(. We hope you get better soon!LadySuspense wrote...
Thanks I kind of passed out. Blah sickness. I need a medigel STAT!. Anyway. It really is interesting how the IT thread has an unnatural lifespan. Not unnatural to fans but due to how easily other threads get cut down. Heh, maybe we are some kind of golden thread that the fate's cannot cut! (Crosses fingers to not get closed down.)
Edit- Top for the second time today!
Considering this thread has had what, millions of views, and been going on for months (the topic) I would not call it a coincidence.
@Suspense Seconded. Get better soon!
Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 01 janvier 2013 - 01:10 .
#75931
Posté 01 janvier 2013 - 01:10
Short version: Shepard sees a child playing on a rooftop, then the Reapers come. The child has a short amount of time to leave the park on the roof. Later in the level, you can see the same place where the child was at the beginning of the game- except that there is not park there anymore.
Next, the kid would have to travel a very long distance to the near top of another massive building. The child can be seen sitting near the edge of that building, watching a Reaper. As you move closer, he runs through a locked door to get in the building, which is later destroyed by the Reapers. A massive explosion happens in the room where the child is hiding .
When you enter the building, you hold open a stuck door for Anderson. When Anderson goes through, Shepard goes to an air vent with the child in it. The conversation with the child is eerie ("You can't save me."), what child refuses help from a millatary officer? When Anderson aproaches, the child is gone. And a Reaper growl sounds.
At the Evac sight for the child, nobody except Shepard seems to notice him. The child struggles to climb into the shuttle, and nobody even attempts to help him. When the child climbs in, he looks up, directly at Shepard.
After all this, personally, I believe that the child was never real. The child was fake right from the start of the game. I think that the Reapers are using this child to haunt Shepard about his failure to save him. The child also appears in Shepard's dreams, these dreams include lots of Indoctrination codex clues (oily shadows for one), and to top it all off, the "Catalyst" appears as that very child.
Just so we have one piece of speculation. (As if the role of the child was in debate).
#75932
Posté 01 janvier 2013 - 01:11
Thank you 401 and Banshee. IT will never be just a coincidence in my eyes. All it needs is a confirmation on what most of us already know or at least are firmly entertaining.401 Kill wrote...
Thats not good:(. We hope you get better soon!LadySuspense wrote...
Thanks I kind of passed out. Blah sickness. I need a medigel STAT!. Anyway. It really is interesting how the IT thread has an unnatural lifespan. Not unnatural to fans but due to how easily other threads get cut down. Heh, maybe we are some kind of golden thread that the fate's cannot cut! (Crosses fingers to not get closed down.)
Edit- Top for the second time today!
Considering this thread has had what, millions of views, and been going on for months (the topic) I would not call it a coincidence.
Modifié par LadySuspense, 01 janvier 2013 - 01:12 .
#75933
Posté 01 janvier 2013 - 01:14
Rifneno wrote...
Honey badger, not rhinoceros. Anyway, tarantulas at least aren't deadly. Now the Brazilian wandering spider, there's something to be terrified of. Bullet ants, too. Did you know they have a caterpillar over there that can kill you? Even if you get good medical attention?
Oh, the punchline to that spider pic I posted? That's a huntsman spider. They're harmless. Some people even pick them up and put them out in the garden because, as you can imagine, the arachnid answer to the Incredible Hulk has to eat a lot of bugs.
They aren't harmless actually. They just aren't poisonous, bet your bottom dollar they will bite you. But it will only hurt as opposed to geting poisoned and infected.
Modifié par Jade8aby88, 01 janvier 2013 - 01:18 .
#75934
Posté 01 janvier 2013 - 01:15
I personally think it was confirmed the moment Bioware said it was just as valid as the literal interpretation. They have denied so much... Why not this? And Bioware has even encouraged us to keep the speculation up.LadySuspense wrote...
Thank you 401. IT will never be just a coincidence in my eyes. All it needs is a confirmation on what most of us already know or at least are firmly entertaining.401 Kill wrote...
Thats not good:(. We hope you get better soon!LadySuspense wrote...
Thanks I kind of passed out. Blah sickness. I need a medigel STAT!. Anyway. It really is interesting how the IT thread has an unnatural lifespan. Not unnatural to fans but due to how easily other threads get cut down. Heh, maybe we are some kind of golden thread that the fate's cannot cut! (Crosses fingers to not get closed down.)
Edit- Top for the second time today!
Considering this thread has had what, millions of views, and been going on for months (the topic) I would not call it a coincidence.
#75935
Posté 01 janvier 2013 - 01:16
#75936
Posté 01 janvier 2013 - 01:19
Very good info. Fairly consice and to the point too. Going in my document soon.401 Kill wrote...
Bloop.
Short version: Shepard sees a child playing on a rooftop, then the Reapers come. The child has a short amount of time to leave the park on the roof. Later in the level, you can see the same place where the child was at the beginning of the game- except that there is not park there anymore.
Next, the kid would have to travel a very long distance to the near top of another massive building. The child can be seen sitting near the edge of that building, watching a Reaper. As you move closer, he runs through a locked door to get in the building, which is later destroyed by the Reapers. A massive explosion happens in the room where the child is hiding .
When you enter the building, you hold open a stuck door for Anderson. When Anderson goes through, Shepard goes to an air vent with the child in it. The conversation with the child is eerie ("You can't save me."), what child refuses help from a millatary officer? When Anderson aproaches, the child is gone. And a Reaper growl sounds.
At the Evac sight for the child, nobody except Shepard seems to notice him. The child struggles to climb into the shuttle, and nobody even attempts to help him. When the child climbs in, he looks up, directly at Shepard.
After all this, personally, I believe that the child was never real. The child was fake right from the start of the game. I think that the Reapers are using this child to haunt Shepard about his failure to save him. The child also appears in Shepard's dreams, these dreams include lots of Indoctrination codex clues (oily shadows for one), and to top it all off, the "Catalyst" appears as that very child.
Just so we have one piece of speculation. (As if the role of the child was in debate).
Anyway, you are totally right. There is absolutely no way the child could be real after the first time you see him, but I highly doubt he was even real then, because of the disappearance of the park, and the freaking sound effects that the kid's fighter makes. The very first scene in the game shows that the kid is manipulating the audience and whenever something relates to him, deception will ensue. Also note that Anderson doesn't even ask what Shepard was doing or say "Come on we can't slow down." He never saw or heard the kid like everyone else. I wonder why? The Virmire survivor also conveniently leaves before Shepard sees the kid die.
If he was in Shepard's head, how did that happen? Only one logical conclusion.
#75937
Posté 01 janvier 2013 - 01:19
401 Kill wrote...
I personally think it was confirmed the moment Bioware said it was just as valid as the literal interpretation. They have denied so much... Why not this? And Bioware has even encouraged us to keep the speculation up.LadySuspense wrote...
Thank you 401. IT will never be just a coincidence in my eyes. All it needs is a confirmation on what most of us already know or at least are firmly entertaining.401 Kill wrote...
Thats not good:(. We hope you get better soon!LadySuspense wrote...
Thanks I kind of passed out. Blah sickness. I need a medigel STAT!. Anyway. It really is interesting how the IT thread has an unnatural lifespan. Not unnatural to fans but due to how easily other threads get cut down. Heh, maybe we are some kind of golden thread that the fate's cannot cut! (Crosses fingers to not get closed down.)
Edit- Top for the second time today!
Considering this thread has had what, millions of views, and been going on for months (the topic) I would not call it a coincidence.
You know how many people that'd ****** off if they did? That would be bad PR business move.
#75938
Posté 01 janvier 2013 - 01:20
Hey Jade! How's the future?Jade8aby88 wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
Honey badger, not rhinoceros. Anyway, tarantulas at least aren't deadly. Now the Brazilian wandering spider, there's something to be terrified of. Bullet ants, too. Did you know they have a caterpillar over there that can kill you? Even if you get good medical attention?
Oh, the punchline to that spider pic I posted? That's a huntsman spider. They're harmless. Some people even pick them up and put them out in the garden because, as you can imagine, the arachnid answer to the Incredible Hulk has to eat a lot of bugs.
They aren't harmless actually. They just aren't poisonous, bet your bottom dollar they will bite you. But it will only hurt as opposed to geting poisoned and infected.
#75939
Posté 01 janvier 2013 - 01:23
More than if they keep saying nothing, keeping people's hopes up and then say it's wrong? It's just trolling to keep us going like this if it's wrong.Jade8aby88 wrote...
You know how many people that'd ****** off if they did? That would be bad PR business move.
#75940
Posté 01 janvier 2013 - 01:24
#75941
Posté 01 janvier 2013 - 01:26
Jade wrote...
You know how many people that'd ****** off if they did? That would be bad PR business move.
Its also a bad PR move to string people along having them think something better lies ahead, only to realize that no progress was made at all.
#75942
Posté 01 janvier 2013 - 01:28
Exactly. Screwing up is obviously bad PR - but isn't it worse PR to effectively mislead people? It will hurt them in the end.401 Kill wrote...
Jade wrote...
You know how many people that'd ****** off if they did? That would be bad PR business move.
Its also a bad PR move to string people along having them think something better lies ahead, only to realize that no progress was made at all.
spotlessvoid wrote...
I also apologize to anyone else who was offended. Except to those two literalist, this apology doesn't apply to you. You're both still idiots.
Good to have you back Spot.
Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 01 janvier 2013 - 01:30 .
#75943
Posté 01 janvier 2013 - 01:32
BansheeOwnage wrote...
spotlessvoid wrote...
I also apologize to anyone else who was offended. Except to those two literalist, this apology doesn't apply to you. You're both still idiots.
Good to have you back Spot.Though I don't know who they were.
I think one was that CosmicGnosis guy.
#75944
Posté 01 janvier 2013 - 01:36
#75945
Posté 01 janvier 2013 - 01:37
#75946
Posté 01 janvier 2013 - 01:37
Just talking about the kid being fake, and bad PR moves.umadcommander wrote...
just got back from a really awkward party, whats going on here?
#75947
Posté 01 janvier 2013 - 01:39
@LadySuspense Yes they do
Modifié par umadcommander, 01 janvier 2013 - 01:40 .
#75948
Posté 01 janvier 2013 - 01:41
Modifié par LadySuspense, 01 janvier 2013 - 01:44 .
#75949
Posté 01 janvier 2013 - 01:43
Exactly. There is no way around Shepard being indoctrinated (present tense). I really don't know how people can forget this. I guess instead of trying a little harder seeing something in a way that makes sense, they have to see thew negative in everything, even if there is no negative. I'll post something similar soon.LadySuspense wrote...
Another piece of evidence that should at least lead people to wrinkle an eyebrow, Shepard was close to a reaper artifact (bloom thing I can't remember it's official purpose, well rather than indoctrination) and they think that it didn't cause any kind of indoctrination. Well Rayna that worked with Saren didn't even show any symptoms until thee (two years and some odd months,) And that is documented in the mail you receive in game not speculation even. Not to mention the people that were indoctrinated when on the derelict reaper. That wasn't even functioning! So yeah Shep is indoctrinated! He/she isn't immune to indoctrination. Nothing is. There more speculation.
And thank you for letting me be on top this time. I'm sure you could use the break anyway.
Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 01 janvier 2013 - 01:44 .
#75950
Posté 01 janvier 2013 - 01:45
love this by the way, the reaper horns are awesome




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