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[GethPrimeMKII]

Is it bad that I want my house guests to leave so I can get back to skyrim?

[CoolioThane]

Learn to find the good and move on. It's only a video game after all.

[BansheeOwnage]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Is it bad that I want my house guests to leave so I can get back to skyrim?

Ha you sound like Jade. I don't know... is it bad to be honest?

[CoolioThane]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Is it bad that I want my house guests to leave so I can get back to skyrim?

I'm the same haha! Whenever I got made to host a party when my parents were out, I'd spend the whole time going "Tomorrow morning I can play some ME2" or something

[umadcommander]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Is it bad that I want my house guests to leave so I can get back to skyrim?

no, skyrim is a good enough reson imo:lol:

[Fur28]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Is it bad that I want my house guests to leave so I can get back to skyrim?

Ha you sound like Jade. I don't know... is it bad to be honest?

it isn´t bad wanting that, they´re the mean ones for not leaving

[Jadebaby]

byne wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

But what I'm getting at is.. Where would you turn your gaze to afterwards? Would you adopt another theory, or just accept the crappy ending? Because I know a lot of you have said that if the IT wasn't true, then these endings are the worst endings in the history of gaming.

If IT was false, and they flat out denied it, I'd just accept the fact that Bioware ****ed up the endings royally, and move on.

Because if meant to be taken literally, the endings are nothing short of abominations that completely miss everything good about the series and try far too hard to be thought provoking and artsy instead of actually being good.

I agree, but because of how bad it is, I don't think I could move on that easily. I'd definitely go out with a bang. Mass Effect deserves better, Shepard deserves better.

CoolioThane wrote...

Learn to find the good and move on. It's only a video game after all.

Is it though?

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Is it bad that I want my house guests to leave so I can get back to skyrim?

Got Skyrim on the PC about a week ago, spent the whole time modding it to hell and back. Having serious withdrawals being away from my PC now..

[Andromidius]

byne wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

But what I'm getting at is.. Where would you turn your gaze to afterwards? Would you adopt another theory, or just accept the crappy ending? Because I know a lot of you have said that if the IT wasn't true, then these endings are the worst endings in the history of gaming.

If IT was false, and they flat out denied it, I'd just accept the fact that Bioware ****ed up the endings royally, and move on.

Because if meant to be taken literally, the endings are nothing short of abominations that completely miss everything good about the series and try far too hard to be thought provoking and artsy instead of actually being good.

If IT (or a similar equivilent plot twist) is false, then:

1/ Bioware made a terrible ending
2/ Bioware failed at writing a coherent plot leading up to the ending
3/ Bioware fails to understand what PTSD is, despite being lead by people trained in psychology
4/ Bioware fails at symbolism
5/ Bioware fails at understanding what 'closure' means
6/ Bioware fails at seeing they made a mistake, and discretely adopting an idea by someone else to cover their asses

Considering previous games have shown they know how to do all these things (bar 6), and can pull off epic plot twists, and are mostly still the same people they were while doing that...

So all in all, I think its next to impossible.  I could accept one or two of those things, but all of them?  No.

Modifié par Andromidius, 01 janvier 2013 - 02:20 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Learn to find the good and move on. It's only a video game after all.

Is it though?

That's a good point. I think if we spend this much time on it, it obviously mean more than that to us. I don't think I've ever been so emotionally invested - in anything!

And again, you're right. I would probably go out with a bang.

[spotlessvoid]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Jade wrote...

You know how many people that'd ****** off if they did? That would be bad PR business move.

Its also a bad PR move to string people along having them think something better lies ahead, only to realize that no progress was made at all.

Exactly. Screwing up is obviously bad PR - but isn't it worse PR to effectively mislead people? It will hurt them in the end.

No, actually. Because simply saying it's a valid theory doesn't mean it's correct, which means they aren't leading anyone along at all. Plus, if they just say "yea it's a valid theory" then they'll probably be hoping that if it doesn't ocme true, enough time would have passed that people wont be as upset if nothing happens.

Agreed. What I do mind potentially misleading is the refusal of any developer to comment on the possibility of IT/Ending DLC. If they have another idea then I'll judge that independently. If it's something they're still debating but ultimately pass up then that will require some pretty open dialogue to explain. If there are no plans, it's going to ****** off a lot of people. That plus all the people who still hate/dislike the ending and that's going to really hurt them in the long run. Also, "validating" literal with the EC while leaving IT(or something along those lines) hanging isn't going over well. Bioware may have played along to quiet the storm, but it's themselves who will pay the heaviest price in the end. Many aren't willing to leave it open to interpretation because in a way it's not. It's either IT (or something similar) or it's horrible horrible writing. Literal really is that bad, for every reason. If they wanted to leave it open to debatethen literal had to be even a tiny bit plausible. As it is, it cannot withstand the tiniest bit of scrutiny, and in many ways fails even at functioning as a vehicle to indoctrinate the player. Too many were so infuriated that they refused to even consider any alternate meaning. Which means the ending is to some degree a failure in all interpretations. Trying to make a player base enthusiastic about more content from a fundamentally narrative driven series that butchered the most important part of the narrative is still going to be a tough sell. Bioware badly needs to fix this mess, time is only going to do so much.

[CoolioThane]

Well Jade, it kinda is just a videogame. Time heals old wounds etc. I mean, it's not like a comic series where you might get reminded every issue how much you hated this certain event, as ME4 will not be out for years by which time most of us, if IT is false (Which it isn't) will have gotten over it

[umadcommander]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Learn to find the good and move on. It's only a video game after all.

Is it though?

That's a good point. I think if we spend this much time on it, it obviously mean more than that to us. I don't think I've ever been so emotionally invested - in anything!

And again, you're right. I would probably go out with a bang.

i would be interested to see what rif would do, he isnt renowned for his subtlety even now 

[Andromidius]

If we have to accept the ending as literal, it is actually the worst ending of all time for me.

The literal ending is worse then the writing and plot of Twilight and Fifty Shades of Grey. Both of those are awful excuses for literature. But they have one redeeming feature - they are obviously poorly written, and float purely on hype and fandumb. Mass Effect has been well written in every other regard (maybe not perfect - but damn close, and for Sci-Fi its a masterpiece), so an ending that bad is completely inexcusable.

Of course, considering all we know, we know the ending isn't literal. Even if IT isn't true, the literal ending isn't either. Its 100% impossible for an ending to be like that in a series like this. It would be like if Thomas the Tank Engine ended with a terrorist bomb that killed the Fat Controller.

[BansheeOwnage]

spotlessvoid wrote...
Agreed. What I do mind potentially misleading is the refusal of any developer to comment on the possibility of IT/Ending DLC. If they have another idea then I'll judge that independently. If it's something they're still debating but ultimately pass up then that will require some pretty open dialogue to explain. If there are no plans, it's going to ****** off a lot of people. That plus all the people who still hate/dislike the ending and that's going to really hurt them in the long run. Also, "validating" literal with the EC while leaving IT(or something along those lines) hanging isn't going over well. Bioware may have played along to quiet the storm, but it's themselves who will pay the heaviest price in the end. Many aren't willing to leave it open to interpretation because in a way it's not. It's either IT (or something similar) or it's horrible horrible writing. Literal really is that bad, for every reason. If they wanted to leave it open to debatethen literal had to be even a tiny bit plausible. As it is, it cannot withstand the tiniest bit of scrutiny, and in many ways fails even at functioning as a vehicle to indoctrinate the player. Too many were so infuriated that they refused to even consider any alternate meaning. Which means the ending is to some degree a failure in all interpretations. Trying to make a player base enthusiastic about more content from a fundamentally narrative driven series that butchered the most important part of the narrative is still going to be a tough sell. Bioware badly needs to fix this mess, time is only going to do so much.

I have to agree with all of this. Why can't things be simple?

@umad Agreed.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 01 janvier 2013 - 02:26 .

[umadcommander]

Andromidius wrote...

If we have to accept the ending as literal, it is actually the worst ending of all time for me.

The literal ending is worse then the writing and plot of Twilight and Fifty Shades of Grey. Both of those are awful excuses for literature. But they have one redeeming feature - they are obviously poorly written, and float purely on hype and fandumb. Mass Effect has been well written in every other regard (maybe not perfect - but damn close, and for Sci-Fi its a masterpiece), so an ending that bad is completely inexcusable.

Of course, considering all we know, we know the ending isn't literal. Even if IT isn't true, the literal ending isn't either. Its 100% impossible for an ending to be like that in a series like this. It would be like if Thomas the Tank Engine ended with a terrorist bomb that killed the Fat Controller.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[automatic man]

I've tried to read through a good portion of this, but is there anyone that will just believe that destroy with breath scene is Shepard waking up in London after successfully avoiding being Indoctrinated and Leaving open in there head if BW decides not to acknowledge IT?

[LadySuspense]

automatic man wrote...

I've tried to read through a good portion of this, but is there anyone that will just believe that destroy with breath scene is Shepard waking up in London after successfully avoiding being Indoctrinated and Leaving open in there head if BW decides not to acknowledge IT?

I'm hoping at least.

[BansheeOwnage]

automatic man wrote...

I've tried to read through a good portion of this, but is there anyone that will just believe that destroy with breath scene is Shepard waking up in London after successfully avoiding being Indoctrinated and Leaving open in there head if BW decides not to acknowledge IT?

If you are asking if we will use it as headcanon if it is either never confirmed, or denied, then yes. It's almost 100% certain to be in London, doesn't that almost 100% prove IT?

[Andromidius]

automatic man wrote...

I've tried to read through a good portion of this, but is there anyone that will just believe that destroy with breath scene is Shepard waking up in London after successfully avoiding being Indoctrinated and Leaving open in there head if BW decides not to acknowledge IT?

Well most of us accept that is the case.  If Bioware refuses to comment, and ME4 is a prequel...  Well, I probably won't be buying it.  That's all I can say.

But that is what the ending is.  Blatantly.

[umadcommander]

well now i really need some sleep, happy new year again everybody

[Jadebaby]

CoolioThane wrote...

Well Jade, it kinda is just a videogame. Time heals old wounds etc. I mean, it's not like a comic series where you might get reminded every issue how much you hated this certain event, as ME4 will not be out for years by which time most of us, if IT is false (Which it isn't) will have gotten over it

But that can be compared to every gaming review or gaming award ME3 gets. You can be reminded by every time you see or hear Mass Effect 3 anywhere. Time doesn't heal all wounds.

Look at Star Wars, people *still* hate on the prequels.. It's been like ten years!

[GethPrimeMKII]

I'm experimenting with an stealth assassin that dabbles a little in conjuration. Its worked out surprisingly well. Enemies who spot me can expect to contend with atronachs or exploding familiars while I disappear from sight and attack with a deadly backstab.

This allows me to get the jump on enemies in situations where sneaking is not immediately possible.

Modifié par GethPrimeMKII, 01 janvier 2013 - 02:35 .

[spotlessvoid]

That was funny Andromidius

To make my stance clear, it's not even about boycotting future MassEffect content if the endings are left as is. It's about having no desire to get burned again, because I'm only buying used after reassurance from friends that the content is worth getting invested in. If that means waiting on a whole trilogy than so be it.

[Andromidius]

spotlessvoid wrote...

That was funny Andromidius

To make my stance clear, it's not even about boycotting future MassEffect content if the endings are left as is. It's about having no desire to get burned again, because I'm only buying used after reassurance from friends that the content is worth getting invested in. If that means waiting on a whole trilogy than so be it.

Pretty much this.  Its not maliciousness that would stop me buying a prequel, it would be lack of interest/desire to not be disappointed.

Unless its set during Prothean times.  Then I might consider it.  But certainly no preordering.

[Jadebaby]

automatic man wrote...

I've tried to read through a good portion of this, but is there anyone that will just believe that destroy with breath scene is Shepard waking up in London after successfully avoiding being Indoctrinated and Leaving open in there head if BW decides not to acknowledge IT?

No, if there is no reveal (ergo never confirmed or denied) then Occam's Razor suggests the literal version would be the correct one. And a ME4 set years and years in the future to undermind anything that happened in the endings would just be further proof of this.

That would be terrible.