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[BansheeOwnage]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Well Jade, it kinda is just a videogame. Time heals old wounds etc. I mean, it's not like a comic series where you might get reminded every issue how much you hated this certain event, as ME4 will not be out for years by which time most of us, if IT is false (Which it isn't) will have gotten over it

But that can be compared to every gaming review or gaming award ME3 gets. You can be reminded by every time you see or hear Mass Effect 3 anywhere. Time doesn't heal all wounds.

Look at Star Wars, people *still* hate on the prequels.. It's been like ten years!

Yeah, I mean as it is, I see ME in everything. Every story, even real life. It's cool, but kind of annoying at the same time. If IT turns out to be wrong I can't help but wonder if that will continue? I know I would be reminded a lot.

[automatic man]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

automatic man wrote...

I've tried to read through a good portion of this, but is there anyone that will just believe that destroy with breath scene is Shepard waking up in London after successfully avoiding being Indoctrinated and Leaving open in there head if BW decides not to acknowledge IT?

If you are asking if we will use it as headcanon if it is either never confirmed, or denied, then yes. It's almost 100% certain to be in London, doesn't that almost 100% prove IT?

Yeah that's exactly what I was asking. I can't help but feel that maybe that was thrown in to appease the IT fans and use that as our ending. After reading most of this and all the other info and videos out there I strongly believe it to be IT. I just hope for my sake and everyone else that believes it that BW does something right with this ending.

[BansheeOwnage]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

automatic man wrote...

I've tried to read through a good portion of this, but is there anyone that will just believe that destroy with breath scene is Shepard waking up in London after successfully avoiding being Indoctrinated and Leaving open in there head if BW decides not to acknowledge IT?

No, if there is no reveal (ergo never confirmed or denied) then Occam's Razor suggests the literal version would be the correct one. And a ME4 set years and years in the future to undermind anything that happened in the endings would just be further proof of this.

That would be terrible.

Occam's Razor doesn't apply to literature. Besides, the way I see it literal view has you make many more assumptions about what's happening than IT, so it says IT is true anyway.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 01 janvier 2013 - 02:41 .

[Andromidius]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

automatic man wrote...

I've tried to read through a good portion of this, but is there anyone that will just believe that destroy with breath scene is Shepard waking up in London after successfully avoiding being Indoctrinated and Leaving open in there head if BW decides not to acknowledge IT?

No, if there is no reveal (ergo never confirmed or denied) then Occam's Razor suggests the literal version would be the correct one. And a ME4 set years and years in the future to undermind anything that happened in the endings would just be further proof of this.

That would be terrible.

No!  Bad Jade!  Bad!

Besides, even if Occam's Razor could be applied to literature then the 'literal' ending wouldn't be the conclusion anyway.  Breath scene alone destroys it. 

[Andromidius]

automatic man wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

automatic man wrote...

I've tried to read through a good portion of this, but is there anyone that will just believe that destroy with breath scene is Shepard waking up in London after successfully avoiding being Indoctrinated and Leaving open in there head if BW decides not to acknowledge IT?

If you are asking if we will use it as headcanon if it is either never confirmed, or denied, then yes. It's almost 100% certain to be in London, doesn't that almost 100% prove IT?

Yeah that's exactly what I was asking. I can't help but feel that maybe that was thrown in to appease the IT fans and use that as our ending. After reading most of this and all the other info and videos out there I strongly believe it to be IT. I just hope for my sake and everyone else that believes it that BW does something right with this ending.

Considering the Breath Scene was in the game already, I doubt they put it in there for us.  There was no 'us' when they made it.

Besides, remember Halo 3 had a breath scene?  Where did that lead...?

[BansheeOwnage]

Andromidius wrote...

automatic man wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

automatic man wrote...

I've tried to read through a good portion of this, but is there anyone that will just believe that destroy with breath scene is Shepard waking up in London after successfully avoiding being Indoctrinated and Leaving open in there head if BW decides not to acknowledge IT?

If you are asking if we will use it as headcanon if it is either never confirmed, or denied, then yes. It's almost 100% certain to be in London, doesn't that almost 100% prove IT?

Yeah that's exactly what I was asking. I can't help but feel that maybe that was thrown in to appease the IT fans and use that as our ending. After reading most of this and all the other info and videos out there I strongly believe it to be IT. I just hope for my sake and everyone else that believes it that BW does something right with this ending.

Considering the Breath Scene was in the game already, I doubt they put it in there for us.  There was no 'us' when they made it.

Besides, remember Halo 3 had a breath scene?  Where did that lead...?

Very good point. An entire new trilogy will be made because of that breath scene...

[CoolioThane]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Well Jade, it kinda is just a videogame. Time heals old wounds etc. I mean, it's not like a comic series where you might get reminded every issue how much you hated this certain event, as ME4 will not be out for years by which time most of us, if IT is false (Which it isn't) will have gotten over it

But that can be compared to every gaming review or gaming award ME3 gets. You can be reminded by every time you see or hear Mass Effect 3 anywhere. Time doesn't heal all wounds.

Look at Star Wars, people *still* hate on the prequels.. It's been like ten years!

You can't really compare Star Wars to Mass Effect in this situation. Three of the most spectacular, groundbreaking films from the 60s or whenever then sullied by the ****test piles of **** 30-40 years later is a bit different from the ending of ME3 being very ****e.

[MaximizedAction]

Just rewatched Acavyos' vid for the sake of old times. And boy were those some awesome months back then.

And watching it with the terrible confusion gone and all the negativity having rather died down on the internet (even BSN tbh), IT feels obvious.

And even if I have entertained the thought, even if only for a little, that the Reapers might be some galactic saviors of organics and synthetics, I'm gonna feel ashamed when the final DLC is released. How could I have ever even thought of trusting the Reapers? But at least I can be proud of having chosen Destroy intuitively. ^^

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 01 janvier 2013 - 02:46 .

[Andromidius]

CoolioThane wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Well Jade, it kinda is just a videogame. Time heals old wounds etc. I mean, it's not like a comic series where you might get reminded every issue how much you hated this certain event, as ME4 will not be out for years by which time most of us, if IT is false (Which it isn't) will have gotten over it

But that can be compared to every gaming review or gaming award ME3 gets. You can be reminded by every time you see or hear Mass Effect 3 anywhere. Time doesn't heal all wounds.

Look at Star Wars, people *still* hate on the prequels.. It's been like ten years!

You can't really compare Star Wars to Mass Effect in this situation. Three of the most spectacular, groundbreaking films from the 60s or whenever then sullied by the ****test piles of **** 30-40 years later is a bit different from the ending of ME3 being very ****e.

*cough* Late 70's and early 80's *cough*

But yeah, the prequels are pretty awful.  I have no idea what Lucas was thinking with them.  Its like he forgot his demographic is actually older now, and he was trying to appeal to the kids.  Which he still failed at, since Jar Jar is annoying and the plot is essentially "young kid has boner for cougar, breaks all the rules to have her, goes ape**** over nothing and kills everyone".

[BansheeOwnage]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Just rewatched Acavyos' vid for the sake of old times. And boy were those some awesome months back then.

And watching it with the terrible confusion gone and all the negativity having rather died down on the internet (even BSN tbh), IT feels obvious.

And even if I have entertained the thought, even if only for a little, that the Reapers might be some galactic saviors of organics and synthetics, I'm gonna feel ashamed when the final DLC is released. How could I have ever even thought of trusting the Reapers? But at least I can be proud of having chosen Destroy intuitively. ^^

Yeah, me too. And nice hat.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 01 janvier 2013 - 02:48 .

[Andromidius]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Just rewatched Acavyos' vid for the sake of old times. And boy were those some awesome months back then.

Still a great video, even if he now believes its untrue (though he still likes it - just doesn't think Bioware intended it).  Which is odd, but oh well.  Still a good video.

[Jadebaby]

70's and 80's.. But I don't think it's as different as you think, sure the time gap isn't as long (in fact it's rEAl short) but a lot of people considered ME this generations Star Wars, I know I did for a time. Pre-ME3.

Also, I don't like how much the IT rides on the breath scene. A lot of people know that indoctrination was a validd thought even before seeing that. People speculated it about the kid in the demo. So I get kind of frustrated whenever people point to the breath scene as IT's most compelling evidence, because I don't think it is.

[byne]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

70's and 80's.. But I don't think it's as different as you think, sure the time gap isn't as long (in fact it's rEAl short) but a lot of people considered ME this generations Star Wars, I know I did for a time. Pre-ME3.

Also, I don't like how much the IT rides on the breath scene. A lot of people know that indoctrination was a validd thought even before seeing that. People speculated it about the kid in the demo. So I get kind of frustrated whenever people point to the breath scene as IT's most compelling evidence, because I don't think it is.

People point to the breath scene because, if the endings are literal, theres no way to explain it.

[Humakt83]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Also, I don't like how much the IT rides on the breath scene. A lot of people know that indoctrination was a validd thought even before seeing that. People speculated it about the kid in the demo. So I get kind of frustrated whenever people point to the breath scene as IT's most compelling evidence, because I don't think it is.

Of course it isn't. Three dreams are the most compelling evidence.

[automatic man]

Andromidius wrote...

automatic man wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

automatic man wrote...

I've tried to read through a good portion of this, but is there anyone that will just believe that destroy with breath scene is Shepard waking up in London after successfully avoiding being Indoctrinated and Leaving open in there head if BW decides not to acknowledge IT?

If you are asking if we will use it as headcanon if it is either never confirmed, or denied, then yes. It's almost 100% certain to be in London, doesn't that almost 100% prove IT?

Yeah that's exactly what I was asking. I can't help but feel that maybe that was thrown in to appease the IT fans and use that as our ending. After reading most of this and all the other info and videos out there I strongly believe it to be IT. I just hope for my sake and everyone else that believes it that BW does something right with this ending.

Considering the Breath Scene was in the game already, I doubt they put it in there for us.  There was no 'us' when they made it.

Besides, remember Halo 3 had a breath scene?  Where did that lead...?

Yeah I know what you mean with that and the Halo thing. I guess what I meant was maybe and it's a huge maybe that they inentionally put that in there that way they have the endings that they intended and there is the possibility of IT just to have it thrown in to have fans drool over I guess

[LadySuspense]

Sadly I didn't think anything bad until after the whole ending thing. I choose Synthesis. Please don't stone me. I was looking at it from a nondisecting heat of the moment literalist point of view which I have since revoked.

[Andromidius]

I sort of get why it can be frustrating using the same piece of evidence over and over again. But its a hammerblow, figuratively speaking. Its very blunt and obvious, and many people wouldn't be remotely interested in more subtle evidence that requires thinking. And many people even reject that, which just blows my mind.

Yes, I went there.

If you look at more subtle things, its clear Shepard is suffering from indoctrination signals even without the ending going so crazy. The breath scene is like the giant gunshot wound in the victim's chest, with a big note that says exactly who did it. Its painfully obvious.

[BansheeOwnage]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

70's and 80's.. But I don't think it's as different as you think, sure the time gap isn't as long (in fact it's rEAl short) but a lot of people considered ME this generations Star Wars, I know I did for a time. Pre-ME3.

Also, I don't like how much the IT rides on the breath scene. A lot of people know that indoctrination was a validd thought even before seeing that. People speculated it about the kid in the demo. So I get kind of frustrated whenever people point to the breath scene as IT's most compelling evidence, because I don't think it is.

I think most of us agree. There are much better pieces of evidence. But the breath scene is a good one.

[BansheeOwnage]

LadySuspense wrote...

Sadly I didn't think anything bad until after the whole ending thing. I choose Synthesis. Please don't stone me. I was looking at it from a nondisecting heat of the moment literalist point of view which I have since revoked.

Don't worry, not everone here chose destroy the first time through. I never considered control (I mean I just convinced TIM to kill himself because of it!!!) and I wasn't sure about synthesis. I was like Shepard going "I... don't know."

I ended up choosing destroy though, and it felt right.

[Humakt83]

LadySuspense wrote...

Sadly I didn't think anything bad until after the whole ending thing. I choose Synthesis. Please don't stone me. I was looking at it from a nondisecting heat of the moment literalist point of view which I have since revoked.

I chose synthesis too but I was curious what would happen. I remembered the human-hybrid Reaper and the processing of the Reapers in ME 2. Synthesis sounded a lot like it. So I wanted to see what this rather likely trap would look like.

That and I forget what choice was the destroy. Maybe because I had played ME 3 practically nonstop and was tired. And yeah, the ending was confusing.

I think ME 3 has one of the best endings ever. The visuals, the artwork, the conversations, the mystery. Too bad people expected something more ordinary.

Modifié par Humakt83, 01 janvier 2013 - 03:09 .

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

70's and 80's.. But I don't think it's as different as you think, sure the time gap isn't as long (in fact it's rEAl short) but a lot of people considered ME this generations Star Wars, I know I did for a time. Pre-ME3.

Also, I don't like how much the IT rides on the breath scene. A lot of people know that indoctrination was a validd thought even before seeing that. People speculated it about the kid in the demo. So I get kind of frustrated whenever people point to the breath scene as IT's most compelling evidence, because I don't think it is.

I think most of us agree. There are much better pieces of evidence. But the breath scene is a good one.

I think one of the more interesting bits of evidence is godchild looking like the kid. Mostly because it clearly shows that the catalyst has access to Shepard's mind, and it does so in a way even literalists cannot deny.

[Dr_Extrem]

byne wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

70's and 80's.. But I don't think it's as different as you think, sure the time gap isn't as long (in fact it's rEAl short) but a lot of people considered ME this generations Star Wars, I know I did for a time. Pre-ME3.

Also, I don't like how much the IT rides on the breath scene. A lot of people know that indoctrination was a validd thought even before seeing that. People speculated it about the kid in the demo. So I get kind of frustrated whenever people point to the breath scene as IT's most compelling evidence, because I don't think it is.

People point to the breath scene because, if the endings are literal, theres no way to explain it.

sure .. the crucible was intact enough to target synthetic life only - ais.

the geth, edi and the reapers were killed. shepard is only part synthetic - implants, who have only a supporting role. shepard can survive without them - maybe not for long but enough for the scene.

shepard just wakes up on the citadel.

the epilogue is not in chronological order. at least not the slides. showing shepards breath before the memorial scene, would be anticlimactic. everybody would know, why the li does not put the plate on the wall, if they would have seen the breathe scene before. the breathe scene is shown (in the ec), to explain the lis behaviour.


the scene can be explained and makes sense - even without IT

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

LadySuspense wrote...

Sadly I didn't think anything bad until after the whole ending thing. I choose Synthesis. Please don't stone me. I was looking at it from a nondisecting heat of the moment literalist point of view which I have since revoked.

Don't worry, not everone here chose destroy the first time through. I never considered control (I mean I just convinced TIM to kill himself because of it!!!) and I wasn't sure about synthesis. I was like Shepard going "I... don't know."

I ended up choosing destroy though, and it felt right.

Sadly, we'll never know which ending I would have chosen naturally, since before I got to the end, someone told me destroy was the only one where Shepard lived, so that sort of influenced my decision.

I'd like to think I'd have picked destroy anyways, though.

[spotlessvoid]

I don't think Bioware can find enough Nigerian voice actors to make a Prothean cycle ME game.

Plus, you know what happens, it's a hopeless scenario.

Also, the core of Mass Effect games is player agency. Getting a player to care that much about a non human character is tough. The only non humans I'd want as the main character are from this cycle. I don't want to play earlier in this cycle. I know all the important stuff. No seriously galaxy impacting decisions to be made. And if they are doing a sequel than the endings can't stand as they are. It's going to anger some that their respective choice has unpleasant consequences in a reveal, but choosing a canon makes that final decision without consequence. And that is simply unacceptable.

[BansheeOwnage]

Humakt83 wrote...

LadySuspense wrote...

Sadly I didn't think anything bad until after the whole ending thing. I choose Synthesis. Please don't stone me. I was looking at it from a nondisecting heat of the moment literalist point of view which I have since revoked.

I chose synthesis too but I was curious what would happen. I remembered the human-hybrid Reaper and the processing of the Reapers in ME 2. Synthesis sounded a lot like it. So I wanted to see what this rather likely trap would look like.

That and I forget what choice was the destroy. Maybe because I had played ME 3 practically nonstop and was tired.

I honestly think BW may have counted on that. To be exhausted, just like Shep.