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[byne]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

byne wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

70's and 80's.. But I don't think it's as different as you think, sure the time gap isn't as long (in fact it's rEAl short) but a lot of people considered ME this generations Star Wars, I know I did for a time. Pre-ME3.

Also, I don't like how much the IT rides on the breath scene. A lot of people know that indoctrination was a validd thought even before seeing that. People speculated it about the kid in the demo. So I get kind of frustrated whenever people point to the breath scene as IT's most compelling evidence, because I don't think it is.

People point to the breath scene because, if the endings are literal, theres no way to explain it.

sure .. the crucible was intact enough to target synthetic life only - ais.

the geth, edi and the reapers were killed. shepard is only part synthetic - implants, who have only a supporting role. shepard can survive without them - maybe not for long but enough for the scene.

shepard just wakes up on the citadel.

the epilogue is not in chronological order. at least not the slides. showing shepards breath before the memorial scene, would be anticlimactic. everybody would know, why the li does not put the plate on the wall, if they would have seen the breathe scene before. the breathe scene is shown (in the ec), to explain the lis behaviour.


the scene can be explained and makes sense - even without IT

Nowhere on the Citadel is there concrete. The Citadel was destroyed. Shepard was at the epicenter of the gigantic explosion, already badly wounded. Shepard somehow survived.

That cant be explained literally in a way that makes any sense.

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

I think one of the more interesting bits of evidence is godchild looking like the kid. Mostly because it clearly shows that the catalyst has access to Shepard's mind, and it does so in a way even literalists cannot deny.

Right, that was the thing I was going to bring up. Even Bioware said it was taken from Shepard's memories...

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 01 janvier 2013 - 03:06 .

[Dr_Extrem]

Humakt83 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Also, I don't like how much the IT rides on the breath scene. A lot of people know that indoctrination was a validd thought even before seeing that. People speculated it about the kid in the demo. So I get kind of frustrated whenever people point to the breath scene as IT's most compelling evidence, because I don't think it is.

Of course it isn't. Three dreams are the most compelling evidence.

mhmm .. if the dreams are showing that indoctrination is already affecting shepard, then the conversations and behaviour of vendetta dont make sense anymore.

prothean vis can detect even traces of indoctrination.

[Andromidius]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

byne wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

70's and 80's.. But I don't think it's as different as you think, sure the time gap isn't as long (in fact it's rEAl short) but a lot of people considered ME this generations Star Wars, I know I did for a time. Pre-ME3.

Also, I don't like how much the IT rides on the breath scene. A lot of people know that indoctrination was a validd thought even before seeing that. People speculated it about the kid in the demo. So I get kind of frustrated whenever people point to the breath scene as IT's most compelling evidence, because I don't think it is.

People point to the breath scene because, if the endings are literal, theres no way to explain it.

sure .. the crucible was intact enough to target synthetic life only - ais.

the geth, edi and the reapers were killed. shepard is only part synthetic - implants, who have only a supporting role. shepard can survive without them - maybe not for long but enough for the scene.

shepard just wakes up on the citadel.

the epilogue is not in chronological order. at least not the slides. showing shepards breath before the memorial scene, would be anticlimactic. everybody would know, why the li does not put the plate on the wall, if they would have seen the breathe scene before. the breathe scene is shown (in the ec), to explain the lis behaviour.


the scene can be explained and makes sense - even without IT

Even if Shepard has no Synthetic parts the explosion would still kill him/her instantly.  So no.  Sorry.  You're wrong.

And that's not the Citadel.  That's like showing a field of green grass and telling me its a desert.  So again, sorry.  You're wrong.

[spotlessvoid]

Humakt83 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Also, I don't like how much the IT rides on the breath scene. A lot of people know that indoctrination was a validd thought even before seeing that. People speculated it about the kid in the demo. So I get kind of frustrated whenever people point to the breath scene as IT's most compelling evidence, because I don't think it is.

Of course it isn't. Three dreams are the most compelling evidence.

The dreams are practically an indoctrination checklist

[byne]

spotlessvoid wrote...

I don't think Bioware can find enough Nigerian voice actors to make a Prothean cycle ME game.

Because all protheans sound the same.

You humans are all racist.

[Andromidius]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Also, I don't like how much the IT rides on the breath scene. A lot of people know that indoctrination was a validd thought even before seeing that. People speculated it about the kid in the demo. So I get kind of frustrated whenever people point to the breath scene as IT's most compelling evidence, because I don't think it is.

Of course it isn't. Three dreams are the most compelling evidence.

mhmm .. if the dreams are showing that indoctrination is already affecting shepard, then the conversations and behaviour of vendetta dont make sense anymore.

prothean vis can detect even traces of indoctrination.

Could you stop repeating the same old debunked rubbish please?

Prothean VI's can't detect early signs of indoctrination, and sometimes can't even detect fully indoctrinated people.  Otherwise how would Prothean society have been infilitrated by Indoctrinated agents?

Don't bother answering by the way.

[byne]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

mhmm .. if the dreams are showing that indoctrination is already affecting shepard, then the conversations and behaviour of vendetta dont make sense anymore.

prothean vis can detect even traces of indoctrination.

Yeah, whatever you say.



Lets also not forget that the second time you talk to Vendetta, he only talks with you because his security protocols were overwritten, meaning for some reason, they would have otherwise prevented him from doing so.

I wonder why...

[BansheeOwnage]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

sure .. the crucible was intact enough to target synthetic life only - ais.

the geth, edi and the reapers were killed. shepard is only part synthetic - implants, who have only a supporting role. shepard can survive without them - maybe not for long but enough for the scene.

shepard just wakes up on the citadel.

the epilogue is not in chronological order. at least not the slides. showing shepards breath before the memorial scene, would be anticlimactic. everybody would know, why the li does not put the plate on the wall, if they would have seen the breathe scene before. the breathe scene is shown (in the ec), to explain the lis behaviour.


the scene can be explained and makes sense - even without IT

I was going to make a long post about this, but screw it!

[masster blaster]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Also, I don't like how much the IT rides on the breath scene. A lot of people know that indoctrination was a validd thought even before seeing that. People speculated it about the kid in the demo. So I get kind of frustrated whenever people point to the breath scene as IT's most compelling evidence, because I don't think it is.

Of course it isn't. Three dreams are the most compelling evidence.

mhmm .. if the dreams are showing that indoctrination is already affecting shepard, then the conversations and behaviour of vendetta dont make sense anymore.

prothean vis can detect even traces of indoctrination.

This again.

If that were the case, then the Protheans should have not lost the war, oh wait they did, by Indoctrinated Protheans with in that wanted to Control the Reapers.


Wait that sounds very similar to Cerberus.


Wow :ph34r::ph34r::ph34r:

Modifié par masster blaster, 01 janvier 2013 - 03:16 .

[CoolioThane]

****, that'a BRILLIANT point byne. I'd never clicked it together that Vendetta only talks to you after the overrides let him! Of course! If you weren't being indoctrinated it wouldn't need to say "overrides active" or whatever to talk to you.

I'm happy now

[spotlessvoid]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Also, I don't like how much the IT rides on the breath scene. A lot of people know that indoctrination was a validd thought even before seeing that. People speculated it about the kid in the demo. So I get kind of frustrated whenever people point to the breath scene as IT's most compelling evidence, because I don't think it is.

Of course it isn't. Three dreams are the most compelling evidence.

mhmm .. if the dreams are showing that indoctrination is already affecting shepard, then the conversations and behaviour of vendetta dont make sense anymore.

prothean vis can detect even traces of indoctrination.

First, Shepard isn't already indoctrinated. He's still resisting. The more Reapers force a subject, the more that subject mentally degrades, losing it's usefulness. Shepard is the ultimate prize, and the Reapers aren't going to throw that away by just breaking Shepard.


Also, the Protheans were sabotaged from within by an indoctrinated splinter group wanting to use the crucible to control the Reapers. Sound familiar. Anyways, obviously Prothean ability to detect indoctrination is far from perfected.

[masster blaster]

CoolioThane wrote...

****, that'a BRILLIANT point byne. I'd never clicked it together that Vendetta only talks to you after the overrides let him! Of course! If you weren't being indoctrinated it wouldn't need to say "overrides active" or whatever to talk to you.

I'm happy now

Not only that, but if Javik is with you, he says nothing about the VI's hacked systems. Very intreseting. You would think he would not trust it after it told Shepard it was hacked.

[Humakt83]

byne wrote...

Lets also not forget that the second time you talk to Vendetta, he only talks with you because his security protocols were overwritten, meaning for some reason, they would have otherwise prevented him from doing so.

I wonder why...

I also wonder why Illusive Man commanded Kai Leng to wait at Thessia for Commander Shepard.

Does he really need Shepard to believe that much?

Ah, the Crucible, why the solution to all the questions still eludes.

Modifié par Humakt83, 01 janvier 2013 - 03:21 .

[masster blaster]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Also, I don't like how much the IT rides on the breath scene. A lot of people know that indoctrination was a validd thought even before seeing that. People speculated it about the kid in the demo. So I get kind of frustrated whenever people point to the breath scene as IT's most compelling evidence, because I don't think it is.

Of course it isn't. Three dreams are the most compelling evidence.

mhmm .. if the dreams are showing that indoctrination is already affecting shepard, then the conversations and behaviour of vendetta dont make sense anymore.

prothean vis can detect even traces of indoctrination.

First, Shepard isn't already indoctrinated. He's still resisting. The more Reapers force a subject, the more that subject mentally degrades, losing it's usefulness. Shepard is the ultimate prize, and the Reapers aren't going to throw that away by just breaking Shepard.


Also, the Protheans were sabotaged from within by an indoctrinated splinter group wanting to use the crucible to control the Reapers. Sound familiar. Anyways, obviously Prothean ability to detect indoctrination is far from perfected.

And which Reaper is alone with Shepard at the end. Ya it's not like he tried to Indoctrinate Shepard before if you did this dlc in ME2.

[spotlessvoid]

byne wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

I don't think Bioware can find enough Nigerian voice actors to make a Prothean cycle ME game.

Because all protheans sound the same.

You humans are all racist.

I'll head for the airlock

[GethPrimeMKII]

Where in the game does TIM instruct Leng to wait for Shepard on Thessia?

[masster blaster]

Humakt83 wrote...

byne wrote...

Lets also not forget that the second time you talk to Vendetta, he only talks with you because his security protocols were overwritten, meaning for some reason, they would have otherwise prevented him from doing so.

I wonder why...

I also wonder why Illusive Man commanded Kai Leng to wait at Thessia for Commander Shepard.

Does he really need Shepard to believe that much?

TIM had to have known about the Prothean beacon. If he told Kai Leng to
wait for Shepard, then it would make no sense. I mean you would think
TIM would want Kai Leng to get the Vi right away, unless the beacon is
of Reaper origin.

It's possible the Reapers could have created a beacon. What is to say it's Prothean.

Was
it not to believe in ME1, that the Citadel was built by the Protheans,
the replays, technology, etc. No Reaper created it all.

[BansheeOwnage]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Where in the game does TIM instruct Leng to wait for Shepard on Thessia?

Terminal on Chronos.

@MB Yes. Harbinger says "Your mind will be mine" and is also the reaper on the beam run. Hmm...

[masster blaster]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Where in the game does TIM instruct Leng to wait for Shepard on Thessia?

while we are about done making peace with the Geth, and the Quarians. Or meeting the Asari councilor.

[BansheeOwnage]

masster blaster wrote...

TIM had to have known about the Prothean beacon. If he told Kai Leng to
wait for Shepard, then it would make no sense. I mean you would think
TIM would want Kai Leng to get the Vi right away, unless the beacon is
of Reaper origin.

It's possible the Reapers could have created a beacon. What is to say it's Prothean.

Leng couldn't have used the beacon. He doesn't have the cipher and he isn't prothean. But I think Vendetta may be a plant.

[masster blaster]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

TIM had to have known about the Prothean beacon. If he told Kai Leng to
wait for Shepard, then it would make no sense. I mean you would think
TIM would want Kai Leng to get the Vi right away, unless the beacon is
of Reaper origin.

It's possible the Reapers could have created a beacon. What is to say it's Prothean.

Leng couldn't have used the beacon. He doesn't have the cipher and he isn't prothean. But I think Vendetta may be a plant.

Maybe, but it makes you wonder.
This is TIM we are talking about. Who is working for the Reapers. I am sure they could create a cipher.

Modifié par masster blaster, 01 janvier 2013 - 03:30 .

[Humakt83]

masster blaster wrote...

TIM had to have known about the Prothean beacon. If he told Kai Leng to
wait for Shepard, then it would make no sense. I mean you would think
TIM would want Kai Leng to get the Vi right away, unless the beacon is
of Reaper origin.

It's possible the Reapers could have created a beacon. What is to say it's Prothean.

Yes, the whole facade could be the Reapers' contingency plan, just like the Crucible being a trap or a goal. Commander Shepard is an anomaly according to Leviathans, pity we never learned why. But we do know that the Reapers want Shepard dead or alive.

Or Cerberus didn't simply know how to activate the beacon. Though how they would know their inability to activate the beacon beforehand is not revealed.

BansheeOwnage wrote...
@MB Yes. Harbinger says "Your mind will be mine" and is also the reaper on the beam run. Hmm... 

Object Rho says that. A being of light if there ever was one.

Modifié par Humakt83, 01 janvier 2013 - 03:39 .

[CmdrShep80]

LadySuspense wrote...

Well then. New question. What memories does everyone hold dearly of Mass Effect? What moment made the series so great to you? What made the experience?

believe it or not it was landing on amaranthine

EDIT 2 - Happy New Page 3043!!!!!!!!! 

Edit - added pic:

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 01 janvier 2013 - 03:48 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Humakt83 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
@MB Yes. Harbinger says "Your mind will be mine" and is also the reaper on the beam run. Hmm... 

Object Rho says that. A being of light if there ever was one.

You realize Harbinger is speaking through Object Rho right? Or perhaps through indoctrination?

Wake up thread! Actually take your time. Eating dinner now.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 01 janvier 2013 - 03:55 .