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[Hanako Ikezawa]

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Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 01 janvier 2013 - 05:35 .

[spotlessvoid]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

I'm going to begin by conditionally apologizing to Revan. I generally try to be civil, and I certainly don't dislike you, but what you were doing was spamming, intentional or not, and I think Lex did a good job of explaining to you why it isn't appropriate, regardless of others reactions to it. Still, I shouldn't have gone off to that extent, but I was exasperated at my previous pleas being blithely ignored and lost my temper. I appreciate your decision to stop posting anime pictures, hopefully you won't hold a grudge because I'm not going to. I also apologize to anyone else who was offended. Except to those two literalist, this apology doesn't apply to you. You're both still idiots.

Do not worry, I hold no ill will towards you and you were right. I was being stubborn but the straight out fight last night about it to show that I was unintentionally trolling (posting things that get others angry) which snapped me out of that. While I cannot promise that I will never post one ever again, I will make sure it applies to the discussion (such as if we're talking about warfare I will bring up my Riza Hawkeye poster "War doesn't prove who's right--only who is left") or on very special occasions like Mother's Day (Those days everyone here tends to be offtopic anyway so it won't cause any harm). Other than situations like those, they will not be shown. 

Non Mass Effect related pictures should be avoided at all costs. Which includes not using a meme about war whenever the topic is brought up, especially when it trivializes the various reasons people go to war. You think that phrase means anything to someone defending their home from foreign aggression? I would ask yourself one question: Who's benefit are the anime pictures for? Why continue at all when you know a large number of people can't stand it and it provides zero benefit to the thread? If I knew something off topic irritated, even angered, people, I'd stop all together. What don't you understand about others not liking you using anime memes in the IT thread? There are unspoken rules in society, sometimes they should be broken, and sometimes they should be respected out of courtesy to the group. You know anime is one of the most polarizing things out there, glad you like it, many hate it. Just let it go man. It doesn't belong here. Not on holidays, not as a meme to make a point, not at all. Honestly, you pushed it way too far and should refrain from posting anymore. You had an opportunity to keep it to rare occasions, instead you flooded the thread with it. So just stop altogether Revan.

[byne]

LDS, could you please stop posting anime? All it ever does is ****** people off because apparently cartoons become bad if drawn in Japan.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

byne wrote...

LDS, could you please stop posting anime? All it ever does is ****** people off because apparently cartoons become bad if drawn in Japan.

Don't worry, I agreed to stop unless it's for very special occasions or is relevent to discussions. I only posted the above because it's a special occasion, but I took it down.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 01 janvier 2013 - 05:31 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

spotlessvoid wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

I'm going to begin by conditionally apologizing to Revan. I generally try to be civil, and I certainly don't dislike you, but what you were doing was spamming, intentional or not, and I think Lex did a good job of explaining to you why it isn't appropriate, regardless of others reactions to it. Still, I shouldn't have gone off to that extent, but I was exasperated at my previous pleas being blithely ignored and lost my temper. I appreciate your decision to stop posting anime pictures, hopefully you won't hold a grudge because I'm not going to. I also apologize to anyone else who was offended. Except to those two literalist, this apology doesn't apply to you. You're both still idiots.

Do not worry, I hold no ill will towards you and you were right. I was being stubborn but the straight out fight last night about it to show that I was unintentionally trolling (posting things that get others angry) which snapped me out of that. While I cannot promise that I will never post one ever again, I will make sure it applies to the discussion (such as if we're talking about warfare I will bring up my Riza Hawkeye poster "War doesn't prove who's right--only who is left") or on very special occasions like Mother's Day (Those days everyone here tends to be offtopic anyway so it won't cause any harm). Other than situations like those, they will not be shown. 

Non Mass Effect related pictures should be avoided at all costs. Which includes not using a meme about war whenever the topic is brought up, especially when it trivializes the various reasons people go to war. You think that phrase means anything to someone defending their home from foreign aggression? I would ask yourself one question: Who's benefit are the anime pictures for? Why continue at all when you know a large number of people can't stand it and it provides zero benefit to the thread? If I knew something off topic irritated, even angered, people, I'd stop all together. What don't you understand about others not liking you using anime memes in the IT thread? There are unspoken rules in society, sometimes they should be broken, and sometimes they should be respected out of courtesy to the group. You know anime is one of the most polarizing things out there, glad you like it, many hate it. Just let it go man. It doesn't belong here. Not on holidays, not as a meme to make a point, not at all. Honestly, you pushed it way too far and should refrain from posting anymore. You had an opportunity to keep it to rare occasions, instead you flooded the thread with it. So just stop altogether Revan.

It doesn't trivialize, in fact one of the things FMA shows is why and how war is bad. Not all anime is senseless dribble, even if most is, but the same can be said of video games or any other kind of visual media. But fine, I'll take the above it down even though it is relevent to the current vibe of this place, which is New Years (which means I can never use masster Christmas gift to me here).

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 01 janvier 2013 - 05:29 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If I may ask a question, though. Why are others allowed to post things that are controversial without being reprimanded? Example, a few days ago Rifneno compared Mass effect 3 to the tradegy of the Titanic sinking, to which i complained, yet everyone told me to basically suck it up and enjoy it, even thoufgh I couldn't because I lost family on it. Sorry to be a bother, but there just seems to be a double standard here which I don't find particularly fair.I get that I misused my priviledges, yet other posters do similar things just as controversial yet never have anything become of it. Why?

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 01 janvier 2013 - 05:30 .

[spotlessvoid]

byne wrote...

LDS, could you please stop posting anime? All it ever does is ****** people off because apparently cartoons become bad if drawn in Japan.

The truth is I don't have a blanket hate for anime. I dislike it, but I'm sure some of it is meaningful and artistic. It's the fans who can't stop bringing it up and imposing it on others no matter the venue that ****** me off. Like my sister, who constantly tries to tell me about it. I had a friend who always tried to make me listen to country music. He just couldn't get that I cant stand it. We aren't friends anymore. This thread gets a lot of pics at times, and a lot of off topic. Combining the two goes beyond the pale. And we'd be having the same conversation if it was western comics. Lets try our best to keep non text posts Mass Effect related going forward. And I'm sorry you've been put in this position byne

[Andromidius]

Lokanaiya wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

For the earlier posts about Vendetta - if Shepard meets the criteria for indoctrination based on the codex (watch the "So the VI was Right vid in my sig) and Vendetta is a true Prothean VI why can't he detect Shepard's indoctrination but detect Kai Leng? I too think he's a plant. Besides we didn't see what happened with the beacon. When they said there was a Prothean Beacon I was expecting an actual beacon with dream images

Either that or the indoctrination detector is crude and imprecise.  It might only be able to detect full corruption (complete with implants), and has little or no method of detecting early signs.

Infact, it may be designed that way.  Considering the way Reapers operate, even mild exposure to them might cause the system to detect something wrong.  Hense to stop it going off every single time with every single person, its tuned high to only detect the fully corrupted.

Why would it be able to detect indoctrination in non-Protheans anyways? Indoctrination involves incredibly subtle altering of the nervous system, so subtle that doctors that are actually familar with this cycle races can't detect it. A highly specialized VI might be able to detect it in races that it's had a lot of exposure to (like a Prothean VI detecting it in Protheans) but in races that it doesn't even have a baseline to compare it to, let alone an intricate knowledge of the race's nervous system, brain, and what changes would occur with indoctrination? No, I don't see how that could work.

Really, given that the only two people we know for sure Prothean VIs called indoctrinated were Saren and Kai Leng, it might be more accurate to say that the VI detects Reaper tech-based implants, which would be both a lot easier to detect and a definite sign of indoctrination, but not required for it.

Totally agreed.  Reaper tech would be the same regardless, but it may be that indoctrination influence prior to implants are impossible to detect without a trained shrink who's knowledgable on both the victim's species and indoctrination itself.

i.e. Not a Prothean VI.

[spotlessvoid]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

If I may ask a question, though. Why are others allowed to post things that are controversial without being reprimanded? Example, a few days ago Rifneno compared Mass effect 3 to the tradegy of the Titanic sinking, to which i complained, yet everyone told be to basically suck it up and enjoy it. Sorry to be a bother, but there just seems to be a double standard here which I don't find particularly fair.I get that I misused my priviledges, yet other posters do similar things just as controversial yet never have anything become of it. Why?

Because the Titanic is a cultural reference point, far enough in the past that nobody here knows anyone personally that died on it, and because only someone looking for a reason to get offended would get offended. Seriously, it's the Titanic. They made a cheesy movie about it. I doubt anyone took your complaint seriously, and it's not like Rif has made it a habit to post pictures of tragic events.

[Hrothdane]

@LDS

People always grant exceptions to the things they like and deny them to things they don't. People expect to have the freedom to do whatever they want and the power to stop others from annoying them with things they don't like. There is a logical inconsistency in this behavior, but we humans like to indulge in irrationality.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

spotlessvoid wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

If I may ask a question, though. Why are others allowed to post things that are controversial without being reprimanded? Example, a few days ago Rifneno compared Mass effect 3 to the tradegy of the Titanic sinking, to which i complained, yet everyone told be to basically suck it up and enjoy it. Sorry to be a bother, but there just seems to be a double standard here which I don't find particularly fair.I get that I misused my priviledges, yet other posters do similar things just as controversial yet never have anything become of it. Why?

Because the Titanic is a cultural reference point, far enough in the past that nobody here knows anyone personally that died on it, and because only someone looking for a reason to get offended would get offended. Seriously, it's the Titanic. They made a cheesy movie about it. I doubt anyone took your complaint seriously, and it's not like Rif has made it a habit to post pictures of tragic events.

I happen to have had family that died on it, and while I never personally knew them, that pisture made a mockery of their death, which is more than enough reason to get offended. As for Rif, many have complained about his attitude towards them, going offtopic just to insult them, yet he never gets scolded. Sorry, but it's the exact same thing, except his are words and mine were pictures, so I hope you see why i'm confused abou this. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Hrothdane wrote...

@LDS

People always grant exceptions to the things they like and deny them to things they don't. People expect to have the freedom to do whatever they want and the power to stop others from annoying them with things they don't like. There is a logical inconsistency in this behavior, but we humans like to indulge in irrationality.

True, yet I'm the only one who seems to be scolded while there are others here who have received more complaints than I have yet they never receive one.

[Hrothdane]

Rifneno gets tolerated because he has been here a long time, attacks trolls in the thread, and occasionally posts some speculations.

[spotlessvoid]

Yes, war is bad for all who suffer through it. That doesn't mean that war isn't sometimes necessary. Tell someone fighting for their home, be it against a foreign invader or occupying tyranny, that war is bad. Things get complicated and it sucks

[Rosewind]

Can we stop fighting and just get back to it okay, I didn't come back here to read about this I came back to find out more information.

[spotlessvoid]

Hrothdane wrote...

@LDS

People always grant exceptions to the things they like and deny them to things they don't. People expect to have the freedom to do whatever they want and the power to stop others from annoying them with things they don't like. There is a logical inconsistency in this behavior, but we humans like to indulge in irrationality.

So what, it should be a free for all? What if everyone else did what Revan did with their favorite topic? The thread would be flooded with off topic pictures. Why should he be the exception? And you almost never see me post pictures period, but the very few times I do it's always about Mass Effect. I personally don't really like the picture posting in general, but I'm not trying to run the thread. And a mature adult uses logic to understand when their behavior is bothering everyone else and has the common courtesy to stop. Like making a lot of noise in a library. Seriously Hrothdane. Not all rules are petty and self indulgent. Also, just because someone acts like the victim doesn't mean they are.

[401 Kill]

Rosewind wrote...

Can we stop fighting and just get back to it okay, I didn't come back here to read about this I came back to find out more information.

[spotlessvoid]

LDS....because pictures aren't words. They're hard to ignore when they're staring you in the face the whole page. And if Rif started posting those pictures consistently he'd likely get reprimanded. At least he was making a point about Mass Effect.

And yes, people like Rif and Lex (who only posts Mass Effect stuff) get some benefit of the doubt because they were here day after day fighting to make this theory what it is, often late into the night, countering the ridicule and hate IT was bombarded with in the early days. I'd still get on their case hard if they flooded the thread with off topic posts like you did.

[Hrothdane]

I'm not saying LDS should do what he wants. I'm saying if people will make such a big deal about off-topic, nobody should be tolerated going into long-winded off-topic discussions, regardless of the subject of the off-topic discussion. I don't particularly enjoy going through page-upon-page of Red vs. Blue or Katawa Shoujo, but it happens all the time and nobody gets upset about it to even half the same level.

If we want rules to be enforced, we cannot enforce them arbitrarily.

[CmdrShep80]

Lokanaiya wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

For the earlier posts about Vendetta - if Shepard meets the criteria for indoctrination based on the codex (watch the "So the VI was Right vid in my sig) and Vendetta is a true Prothean VI why can't he detect Shepard's indoctrination but detect Kai Leng? I too think he's a plant. Besides we didn't see what happened with the beacon. When they said there was a Prothean Beacon I was expecting an actual beacon with dream images

Either that or the indoctrination detector is crude and imprecise.  It might only be able to detect full corruption (complete with implants), and has little or no method of detecting early signs.

Infact, it may be designed that way.  Considering the way Reapers operate, even mild exposure to them might cause the system to detect something[/i] wrong.  Hense to stop it going off every single time with every single person, its tuned high to only detect the fully corrupted.

Why would it be able to detect indoctrination in non-Protheans anyways? Indoctrination involves incredibly subtle altering of the nervous system, so subtle that doctors that are actually familar with this cycle races can't detect it. A highly specialized VI might be able to detect it in races that it's had a lot of exposure to (like a Prothean VI detecting it in Protheans) but in races that it doesn't even have a baseline to compare it to, let alone an intricate knowledge of the race's nervous system, brain, and what changes would occur with indoctrination? No, I don't see how that could work.

Really, given that the only two people we know for sure Prothean VIs called indoctrinated were Saren and Kai Leng, it might be more accurate to say that the VI detects Reaper tech-based implants, which would be both a lot easier to detect and a definite sign of indoctrination, but not required for it.

You have a point but...Kai should have similar tech to Shepard. Shepard has Reaper based tech in him from his reconstruction so if we assume it only detects Reaper based tech, it should detect Shepard too. 
Additionally, if you bring Legion as a squad mate it should also detect him since by the end of the game we find out Legion has code also based on Reaper tech. 

[Lokanaiya]

Hrothdane wrote...

Rifneno gets tolerated because he has been here a long time, attacks trolls in the thread, and occasionally posts some speculations.

LDS posts a fair amount of speculations too, as well as all that work he put into the FMA wall o' text. LDS also tends to be very polite and nice and yeah, maybe he does go overboard with the anime stuff a little, but it's really not a big deal. Quick question: Have we been hard on Lex for posting all those (de)motivationals? Yes? No?

How is LDS's any different? If anything, and I say this with the utmost respect for Lex, LDS's tend to have more substance than the purely humorous motivationals, and he's even made an analysis of an anime and Mass Effect thats size blows Arian's old walls of text out of the water. On purely random anime pictures, yeah, maybe there shouldn't be so many, but jeez, this is New Year's! I think that just posting one celebration picture is fine, guys. Really.

Also, Happy New Years! Just happened here.

[spotlessvoid]

Hrothdane wrote...

I'm not saying LDS should do what he wants. I'm saying if people will make such a big deal about off-topic, nobody should be tolerated going into long-winded off-topic discussions, regardless of the subject of the off-topic discussion. I don't particularly enjoy going through page-upon-page of Red vs. Blue or Katawa Shoujo, but it happens all the time and nobody gets upset about it to even half the same level.

If we want rules to be enforced, we cannot enforce them arbitrarily.

Pictures vs text. Very very different. It also wasn't nonstop on every page. I went out of my way to compliment Revan on the hard work he put in to his anime/IT comparison. It's the pictures that are the problem. I can't believe how you keep ignoring this point.

[masster blaster]

Rosewind where have you been?

[CmdrShep80]

Here's the odd thing:

Javik at Thessia (my title reminds me of Darmok and Tenagra hehe)

Watch the vid with discovering the prothean beacon.  There are a few off things.  I'll tell ya in a sec, just want to get the link up.

EDITS - please read as I update

at 9:51 Javik says "The activation is complete, we can activate the beacon now"
9:51 - 9:57 Shepard runs to the beacon control panel (it needs a control panel? does any of the previous becons need a panel?).  Meanwhile we're in a cutscene
9:57 As Shepard begins to try to activate the beacon, Liara says:  "We need to hurry.  This place isn't going to..."
10:00 and is cut off by Vendetta popping out of the beacon.  No one on screen notices the beacon's not active.  (keep in mind we the player click the interactable icon tricking us to think the beacon is activated but it is not, the interactable icon is only letting us activate the cutscene)
10:09 Vendetta starts talking - Javik seems to recognize it as "One of our computers."  So this indicates it's not a fake.
10:19 - Vendetta says:  "Reaper presence detected. This galactic cycle has already reached it's extinction terminus systems shutting down.  (This alludes that due to all the Reapers on Thessia, Vendetta can detect Reapers).

EDITs part 2:

Liara says:  "Hold on"
Shepard says:  "We need answers"
Vendetta says:  "To what questions?"
Shepard says:  "The catalyst.  We need to know what it is to finish the crucible."  (Shepard here is hoping Vendetta knows.  There's no guarentee at this point if Vendetta truly knows.  Keep in mind we still haven't seen the beacon activate like it usually does.
10:44 - Vendetta takes shape of a Prothean.  Javik says: "A memory of one of my people."  Here's the thing, if we didn't search for Javik in From Ashes, we would still see this Prothean image.  So this suggest the Prothean VI is truly a Prothean VI. (we still haven't touched the beacon.  Everyone still thinks Vendetta is the beacon.  No one even asks him if that's true).
10:47 - We seemed to have hit the jackpot because Vendetta claims:  I am called Vendetta, an advanced virtual construct of Pashek Vran, overseer of the project you refer to as the crucible." 

Here's where it goes iffy.  1 - How does Vendetta know that Overseer Pashek Vran's project and Shepard's project is one and the same if all Shepard asked was "The catalyst.  We need to know what it is to finish the crucible."  This is totally in no comparison context of any kind when asked.
EDIT I forgot 2 - How fortunate that we are to happen to be on a planet where a computer VI has the exact program of an exact project that we need that is I don't know how many light years away from Mars where we find the original plans.  Nothing before actually lead us to believe we will meet the project designer.  It's similar if we all travel to Alaska, strike it rich with oil and out comes the project designer for Dragon Age Awakenings (I don't know if they're the same but still) and we ask "The Indoctrination Theory.  We need to know if it is right to finish the game."

Edits Part 3:
10:53 Supposively Overseer Pashek Vran died on a world called Tranbir Nine according to Vendetta while fighting the Reapers
We know nothing of Tranbir 9 since it is not in the codex or planet index but:

• Agetoton
• Antibaar
• Binthu
• Bira
• Chasca
• Corang
• Eden Prime
• Eletania
• Fehl Prime
• Feros
• Garvug
• Gei Hinnom
• Ilos

• Joab
• Kahje
• Karumto
• Kopis
• Mars
• Quana
• Sharring
• Therum
• Thessia
• Tuntau
• Zada Ban
• Zafe

These are the former Prothean worlds.  We will have to deduce which it is by finding the 9th planet in the system (will do this in a bit).
Shepard asked "What happened to the Crucible in your time."  Still no context by Shepard as to what is the Crucible.  Yet Vendetta shares, "We were sabotaged from within.  A splinter group argued we should dominate the Reapers rather than destroy them."  Is this a lie even if he was part of the splinter group, no it's not.  It's the truth, yet without context we can't tell if Vendetta is part of this.  He goes on to share the Sepratists were indoctrinated.  He also goes on to offer things about a pattern of attacks by the Reapers saying that every 50,000 year cycle the pattern is the same.  I offer a hypothosis.  This pattern if Vendetta knows Kai is watching, he wouldn't be able to see or understand the pattern if it is in a Prothean cypher but Shepard would.  Yet we're not seeing it through Shepard's eyes so we don't know what was communicated:
There are 3 of these at least.  Each pattern of Reaper attack is slightly different.

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 01 janvier 2013 - 07:03 .

[CoolioThane]

I think everyone should just shut the **** up and drop it. Move on.