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[Arian Dynas]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

There appears to be the usual circular logic of 'It must be bad writing cos Bioware are bad writers. I know they're bad writers because of the ending.' Always annoys me.

There is nothing circular about that. If a writer is bad, his writing is going to be bad. A bad writer can be recognized by his bad writing. There is nothing circular about that.

Really?!? <_< WTF? If you are trying to make a logical point don't troll. If you aren't trying to make points and are intentionally trolling then I will ask you nicely to leave. 

Oh. So by that logic, since Hitler loved dogs, and Hitler was an evil person, all dogs are evil?

Wait who's logic. Mine or his?  If it's mine, I just noticed some grammar errors. Fixed in bold. 

His.

[MegumiAzusa]

Home run MF wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Oh preemptive if someone wants to bring up these "black tendrils" from Arrival again:

as you can see nothing Reapery here, just Liara showing off her biotics.

That's just a visual effect.
If you are sugesting what I think you are...well let's just not go there <_<

Wait... what do you think she's suggesting?

Idk what she thinks I'm suggesting but I wrote everything I wanted to say in the first post.

I don't know there where threads no long ago saying Liara was indoctrinated or indoctrinating Shep.
Hate threads against her, like always. I misunderstood you then.

Oh I think she is indoctrinated in ME3, it was just an example of how biotic stuff, and therefor mass effect stuff looks in engine (as biotics are nothing but mass effect fields).

[Home run MF]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Oh preemptive if someone wants to bring up these "black tendrils" from Arrival again:

as you can see nothing Reapery here, just Liara showing off her biotics.

That's just a visual effect.
If you are sugesting what I think you are...well let's just not go there <_<

Wait... what do you think she's suggesting?

Idk what she thinks I'm suggesting but I wrote everything I wanted to say in the first post.

I don't know there where threads no long ago saying Liara was indoctrinated or indoctrinating Shep.
Hate threads against her, like always. I misunderstood you then.

Oh I think she is indoctrinated in ME3, it was just an example of how biotic stuff, and therefor mass effect stuff looks in engine (as biotics are nothing but mass effect fields).

<_<

[masster blaster]

Didn't Liara have green eyes when you meet her on Illium, and now She has blue eyes.

[byne]

Home run MF wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Home run MF wrote...


I don't know there where threads no long ago saying Liara was indoctrinated or indoctrinating Shep.
Hate threads against her, like always. I misunderstood you then.

Oh I think she is indoctrinated in ME3, it was just an example of how biotic stuff, and therefor mass effect stuff looks in engine (as biotics are nothing but mass effect fields).

<_<

Her signature even says 'Indoctrinated Presence Detected' in that wacky alien language.

Modifié par byne, 09 août 2012 - 12:19 .

[BlazingZephyr]

byne wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

I like what Legion says if you keep the base: "Unity. Transcendence. Now you possess the knowledge yourselves. We hope you do not use it. Your species has much potential. You should build your own future."

In a Literal sense:
Destroy - Organics and future synthetics build their own future.
Control - The Shepalyst builds the galaxy's future for them, using the Reapers.
Synthesis - Shepard accepts the Catalyst's ideal, "inevitable" future.
Refuse - Shepard refuses to sacrifice EDI and the Geth or accept the Reapers' ideals, causing the cycle to fail. This, however, allows the next cycle to plot its own course, free from the influence of the Reapers.

I still dont see how the refuse ending works.

That cycle acts like they never had a war with the Reapers, they just went and built the Crucible and used it during peace time.

The Reapers would be out of range of the Crucible, safely in darkspace, just biding their time while the current cycle thinks itself safe.

I was gonna expand on that, but I had to go do something. Refuse could use some work, but it would make no sense if the next cycle used the crucible,since Liara's beacon told them it didn't work.

However, my main question about Refuse is how Liara kept the reapers from the beacons. She would have had to survive through the entire extiction, then plant the beacon. The Reapers scour the galaxy for ANYTHING warning the next cycle. The prothean beacons only worked because a small team survived over a century of stasis and sent a desparate message to tell any survivors about Ilos. The reapers would have been extra thorough with our Cycle, considering how the Protheans screwed things up so much.

In other words, Liara's beacon couldn't have actually made it to the next cycle. Speculations... NOW!

Modifié par BlazingZephyr, 09 août 2012 - 12:21 .

[Arian Dynas]

Hrothdane wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Emiya_Archer wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

protognosis wrote...

I thought it was an Avina type AI when I read the leaked script also. The Guardian became the Catalyst when someone decided that some albumn involving starchild symbolism was just too cool not to use it. There was a whole series of posts about it in the Mark I thread.

Are you talking about the album from the band Wintersun now? This? Yeah I remember that being posted on BSN all over the place.

I don't think anyone at BioWare listens to heavy metal, nor do I think BioWare got their idea for Catalyst kid from that song, but there are hilarious similarities between that song and the Catalyst kid indeed.

Really?

What’s a geeky thing about you?
MG: Besides living and breathing video games since I was a kid? I have a thing for German power metal bands. Blind Guardian are my idols.

http://blog.bioware....michael-gamble/

Well, Wintersun isn't a German band and it isn't power metal either. Wintersun is from Finland and it's a folk metal band mixed with melodic death metal.


Still a hilarious coincidence though.

I really hate going off-topic, but power metal is kinda my thing....

Melodic death / extreme power is a very thin line. Wintersun definitely leans towards the extreme power side because of the double bass drumming, lack of blast beats, musical themes, and bombastic style. It only gets called melodic death because Jarl screams sometimes.

I should also mention that iTunes seems to suggest Wintersun to fans of Blind Guardian.

On a personal note, Blind Guardian is my favorite band as well, so Mike Gamble  just suddenly became 10x more awesome in my mind.

I love Blind Guardian's "Sacred"

[byne]

BlazingZephyr wrote...

byne wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

I like what Legion says if you keep the base: "Unity. Transcendence. Now you possess the knowledge yourselves. We hope you do not use it. Your species has much potential. You should build your own future."

In a Literal sense:
Destroy - Organics and future synthetics build their own future.
Control - The Shepalyst builds the galaxy's future for them, using the Reapers.
Synthesis - Shepard accepts the Catalyst's ideal, "inevitable" future.
Refuse - Shepard refuses to sacrifice EDI and the Geth or accept the Reapers' ideals, causing the cycle to fail. This, however, allows the next cycle to plot its own course, free from the influence of the Reapers.

I still dont see how the refuse ending works.

That cycle acts like they never had a war with the Reapers, they just went and built the Crucible and used it during peace time.

The Reapers would be out of range of the Crucible, safely in darkspace, just biding their time while the current cycle thinks itself safe.

I was gonna expand on that, but I had to go do something. Refuse could use some work, but it would make no sense if the next cycle used the crucible,since Liara's beacon told them it didn't work.

However, my main question about Refuse is how Liara kept the reapers from the beacons. She would have had to survive through the entire extiction, then plant the beacon. The Reapers scour the galaxy for ANYTHING warning the next cycle. The prothean beacons only worked because a small team survived over a century of stasis and sent a desparate message to tell any survivors about Ilos. The reapers would have been extra thorough with our Cycle, considering how the Protheans screwed things up so much.

In other words, Liara's beacon couldn't have actually made it to the next cycle.

If the literal endings are true, she had to have distributed the beacons before the beam run, since its possible for her to vaporized during it if your EMS isnt high enough.

[Home run MF]

masster blaster wrote...


Didn't Liara have green eyes when you meet her on Illium, and now She has blue eyes.

Please masster tell me you just not confused Shiala with Liara, please...

Edit: and thank you for baiting me there byne, very funny 

Modifié par Home run MF, 09 août 2012 - 12:28 .

[Arian Dynas]

smokingotter1 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...
I think it would have been more than harbinger playing the ego if they made the ending like this. I know I remember multiple people saying they felt as if the final confrontation with Anderson and TIM was Shepard's mind in turmoil. Has anyone done a write up on this?

If I recall, Otter had a really in-depth analysis about the Freudian trio. 

That's in Mark II, if I find it I'll link to it. Bioware really needs to improve their search forum function btw.

Please do! I'd very much love to read it.

Basically Shepard is the Ego, the concious portion of the mind. Anderson, being Shepard's father figure and moral compass, is representing his Superego, a part of him not part of his concious mind, which seeks perfection and moral rightness. TIM is supposed to be the Id, the aspect which is lowbrow, primal, animalistic and desirous, which unfortunately does not map too well, though one could argue the Id is ruled by emotion.

Late reply... I doesn't have to map perfectly, I mean Spock/Kirk/McCoy are also seen as a Fruedian trio, but it's not like McCoy is a raving animal....that's right I brought Star Trek back into this thread.

Yes, but it works better in that case.

Bones is raw emotion, another aspect of the Id.

Of course, just a disclaimer, the whole Freudian thing is about as relevant to real psychology these days as phlogiston theory is to physics.

I know but writers love it and still use it, sure Mac could have used something more relevent to modern psychology but would go over the head of the audience.

Never disagreed with that.

Though I suppose unless there are people who know alot of random historical minutiae like I do, or played Spelljammer at one point, I doubt anyone here even has a concept of what Phlogiston is.

[byne]

Arian Dynas wrote...


Never disagreed with that.

Though I suppose unless there are people who know alot of random historical minutiae like I do, or played Spelljammer at one point, I doubt anyone here even has a concept of what Phlogiston is.

All I know about phlogiston is that its what powers all technology in Azeroth.

I'm sure its something in the real world too, though.

[byne]

Home run MF wrote...

masster blaster wrote...


Didn't Liara have green eyes when you meet her on Illium, and now She has blue eyes.

Please masster tell me you just not confused Shiala with Liara, please...

No, I'm pretty sure Liara's eyes change between you meeting her on Illium and when you see her in LotSB.

[BlazingZephyr]

byne wrote...

If the literal endings are true, she had to have distributed the beacons before the beam run, since its possible for her to vaporized during it if your EMS isnt high enough.

Exactly. But, unfortunately, I can't go, "More IT evidence!" because one could always argue that Bioware threw in that scene to make people "happy" (people asked for it sort of) or... *gasp* bad writing.

[MegumiAzusa]

masster blaster wrote...

Didn't Liara have green eyes when you meet her on Illium, and now She has blue eyes.

Actually when you meet her in ME1 she has blue eyes, then on Illium brown, and since LotSB blue again.

[TJBartlemus]

byne wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

masster blaster wrote...


Didn't Liara have green eyes when you meet her on Illium, and now She has blue eyes.

Please masster tell me you just not confused Shiala with Liara, please...

No, I'm pretty sure Liara's eyes change between you meeting her on Illium and when you see her in LotSB.

Implications if true...interesting. No way the devs would mess up that bad if it wasn't on purpose. Expecially on such a main character as Liara. 

[Arian Dynas]

byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...


Never disagreed with that.

Though I suppose unless there are people who know alot of random historical minutiae like I do, or played Spelljammer at one point, I doubt anyone here even has a concept of what Phlogiston is.

All I know about phlogiston is that its what powers all technology in Azeroth.

I'm sure its something in the real world too, though.

Ooogh...

Phlogiston theory was the idea that there was a permeative aether that was spread throughout the universe that fueled fire (which is actually the rapid combustion of gasses given off by superheated fuel, not a gas in the atmosphere, if it was, any time someone lit a match the atmosphere would catch alight.) it was also believed to be found in space, and that man was capable of breathing it.

Shall we say, resoundingly debunked?

[Home run MF]

byne wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

masster blaster wrote...


Didn't Liara have green eyes when you meet her on Illium, and now She has blue eyes.

Please masster tell me you just not confused Shiala with Liara, please...

No, I'm pretty sure Liara's eyes change between you meeting her on Illium and when you see her in LotSB.

They don't change colour, they go from pretty blue to marry me now blue.

Edit. Everyone STOP IT Liara's eyes are allways the same. Blue 

Modifié par Home run MF, 09 août 2012 - 12:32 .

[Arian Dynas]

TJBartlemus wrote...

byne wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

masster blaster wrote...


Didn't Liara have green eyes when you meet her on Illium, and now She has blue eyes.

Please masster tell me you just not confused Shiala with Liara, please...

No, I'm pretty sure Liara's eyes change between you meeting her on Illium and when you see her in LotSB.

Implications if true...interesting. No way the devs would mess up that bad if it wasn't on purpose. Expecially on such a main character as Liara. 

I figured it was a lighting effect or a graphical error.

They do happen, you know.

Not EVERYTHING is evidence, only the things which we can clearly know are intentional.

Liara was at best a secondary character in ME2. I doubt there was much oversight on what color her eyes were, especially since they keep changing in that scene.

[byne]

Arian Dynas wrote...

byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...


Never disagreed with that.

Though I suppose unless there are people who know alot of random historical minutiae like I do, or played Spelljammer at one point, I doubt anyone here even has a concept of what Phlogiston is.

All I know about phlogiston is that its what powers all technology in Azeroth.

I'm sure its something in the real world too, though.

Ooogh...

Phlogiston theory was the idea that there was a permeative aether that was spread throughout the universe that fueled fire (which is actually the rapid combustion of gasses given off by superheated fuel, not a gas in the atmosphere, if it was, any time someone lit a match the atmosphere would catch alight.) it was also believed to be found in space, and that man was capable of breathing it.

Shall we say, resoundingly debunked?

The idea of setting the atmosphere on fire sounds pretty badass though.

Anyhow, I knew you could give me a better, and more concise explanation than wikipedia could!

[MegumiAzusa]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Emiya_Archer wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

protognosis wrote...

I thought it was an Avina type AI when I read the leaked script also. The Guardian became the Catalyst when someone decided that some albumn involving starchild symbolism was just too cool not to use it. There was a whole series of posts about it in the Mark I thread.

Are you talking about the album from the band Wintersun now? This? Yeah I remember that being posted on BSN all over the place.

I don't think anyone at BioWare listens to heavy metal, nor do I think BioWare got their idea for Catalyst kid from that song, but there are hilarious similarities between that song and the Catalyst kid indeed.

Really?

What’s a geeky thing about you?
MG: Besides living and breathing video games since I was a kid? I have a thing for German power metal bands. Blind Guardian are my idols.

http://blog.bioware....michael-gamble/

Well, Wintersun isn't a German band and it isn't power metal either. Wintersun is from Finland and it's a folk metal band mixed with melodic death metal.


Still a hilarious coincidence though.

I really hate going off-topic, but power metal is kinda my thing....

Melodic death / extreme power is a very thin line. Wintersun definitely leans towards the extreme power side because of the double bass drumming, lack of blast beats, musical themes, and bombastic style. It only gets called melodic death because Jarl screams sometimes.

I should also mention that iTunes seems to suggest Wintersun to fans of Blind Guardian.

On a personal note, Blind Guardian is my favorite band as well, so Mike Gamble  just suddenly became 10x more awesome in my mind.

I love Blind Guardian's "Sacred"

I like Ashes To Ashes, but I'm not much into Blind Guardian anymore.

[Salient Archer]

@Emiya_Archer: Hi sweetie! - How are you today?

[BlazingZephyr]

I just checked Liara's Eyes in a few pictures and they are the same on Illium and LotSB.

Well, both blue. The eyes are a much deeper blue in her "modern" appearance.

Modifié par BlazingZephyr, 09 août 2012 - 12:35 .

[byne]

Salient Archer wrote...

@Emiya_Archer: Hi sweetie! - How are you today?

Are you flirting with Shirou, Salient?

[Arian Dynas]

Salient Archer wrote...

@Emiya_Archer: Hi sweetie! - How are you today?

I'll take that as a resounding "yes" to my question then.

Hi Emma!

[Hrothdane]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I love Blind Guardian's "Sacred"

I like Ashes To Ashes, but I'm not much into Blind Guardian anymore.

...And Then There Was Silence is mine, but I'm quite partial to Time Stands Still (At the Iron Hill).