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masster blaster wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

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masster, I can't help but notice your spelling, grammar and formatting have improved considerably.

Is that really you? :D


Yes it's me, and are you DD?:)


Of course!

Was there ever any doubt? :?


You doubt that I was me, so I returned the favor.B)


Fair enough. It was a compliment though. :P

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

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I don't usually preserve life by putting them into starships, but when I do, I use them as cannon fodder.

But it's already consistent. The devs said more then once that usually no Reaper is ever destroyed in a Cycle.

Doesn't stop it from being a bad idea. Plus, they put species into destroyers, which are destroyed frequently. Why not put them somewhere safe, like the hypothesized Evil-Citadel?

How should I know? Impracticality maybe. Also there is the difference between all organic life, as in every living thing and microbe and what not (which they clearly don't care about), and all organic life, as in organic life in general.

Then why bother harvesting individual species?

They seem to pick the best of what the Cycle has to offer. And as the Guardian and Levy said they are experimenting.


And you believe them? Do  you believe that TIM is right. That Saren is right, or other Indoctrinated agents?

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masster blaster wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

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nightcobra8928 wrote...

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i'll go with the tried and true route of "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"

Let's assume that shepard's breath scene is on the citadel...taking into account that shepard had no shields and armor as well being badly wounded, the blast from the citadel's explosion gives a 100% guarantee that anything alive near shepard's vicinity would be turned into a crisp, if not vaporized entirely.
If by some freak chance shepard manages to survive we have to take into account that the citadel blew up and got torn apart so there's a very good chance that whatever equipment keeps the place shepard's in breathable and pressurized condition is malfunctioning or even deactivated leaving shepard's barely alive body at the mercy of space's vaccum.
 
Now then let's move on to the possibility that the breath scene takes place on earth...if shepard was indeed on the citadel and then was thrown towards earth due to the explosion, then we hit the same wall as in the first point, point being that shepard has a 0% chance of survival under those conditions and the ones before mentioned like lack of any shields or armor. like we've seen in ME2, shepard *died* due to the reentry damage and in that scenario shepard had a full suit of shielded armor as well as lacked a citadel sized explosion proppeling shepard into orbit.

Then the only scenario in which the breath scene Can occur is if shepard never left earth at all.

Uhm you make a point about removing everything impossible, then go on to say Shep on the Citadel is merely improbable because of "there's a very good chance [of equipment failure]" which doesn't say it's impossible.


well to me, i'm 100% certain that any electronic equipment near shepard is fried based on this picture

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other people might say otherwise, though for me it's pretty clear that no type of equipment would be running after that.

Thing is: the explosion is still originating from the Crucible. The other secondary explosions are originating from the Citadel. The Citadel is only damaged at the parts where the secondary explosions occurs, but everything engulfed by the one you pointed at is fine. There are at least 4 elevators in the Guardian scene.


You forget that in Destroy technology is effected. That includes all
tech on the Citadel. sure in high ems Destroy the ships are moving,
but their engines are flickering. Also that mean the shields on the
Citadel are down, or turning on and off meaning oxygen is going out into space. I doubt they could get everything back and running on the Citadel in time.

And in the EC you can see lights on the frakked up Citadel. It's still not impossible.


Yet at what time is this? I mean it's flash foward. For all we know it's been a year already when we see the f'd up Citadel again.

As you can see on the screenshot which is quoted there are still lights on.
And that is after the destruction ray.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
I don't usually preserve life by putting them into starships, but when I do, I use them as cannon fodder.

But it's already consistent. The devs said more then once that usually no Reaper is ever destroyed in a Cycle.

Doesn't stop it from being a bad idea. Plus, they put species into destroyers, which are destroyed frequently. Why not put them somewhere safe, like the hypothesized Evil-Citadel?

How should I know? Impracticality maybe. Also there is the difference between all organic life, as in every living thing and microbe and what not (which they clearly don't care about), and all organic life, as in organic life in general.

Then why bother harvesting individual species?

They seem to pick the best of what the Cycle has to offer. And as the Guardian and Levy said they are experimenting.

experimenting is not a sound method of preserving life, what if their experiments went wrong (you could argue they already have)

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the great pyramids of the IT thread have been built

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In my cycle, quote pyramids were punishable by death.

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Rosewind wrote...

Pascal219 wrote...

 So I was play a multiplayer game and I usually pick silver, but I keep noticing the banner for silver! All the banners in MP have been used in the game except the banner for the silver challenge.

It's a cropped version of this picture:

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So how was this never used in game? It's awesome! And why use it in the silver challenge banner??

Or is this something still to come in the upcoming Citadel DLC? ^_^


Nah, it was just concept art they decided to use honestly. We been over that one a few times :P


It's used as the primary back cover picture for the Mass Effect Trilogy bundle, which is interesting.


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Why are we even discussing this? Leviathans are nowhere near big enough to do that.


You mean the size difference between a Reaper capital ship and a Leviathan? I'm not sure... The ones we saw were enormous but I'm not sure how big exactly. It's hard to get a measurement because we have very little point of reference. Shepard's in an atlas (I like how Shepard will recognize it as an atlas even if he's never seen an atlas because you're there before Sur'Kesh), which is about the only thing we can judge by. We can't tell exactly how far off the Leviathans are. Plus, doesn't being underwater mess with your depth perception?

... Also, the grammar **** in me has to wonder if "capital ship" is supposed to be capitalized.


Your squadmates also know what Banshees are and call them out like they're used to see them. It's because the earliest you're supposed to do Leviathan is after the AY Monastery.


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Just makes me angry every time when I see artwork and situations that could've been.

Priority Earth is such a joke.

After the last squaddie conversations, it just goes downhill. The mission turns into straight combat for 30mins literally moving area to area, having no objectives, even the missile part is just surviving waves of enemies.

You would think that the most important mission of the game would be spectacular, but nothing is spectacular about Priority Earth.


I still find it weird how crappy the London mission is, IT doesn't even do anything to make it better, it just sucks Posted Image

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
I don't usually preserve life by putting them into starships, but when I do, I use them as cannon fodder.

But it's already consistent. The devs said more then once that usually no Reaper is ever destroyed in a Cycle.

Doesn't stop it from being a bad idea. Plus, they put species into destroyers, which are destroyed frequently. Why not put them somewhere safe, like the hypothesized Evil-Citadel?

How should I know? Impracticality maybe. Also there is the difference between all organic life, as in every living thing and microbe and what not (which they clearly don't care about), and all organic life, as in organic life in general.

Then why bother harvesting individual species?

They seem to pick the best of what the Cycle has to offer. And as the Guardian and Levy said they are experimenting.

So they do care about individual organic species.

It's what Harbinger tells you about the other species. They seem to be unfit for Reaperfication, so they pick the one best suited to their needs.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

i'll go with the tried and true route of "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"

Let's assume that shepard's breath scene is on the citadel...taking into account that shepard had no shields and armor as well being badly wounded, the blast from the citadel's explosion gives a 100% guarantee that anything alive near shepard's vicinity would be turned into a crisp, if not vaporized entirely.
If by some freak chance shepard manages to survive we have to take into account that the citadel blew up and got torn apart so there's a very good chance that whatever equipment keeps the place shepard's in breathable and pressurized condition is malfunctioning or even deactivated leaving shepard's barely alive body at the mercy of space's vaccum.
 
Now then let's move on to the possibility that the breath scene takes place on earth...if shepard was indeed on the citadel and then was thrown towards earth due to the explosion, then we hit the same wall as in the first point, point being that shepard has a 0% chance of survival under those conditions and the ones before mentioned like lack of any shields or armor. like we've seen in ME2, shepard *died* due to the reentry damage and in that scenario shepard had a full suit of shielded armor as well as lacked a citadel sized explosion proppeling shepard into orbit.

Then the only scenario in which the breath scene Can occur is if shepard never left earth at all.

Uhm you make a point about removing everything impossible, then go on to say Shep on the Citadel is merely improbable because of "there's a very good chance [of equipment failure]" which doesn't say it's impossible.


well to me, i'm 100% certain that any electronic equipment near shepard is fried based on this picture

Posted Image

other people might say otherwise, though for me it's pretty clear that no type of equipment would be running after that.

Thing is: the explosion is still originating from the Crucible. The other secondary explosions are originating from the Citadel. The Citadel is only damaged at the parts where the secondary explosions occurs, but everything engulfed by the one you pointed at is fine. There are at least 4 elevators in the Guardian scene.


You forget that in Destroy technology is effected. That includes all
tech on the Citadel. sure in high ems Destroy the ships are moving,
but their engines are flickering. Also that mean the shields on the
Citadel are down, or turning on and off meaning oxygen is going out into space. I doubt they could get everything back and running on the Citadel in time.

And in the EC you can see lights on the frakked up Citadel. It's still not impossible.


Yet at what time is this? I mean it's flash foward. For all we know it's been a year already when we see the f'd up Citadel again.

As you can see on the screenshot which is quoted there are still lights on.
And that is after the destruction ray.


Explosions are happening INSIDE the Citadel. Also reflection of the SUN. Metal can reflect sunlight.

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Your squadmates also know what Banshees are and call them out like they're used to see them. It's because the earliest you're supposed to do Leviathan is after the AY Monastery.


Yeah, that too. I love that they still freak out the "first" time they see one too.

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masster blaster wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
I don't usually preserve life by putting them into starships, but when I do, I use them as cannon fodder.

But it's already consistent. The devs said more then once that usually no Reaper is ever destroyed in a Cycle.

Doesn't stop it from being a bad idea. Plus, they put species into destroyers, which are destroyed frequently. Why not put them somewhere safe, like the hypothesized Evil-Citadel?

How should I know? Impracticality maybe. Also there is the difference between all organic life, as in every living thing and microbe and what not (which they clearly don't care about), and all organic life, as in organic life in general.

Then why bother harvesting individual species?

They seem to pick the best of what the Cycle has to offer. And as the Guardian and Levy said they are experimenting.


And you believe them? Do  you believe that TIM is right. That Saren is right, or other Indoctrinated agents?

I can't see a reason why I should mistrust 2 independent sources if they tell me the same.

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To add to the Citadel/Breath Scene dicussion:

Anyone using the Citadel shields as a valid argument against Shepard being vaporized, should take into account that the Citadel's superstructure is quantum shielded. This means that only the superstructure is shielded and not some meatback wandering on its outside.

And if someone comes up again with this silly idea that nuclear blasts in space are harmless, because they only emit EM-waves ----------------- (Heretic_Hanar seriously posted this).

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
I don't usually preserve life by putting them into starships, but when I do, I use them as cannon fodder.

But it's already consistent. The devs said more then once that usually no Reaper is ever destroyed in a Cycle.

Doesn't stop it from being a bad idea. Plus, they put species into destroyers, which are destroyed frequently. Why not put them somewhere safe, like the hypothesized Evil-Citadel?

How should I know? Impracticality maybe. Also there is the difference between all organic life, as in every living thing and microbe and what not (which they clearly don't care about), and all organic life, as in organic life in general.

Then why bother harvesting individual species?

They seem to pick the best of what the Cycle has to offer. And as the Guardian and Levy said they are experimenting.


And you believe them? Do  you believe that TIM is right. That Saren is right, or other Indoctrinated agents?

I can't see a reason why I should mistrust 2 independent sources if they tell me the same.


Meg that is like saying. I know this is real life right here you would believe in Hitler.

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Welcome back Blur! You have been freed!!

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

I can't see a reason why I should mistrust 2 independent sources if they tell me the same.


Because they're villains? Saren and TIM could be considered two independent sources too, but you don't see me trusting them.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

I can't see a reason why I should mistrust 2 independent sources if they tell me the same.


*hands Megumi the Predator*

Go on, then. :P

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Okay seriously, those quote pyramids are giant, we were just talking about how a mod was going to lock down a thread after quoting 3-4 posts.

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Explosions are happening INSIDE the Citadel. Also reflection of the SUN. Metal can reflect sunlight.

So you're saying the lights, which are exactly like the streets etc you see before are reflections or explosions (which are steady, completely unlike explosions)? That's even more weird.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 02 janvier 2013 - 12:04 .


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Rifneno wrote...


Your squadmates also know what Banshees are and call them out like they're used to see them. It's because the earliest you're supposed to do Leviathan is after the AY Monastery.


Yeah, that too. I love that they still freak out the "first" time they see one too.

It's true. A lot of people freak out the first time they see me. Posted Image
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BleedingUranium wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I can't see a reason why I should mistrust 2 independent sources if they tell me the same.


Because they're villains? Saren and TIM could be considered two independent sources too, but you don't see me trusting them.

If we don't trust the creator of the Reapers, how can we trust the creator of the creator of the Reapers?

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401 Kill wrote...

Welcome back Blur! You have been freed!!


Freeeeee! Posted Image

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401 Kill wrote...

Welcome back Blur! You have been freed!!

Yes welcome back!

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Explosions are happening INSIDE the Citadel. Also reflection of the SUN. Metal can reflect sunlight.

So you're saying the lights, which are exactly like the streets etc you see before are reflections or explosions (which are steady, completely unlike explosions)? That's even more weird.


And what I'm saying is it's totally irrelevant.

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masster blaster wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
I don't usually preserve life by putting them into starships, but when I do, I use them as cannon fodder.

But it's already consistent. The devs said more then once that usually no Reaper is ever destroyed in a Cycle.

Doesn't stop it from being a bad idea. Plus, they put species into destroyers, which are destroyed frequently. Why not put them somewhere safe, like the hypothesized Evil-Citadel?

How should I know? Impracticality maybe. Also there is the difference between all organic life, as in every living thing and microbe and what not (which they clearly don't care about), and all organic life, as in organic life in general.

Then why bother harvesting individual species?

They seem to pick the best of what the Cycle has to offer. And as the Guardian and Levy said they are experimenting.


And you believe them? Do  you believe that TIM is right. That Saren is right, or other Indoctrinated agents?

I can't see a reason why I should mistrust 2 independent sources if they tell me the same.


Meg that is like saying. I know this is real life right here you would believe in Hitler.

I am unable to understand your grammar.

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Rifneno wrote...

I want a DLC where I can kill all the Reapers by tricking the Catalyst into trying to divide by zero.

Yes.

MegumiAzusa wrote...

And yes 4 elevators, 1 for each choice, and the 1 transporting Shep up.

I might be wrong here, but I don't think synthesis has an elevator.