MegumiAzusa wrote...
No, the assertion is never stated as "all synthetics always win". It doesn't specify the synthetics at all.
Steelcan wrote...
Thats the point. Peace proves nothing. It is a delaying action at best. Destroying the geth proves that organics are not doomed to be destroyed by synthetics, and his whole argument blows up in his face.
byne wrote...
The universe doesnt have infinite time. If the catalyst is basing all his assumptions on the idea that there is infinite time, he is fundamentally flawed.
byne wrote...
Pro-tip: if the Reapers hadnt intervened, the quarians would have wiped the geth out. You cant use reaper intervention in a war against organics as proof that synthetics will always win.
Thats like seeing a dog chasing cat, seeing the cat nearly get away, and then grabbing the cat up and throwing it to the dog, then claiming it proves that dogs will always catch cats when they chase them. It only ended up that way because you stepped in.
Modifié par TheProtheans, 02 janvier 2013 - 01:52 .
Steelcan wrote...
"The Created will always destroy their creators"MegumiAzusa wrote...
No, the assertion is never stated as "all synthetics always win". It doesn't specify the synthetics at all.
-Insane AI
He very clearly means synthetics will rebel and destroy organics. He is in no way ambiguous about this.
There are two renegade choices I absolutely would never make. One is killing Wrex, the other is sabotaging the cureRifneno wrote...
Unrelated rambling. God, I love the krogan. "There's a Reaper in my way, Wrex!" "I know, you get all the fun!"
I don't know how you could go with Wreav. Wrex is just pure awesome.
Hmm. Past Tuchanka. Haven't decided on this playthrough's romance. Let's see, what haven't I tried that's available. ... Kaiden, and Allers. ... Maybe I'll just get Shepard one of those "back massagers." =/
Javik is such a troll. Can't be said enough. Trollthean.
Steelcan wrote...
Why do you think that?CoolioThane wrote...
I like the explanation you give, really thoughtful.
I know what your explanation will be though, and I disagree with you.
umad commander? *trollface*Rifneno wrote...
Unrelated rambling. God, I love the krogan. "There's a Reaper in my way, Wrex!" "I know, you get all the fun!"
I don't know how you could go with Wreav. Wrex is just pure awesome.
Hmm. Past Tuchanka. Haven't decided on this playthrough's romance. Let's see, what haven't I tried that's available. ... Kaiden, and Allers. ... Maybe I'll just get Shepard one of those "back massagers." =/
Javik is such a troll. Can't be said enough. Trollthean.
This is operations that there is a problem to be solved. There isn't.Andromidius wrote...
So healing a disease isn't worth the time, and proves that medicine isn't useful?Steelcan wrote...
Thats the point. Peace proves nothing. It is a delaying action at best. Destroying the geth proves that organics are not doomed to be destroyed by synthetics, and his whole argument blows up in his face.
Peace is always a delaying action. Doesn't mean its worthless or proves nothing.
By the Catalyst's own logic, nothing will solve the problem. Even Synthesis, under its most fairy-dust magic unicorn peace and happy bunny interpretation is only a delaying action. Even annihilating the universe would be a delaying action, because eventually it would reform or a new one would form from the remains and it all starts over again.
Ultimately delays are what makes live what it is. People will fight to survive under ridiculous situations, even when they know ultimately they will die.
Thats an........admirable view pointCoolioThane wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
Why do you think that?CoolioThane wrote...
I like the explanation you give, really thoughtful.
I know what your explanation will be though, and I disagree with you.
Faith in the geth/quarian relations and a belief knowledge will allow the Galaxy to coexist and not let things like the geth/quarian war happen ever again.
Modifié par masster blaster, 02 janvier 2013 - 01:56 .
Steelcan wrote...
Thats an........admirable view pointCoolioThane wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
Why do you think that?CoolioThane wrote...
I like the explanation you give, really thoughtful.
I know what your explanation will be though, and I disagree with you.
Faith in the geth/quarian relations and a belief knowledge will allow the Galaxy to coexist and not let things like the geth/quarian war happen ever again.
Rifneno wrote...
masster blaster wrote...
You wanna know what happened? ITers are what happened. I've ****ing had enough of them. This is the last time I will endure their insults and their attacks on my friends.
I will not stand idly by any further. No, I've had enough now. Those ****s saying I'm not real? Calling me a negative ass? NO. I won't accept this **** any further.
The entire reason why I visited BSN in the first place is because I thought you guys would be glad to see me. Instead, I get a middle finger each time I don't share the same views as you guys do. Well, I've had enough now. I can think of better things to do in my spare time than to argue with a group of zealots that have been indoctrinated by their own theory.
That is why I've had enough, ok? I don't count you among those ****s who in fact do that. You're one of the rare nice and understanding people, one of them that tend to be respectful to others. Along with Lex0r and banshee, you're one of the uys I quite like.
Here guys. This is Estesister pm she sent me. i hopethe ones that made her left are happy. I....I am just...going to go. To many have left, and now i.....goodbye.
LOL @ esta
There is nothing to say that the peace will last. It might, it might not.CoolioThane wrote...
And as Andromidus stated, everything is a delaying tactic. Peace is a delay. Though peace between organics and synthetics is proven to work which flies in the ****ty face of the ****alystSteelcan wrote...
Thats an........admirable view pointCoolioThane wrote...
Faith in the geth/quarian relations and a belief knowledge will allow the Galaxy to coexist and not let things like the geth/quarian war happen ever again.Steelcan wrote...
Why do you think that?
Modifié par Steelcan, 02 janvier 2013 - 01:58 .
Steelcan wrote...
There are two renegade choices I absolutely would never make. One is killing Wrex, the other is sabotaging the cureRifneno wrote...
Unrelated rambling. God, I love the krogan. "There's a Reaper in my way, Wrex!" "I know, you get all the fun!"
I don't know how you could go with Wreav. Wrex is just pure awesome.
Hmm. Past Tuchanka. Haven't decided on this playthrough's romance. Let's see, what haven't I tried that's available. ... Kaiden, and Allers. ... Maybe I'll just get Shepard one of those "back massagers." =/
Javik is such a troll. Can't be said enough. Trollthean.
It actually works against him. The Protheans were WINNING the Metacon War until Reaper intervention, same with the quarians.Hrothdane wrote...
It's a common narrative structure. The villain is given an ideological position and by the time the hero confronts the villain, the hero has found a case that contradicts the predictions of the villain. We are given no evidence from the plot itself that synthetics actually will inevitably destroy organics, all things being equal and without Reaper assistance. Every. Single. Case. of synthetics vs. organics has Reaper involvement in it.
The Catalyst is actually setup perfectly as a Straw Hypocrite because of how the Reapers have inserted themselves into every synthetic vs. organic conflict and always sided with the synthetics. Sadly, he never gets called on it.
Regardless of whether anyone thinks that inevitably synthetics will
destroy organics, the narrative itself does not take the side of
Starbinger.
Andromidius wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
masster blaster wrote...
You wanna know what happened? ITers are what happened. I've ****ing had enough of them. This is the last time I will endure their insults and their attacks on my friends.
I will not stand idly by any further. No, I've had enough now. Those ****s saying I'm not real? Calling me a negative ass? NO. I won't accept this **** any further.
The entire reason why I visited BSN in the first place is because I thought you guys would be glad to see me. Instead, I get a middle finger each time I don't share the same views as you guys do. Well, I've had enough now. I can think of better things to do in my spare time than to argue with a group of zealots that have been indoctrinated by their own theory.
That is why I've had enough, ok? I don't count you among those ****s who in fact do that. You're one of the rare nice and understanding people, one of them that tend to be respectful to others. Along with Lex0r and banshee, you're one of the uys I quite like.
Here guys. This is Estesister pm she sent me. i hopethe ones that made her left are happy. I....I am just...going to go. To many have left, and now i.....goodbye.
LOL @ esta
You know. That's. Erm.
An overreaction? An extreme one?
If someone can handle having orders barked at them, being shot at, explosions going off nearby, the fear of nearby landmines... But can't handle mild criticism on the internet? Yeah, something isn't right there.
And I never once had a go at her. I almost bit her head off for a really stupid comment she made a while back, but I reconsidered. So honestly her words are unjustified and I'm geniunely insulted by them.
Modifié par masster blaster, 02 janvier 2013 - 02:03 .
CoolioThane wrote...
And as Andromidus stated, everything is a delaying tactic. Peace is a delay. Though peace between organics and synthetics is proven to work which flies in the ****ty face of the ****alyst
Take a look at my Avatar picture, guess where I fall on the paragon/renegade scale....Rifneno wrote...
I can never play full renegade, or even mostly. Too much dickery to too many innocent people. Like beating up Mouse and then ratting him out (no pun intended). No point to it, it's just... douchebaggery for the sake of douchebaggery. Not that there isn't tons of lawful-stupid paragon stuff. Like not shooting Kenson. I usually go with a mostly balanced approach. Paragon to the good guys, renegade to the bad guys. Reapers always get the renegade dialogue. None of those sissy "woe is me, maybe you're right, maybe we can't win, but we'll try anyway" para**** stuff.Steelcan wrote...
There are two renegade choices I absolutely would never make. One is killing Wrex, the other is sabotaging the cure
Steelcan wrote...
Take a look at my Avatar picture, guess where I fall on the paragon/renegade scale....Rifneno wrote...
I can never play full renegade, or even mostly. Too much dickery to too many innocent people. Like beating up Mouse and then ratting him out (no pun intended). No point to it, it's just... douchebaggery for the sake of douchebaggery. Not that there isn't tons of lawful-stupid paragon stuff. Like not shooting Kenson. I usually go with a mostly balanced approach. Paragon to the good guys, renegade to the bad guys. Reapers always get the renegade dialogue. None of those sissy "woe is me, maybe you're right, maybe we can't win, but we'll try anyway" para**** stuff.Steelcan wrote...
There are two renegade choices I absolutely would never make. One is killing Wrex, the other is sabotaging the cure
<_<Rifneno wrote...
Indoctrinated?Steelcan wrote...
Take a look at my Avatar picture, guess where I fall on the paragon/renegade scale....Rifneno wrote...
I can never play full renegade, or even mostly. Too much dickery to too many innocent people. Like beating up Mouse and then ratting him out (no pun intended). No point to it, it's just... douchebaggery for the sake of douchebaggery. Not that there isn't tons of lawful-stupid paragon stuff. Like not shooting Kenson. I usually go with a mostly balanced approach. Paragon to the good guys, renegade to the bad guys. Reapers always get the renegade dialogue. None of those sissy "woe is me, maybe you're right, maybe we can't win, but we'll try anyway" para**** stuff.Steelcan wrote...
There are two renegade choices I absolutely would never make. One is killing Wrex, the other is sabotaging the cure
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