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[TheConstantOne]

Steelcan wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
They theoretically could........ And if Wrex and Eve lose Vontrol and the Krogan go to war, guess who I'm visiting

I've actually thought about what the response might be if the krogan got out of hand after the war.  The genophage would mean that any kind of population control would have to be approached quite differently...either some refined genophage is thought up or the galaxy will literally try to obliterate the krogan.  Not a pretty picture.

The rachni could be useful allies if the krogan empire became unruly...they also have high birth rates

Not an option in my canon..... The Rachni have joined the dodo

Just got an amusing image of the Illusive Man killing the Rachni Queen off in ME 1 but knocking her really hard on the head once with a club. Thanks for that haha

[Hrothdane]

Andromidius wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

Every. Single. Case. of synthetics vs. organics has Reaper involvement in it.

Bar the initial Quarian-Geth war.  Which the Quarians started, and the Geth finished - by not wiping out their creators and letting them escape.  The Geth wanted to understand what happened, and considered destroying them would create too many variables.

But this also proves one thing.  Without the Reapers, Synthetics will not attempt to wipe out Organics.  Once the Quarians stopped shooting at them and ran away, the Geth ceased fire and started cleaning up the mess!

Oh duh. I was conflating the two wars into one in my mind.

As you said, it actually does provide even more evidence towards my point though.

Modifié par Hrothdane, 02 janvier 2013 - 02:16 .

[Andromidius]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

There is nothing to say that the peace  will last.  It might, it might not.

In real life you'd have a point, but this is fiction. Saying the peace might not/won't last is like saying the Salarians could just put out a new Genophage after the war. Such things don't happen in fiction.

I wouldn't put it past that scumbag Dalatrass to at least try.  Especially since she now knows the one person who would know how and be willing to cure it is now dead.

But it would take a while, and the Krogan are breeding already.  If she tried it, a new war would spark off.  And the Salarians might not have the Turians to protect them this time.

[Dwailing]

Rifneno wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
They theoretically could........ And if Wrex and Eve lose Vontrol and the Krogan go to war, guess who I'm visiting

I've actually thought about what the response might be if the krogan got out of hand after the war.  The genophage would mean that any kind of population control would have to be approached quite differently...either some refined genophage is thought up or the galaxy will literally try to obliterate the krogan.  Not a pretty picture.

The rachni could be useful allies if the krogan empire became unruly...they also have high birth rates

Not an option in my canon..... The Rachni have joined the dodo

Which makes this what, the third time the rachni have gone extinct?  No wait, 4th, the Protheans thought they wiped them out too.  Yeah, I wouldn't count on them staying dead this time either.

Honestly, I'm with Wrex on this one.  If something just stubbornly refuses to die that much, it probably deserves to live.

[byne]

Andromidius wrote...

masster blaster wrote...
It's not her fault. I was stuipd to post them, andn ow almost everyone
hates her. she was angry, and I was trying to get her back, but instead I
**** up. So please giver her a chance. she means well. Don't cast her
aside. I wanted to help her, but I ****** up. Don't write her off
please.

I shouldn't have replied, honestly.  I didn't check how far back that post was made, and I shouldn't have dug it up.

I'll let her off, but I'm still insulted.  But being insulted is part of life.

I wont post her actual PM, but she did send me one saying she didnt actually mean that and just spoke in the heat of the moment, so dont be too  insulted by it. We've all said things we dont mean when we're angry.

[Steelcan]

TheConstantOne wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
They theoretically could........ And if Wrex and Eve lose Vontrol and the Krogan go to war, guess who I'm visiting

I've actually thought about what the response might be if the krogan got out of hand after the war.  The genophage would mean that any kind of population control would have to be approached quite differently...either some refined genophage is thought up or the galaxy will literally try to obliterate the krogan.  Not a pretty picture.

The rachni could be useful allies if the krogan empire became unruly...they also have high birth rates

Not an option in my canon..... The Rachni have joined the dodo

Just got an amusing image of the Illusive Man killing the Rachni Queen off in ME 1 but knocking her really hard on the head once with a club. Thanks for that haha

haha.    "My methods are simply more refined than yours"

[byne]

Andromidius wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

There is nothing to say that the peace  will last.  It might, it might not.

In real life you'd have a point, but this is fiction. Saying the peace might not/won't last is like saying the Salarians could just put out a new Genophage after the war. Such things don't happen in fiction.

I wouldn't put it past that scumbag Dalatrass to at least try.  Especially since she now knows the one person who would know how and be willing to cure it is now dead.

But it would take a while, and the Krogan are breeding already.  If she tried it, a new war would spark off.  And the Salarians might not have the Turians to protect them this time.

Considering that the turians owe the krogan big, I'd go so far as to say they'd support them in a war against the salarians.

[Andromidius]

Rifneno wrote...

Did Wrex headbutt anyone in ME1?  I seem to recall being confused at Joker's crack about headbutting in ME2.

Nope.  Because he knew that headbutting people results in instant death, and he was behaving himself for Shepard.

[Steelcan]

Dwailing wrote...

I've concluded something. There's a reason I hate Control and Synthesis. They will ultimately lead to stagnation. Without conflict, nothing changes. Remember what the Catalyst says? "But the Reapers will be destroyed?" "Yes, but the peace, won't last." That's not a bad thing. Conflict is not a bad thing. We're in some form of conflict every day of our lives. I don't mean war. War and conflict are two different things. War is bad. Conflict is not. And even war has a place, no matter how horrible it is. Would the world be a better place if the U.S. hadn't gone to war with Germany during WW2? I don't think so. That's ultimately the reason the Catalyst is wrong. He was created to end the conflict between organics and synthetics. That's impossible. There will ALWAYS be conflict, it doesn't matter whether it's between organics and synthetics, or just between organics. And if there WAS a way to end conflict, it wouldn't be right.

Just because so etching is natural doesn't mean it's a good thing.  I like everlasting conflict in stories, but that doesn't mean it's a good thing.

[Andromidius]

Steelcan wrote...

After they killed every other quarian they got their hands on.......,

Because they wouldn't stop fighting.  And the Quarians were dropping bombs on their own people during the insanity.  Hense why Rannoch is all messed up, and the Geth were busy cleaning it up all that time.

[Rifneno]

Andromidius wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

There is nothing to say that the peace  will last.  It might, it might not.

In real life you'd have a point, but this is fiction. Saying the peace might not/won't last is like saying the Salarians could just put out a new Genophage after the war. Such things don't happen in fiction.

I wouldn't put it past that scumbag Dalatrass to at least try.  Especially since she now knows the one person who would know how and be willing to cure it is now dead.

But it would take a while, and the Krogan are breeding already.  If she tried it, a new war would spark off.  And the Salarians might not have the Turians to protect them this time.

That's why when my Shepard gets out of the rubble, he's going to find some people.  People like Dalatrass Linron.  And the asari who hid that beacon of theirs.  I will need a bigger airlock.

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

There is nothing to say that the peace  will last.  It might, it might not.

In real life you'd have a point, but this is fiction. Saying the peace might not/won't last is like saying the Salarians could just put out a new Genophage after the war. Such things don't happen in fiction.

I wouldn't put it past that scumbag Dalatrass to at least try.  Especially since she now knows the one person who would know how and be willing to cure it is now dead.

But it would take a while, and the Krogan are breeding already.  If she tried it, a new war would spark off.  And the Salarians might not have the Turians to protect them this time.

Considering that the turians owe the krogan big, I'd go so far as to say they'd support them in a war against the salarians.

I figure that turians have a limit for BS that they're willing to take.  And if the salarians go to war with the krogan again, I figure that limit will be reached.

[Steelcan]

byne wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

I wouldn't put it past that scumbag Dalatrass to at least try.  Especially since she now knows the one person who would know how and be willing to cure it is now dead.

But it would take a while, and the Krogan are breeding already.  If she tried it, a new war would spark off.  And the Salarians might not have the Turians to protect them this time.

Considering that the turians owe the krogan big, I'd go so far as to say they'd support them in a war against the salarians.

I wonder what the Asari would do......  I'm not a huge fan of them, and I doubt the Turians would be after they find out about the beacon on Thessia

[DoomsdayDevice]

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...


I know and for that I can't forgive myself.

Masster, you just need to calm down with the overdramatic 'woe is me, I shan't ever recover from such a mistake' stuff.

You made a mistake, and we all moved past it. Just relax.

Especially because just the other day, Estebanus was saying that masster was making up stories about his ancestors in WW2. So don't give me this 'boohoo people on the internet don't believe me' silliness.

I have a hard time believing that kind of reaction is coming from an officer in the army.

[Steelcan]

Andromidius wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

After they killed every other quarian they got their hands on.......,

Because they wouldn't stop fighting.  And the Quarians were dropping bombs on their own people during the insanity.  Hense why Rannoch is all messed up, and the Geth were busy cleaning it up all that time.

. Actually it makes a lot more sense for the geth to have used chemical warfare.  "Toxins on Rannoch" -Legion.  Also the war lasted a year, you can't kill billions tha quickly conventionally

Modifié par Steelcan, 02 janvier 2013 - 02:22 .

[TheConstantOne]

Dwailing wrote...

I've concluded something. There's a reason I hate Control and Synthesis. They will ultimately lead to stagnation. Without conflict, nothing changes. Remember what the Catalyst says? "But the Reapers will be destroyed?" "Yes, but the peace, won't last." That's not a bad thing. Conflict is not a bad thing. We're in some form of conflict every day of our lives. I don't mean war. War and conflict are two different things. War is bad. Conflict is not. And even war has a place, no matter how horrible it is. Would the world be a better place if the U.S. hadn't gone to war with Germany during WW2? I don't think so. That's ultimately the reason the Catalyst is wrong. He was created to end the conflict between organics and synthetics. That's impossible. There will ALWAYS be conflict, it doesn't matter whether it's between organics and synthetics, or just between organics. And if there WAS a way to end conflict, it wouldn't be right.

I agree with what you're saying but I think that Star Bieber was referring to the *inevitable* demise of organics in a conflict between organics and synthetics. 

Consider, the outcomes of Control and Synthesis and you'll see that peace and lack of conflict isn't eternal there either:

Synthesis: a massive upgrade in tech and synthetic upgrades for synthetics.  It's a new experience certainly but I can't see how a certain level of technology will prevent people from having conflict.  Life is different but the underlying currents stay the same, if you get my meaning.

Control:  I'm sure some will band together to resist the Reaptatorship.  I mean, the galaxy just fought a war to be free from Reapers and now they're being told by the Reapers, "Yeah, we don't want to kill you anymore. As long as you do what we say." ...Yup that will go over well.

So in conclusion, I believe conflict is present in all 3 literal endings...the kid just messed up how it phrased its explanation... the devious little overlord

[BleedingUranium]

byne wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

masster blaster wrote...
It's not her fault. I was stuipd to post them, andn ow almost everyone
hates her. she was angry, and I was trying to get her back, but instead I
**** up. So please giver her a chance. she means well. Don't cast her
aside. I wanted to help her, but I ****** up. Don't write her off
please.

I shouldn't have replied, honestly.  I didn't check how far back that post was made, and I shouldn't have dug it up.

I'll let her off, but I'm still insulted.  But being insulted is part of life.

I wont post her actual PM, but she did send me one saying she didnt actually mean that and just spoke in the heat of the moment, so dont be too  insulted by it. We've all said things we dont mean when we're angry.

Indeed, it's unfortunate, but natural. It seems everyone's had a pretty short fuse lately, so let's try to avoid arguing as much as possible. I for one love everyone here, so please, no more fighting.

[Andromidius]

byne wrote...

Considering that the turians owe the krogan big, I'd go so far as to say they'd support them in a war against the salarians.

Yeah.  And the Salarian Union is splintering.

Which would be an interesting sub-plot in ME4.  Side either with the Dalatrass or with the STG seperatists.

[TheConstantOne]

Steelcan wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
They theoretically could........ And if Wrex and Eve lose Vontrol and the Krogan go to war, guess who I'm visiting

I've actually thought about what the response might be if the krogan got out of hand after the war.  The genophage would mean that any kind of population control would have to be approached quite differently...either some refined genophage is thought up or the galaxy will literally try to obliterate the krogan.  Not a pretty picture.

The rachni could be useful allies if the krogan empire became unruly...they also have high birth rates

Not an option in my canon..... The Rachni have joined the dodo

Just got an amusing image of the Illusive Man killing the Rachni Queen off in ME 1 but knocking her really hard on the head once with a club. Thanks for that haha

haha.    "My methods are simply more refined than yours"

+1

[TheConstantOne]

BleedingUranium wrote...

byne wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

masster blaster wrote...
It's not her fault. I was stuipd to post them, andn ow almost everyone
hates her. she was angry, and I was trying to get her back, but instead I
**** up. So please giver her a chance. she means well. Don't cast her
aside. I wanted to help her, but I ****** up. Don't write her off
please.

I shouldn't have replied, honestly.  I didn't check how far back that post was made, and I shouldn't have dug it up.

I'll let her off, but I'm still insulted.  But being insulted is part of life.

I wont post her actual PM, but she did send me one saying she didnt actually mean that and just spoke in the heat of the moment, so dont be too  insulted by it. We've all said things we dont mean when we're angry.

Indeed, it's unfortunate, but natural. It seems everyone's had a pretty short fuse lately, so let's try to avoid arguing as much as possible. I for one love everyone here, so please, no more fighting.

Where's lex0r's thresher maw? She is needed

[Dwailing]

TheConstantOne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I've concluded something. There's a reason I hate Control and Synthesis. They will ultimately lead to stagnation. Without conflict, nothing changes. Remember what the Catalyst says? "But the Reapers will be destroyed?" "Yes, but the peace, won't last." That's not a bad thing. Conflict is not a bad thing. We're in some form of conflict every day of our lives. I don't mean war. War and conflict are two different things. War is bad. Conflict is not. And even war has a place, no matter how horrible it is. Would the world be a better place if the U.S. hadn't gone to war with Germany during WW2? I don't think so. That's ultimately the reason the Catalyst is wrong. He was created to end the conflict between organics and synthetics. That's impossible. There will ALWAYS be conflict, it doesn't matter whether it's between organics and synthetics, or just between organics. And if there WAS a way to end conflict, it wouldn't be right.

I agree with what you're saying but I think that Star Bieber was referring to the *inevitable* demise of organics in a conflict between organics and synthetics. 

Consider, the outcomes of Control and Synthesis and you'll see that peace and lack of conflict isn't eternal there either:

Synthesis: a massive upgrade in tech and synthetic upgrades for synthetics.  It's a new experience certainly but I can't see how a certain level of technology will prevent people from having conflict.  Life is different but the underlying currents stay the same, if you get my meaning.

Control:  I'm sure some will band together to resist the Reaptatorship.  I mean, the galaxy just fought a war to be free from Reapers and now they're being told by the Reapers, "Yeah, we don't want to kill you anymore. As long as you do what we say." ...Yup that will go over well.

So in conclusion, I believe conflict is present in all 3 literal endings...the kid just messed up how it phrased its explanation... the devious little overlord

I agree with what you're saying.  And I would like to add that I don't think organics would be destroyed by synthetics in Destroy.  We're, shall we say, hard to get rid of, especially if Shepard is alive to make sure everything is alright.  And if worst comes to worst, we can always build another Crucible.

[Rifneno]

TheConstantOne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

byne wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

masster blaster wrote...
It's not her fault. I was stuipd to post them, andn ow almost everyone
hates her. she was angry, and I was trying to get her back, but instead I
**** up. So please giver her a chance. she means well. Don't cast her
aside. I wanted to help her, but I ****** up. Don't write her off
please.

I shouldn't have replied, honestly.  I didn't check how far back that post was made, and I shouldn't have dug it up.

I'll let her off, but I'm still insulted.  But being insulted is part of life.

I wont post her actual PM, but she did send me one saying she didnt actually mean that and just spoke in the heat of the moment, so dont be too  insulted by it. We've all said things we dont mean when we're angry.

Indeed, it's unfortunate, but natural. It seems everyone's had a pretty short fuse lately, so let's try to avoid arguing as much as possible. I for one love everyone here, so please, no more fighting.

Where's lex0r's thresher maw? She is needed

I agree.  We feed the heretics to a thresher maw.

[BansheeOwnage]

Hey, 401, CT you guys still here? DD you want to join us?

[BleedingUranium]

Rifneno wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

There is nothing to say that the peace  will last.  It might, it might not.

In real life you'd have a point, but this is fiction. Saying the peace might not/won't last is like saying the Salarians could just put out a new Genophage after the war. Such things don't happen in fiction.

I wouldn't put it past that scumbag Dalatrass to at least try.  Especially since she now knows the one person who would know how and be willing to cure it is now dead.

But it would take a while, and the Krogan are breeding already.  If she tried it, a new war would spark off.  And the Salarians might not have the Turians to protect them this time.

That's why when my Shepard gets out of the rubble, he's going to find some people.  People like Dalatrass Linron.  And the asari who hid that beacon of theirs.  I will need a bigger airlock.

There were only two times I felt my Shepard acted in a way I didn't want him to: Joker's joke after Thessia, but we all know why that was, and not being able to even get mad at Linron, and that's ignoring everything else I'd want done to her.

[BansheeOwnage]

Andromidius wrote...

byne wrote...

Considering that the turians owe the krogan big, I'd go so far as to say they'd support them in a war against the salarians.

Yeah.  And the Salarian Union is splintering.

Which would be an interesting sub-plot in ME4.  Side either with the Dalatrass or with the STG seperatists.

Easier then deciding whether or not to cure the genophage when Wrex and Eve are alive.