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[Steelcan]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
I can go into detail, but it would probably be really boring.....

But there's a reason my avatar is
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You can't say that and then not tell us

I really really like the idea of Control.  Putting Shepard in a in Control of the Reapers do to as he sees fit.  I think that TIM man's vision of humanity leading the galaxy by leading the reapers was a good one.  My Shepard has been consistently pro-human in ME, despite saving the council, but that's another story.

however the method of implementation for Control makes me sick.  Grabbing two electrical knobs doesn't scream "Control". It screams "Suicide".  I ink Control should have been grounded in the research at Sanctuary, using a signal to put reaper forces under Control.  Magnified and broadcasted by the Crucible (it looks like a microphone) it would be the alternative to Destroy, the option we've known about in ME3.  The end would have been a showdown similar to what we got, but with the option to side with TIM.  Instead we got Synthesis and The Catalyst

[BleedingUranium]

Andromidius wrote...

Because Martin Sheen is amazing?

Seriously, the only good thing about the newest Spiderman movie.  Martin Sheen acting his ass off to try and save that movie.  And they kill him off. 

That's how much I hate that goddamn movie.

I liked it, regardless of him 

Actually, I can probably credit all the liking it to Emma Stone

[Dwailing]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Because Martin Sheen is amazing?

Seriously, the only good thing about the newest Spiderman movie.  Martin Sheen acting his ass off to try and save that movie.  And they kill him off. 

That's how much I hate that goddamn movie.

I liked it, regardless of him 

Actually, I can probably credit all the liking it to Emma Stone

I still need to see the new Spidey, but I have to admit that Emma Stone... well, let's just say that she's quite a looker.

[Steelcan]

We all know Martin Sheen's best movie is Apocalypse Now

[BleedingUranium]

It's amazing how much the Shepard/Anderson/TIM trio is exactly the same as the Frodo/Sam/Gollum trio in Lord of the Rings. Down to Gollum/TIM (well, Cerberus) being only seen a little and mentioned in the first act, playing a major role as your guide that helps and is not trusted by Sam/Anderson, and finally turing evil again at the very end of the second act.

I really want TIM's true end to be like Gollum's, Shepard suffering from indoctrination, at least partially, and TIM's lust for power actually causes him to save Shepard, and die in the process.

[Andromidius]

Dwailing wrote...

I still need to see the new Spidey, but I have to admit that Emma Stone... well, let's just say that she's quite a looker.

Still a terrible movie.  I couldn't stop sighing constantly while watching it, which was bothering my friends (who all liked it, but couldn't say why).  The plot is trite, the acting is inconsistant, the camera is all over the place and there are so many clichés I lost count.  And the movie is completely unnecessary.  We already have recent Spiderman movies.

[Steelcan]

BleedingUranium wrote...

It's amazing how much the Shepard/Anderson/TIM trio is exactly the same as the Frodo/Sam/Gollum trio in Lord of the Rings. Down to Gollum/TIM (well, Cerberus) being only seen a little and mentioned in the first act, playing a major role as your guide that helps and is not trusted by Sam/Anderson, and finally turing evil again at the very end of the second act.

I really want TIM's true end to be like Gollum's, Shepard suffering from indoctrination, at least partially, and TIM's lust for power actually causes him to save Shepard, and die in the process.

Id rather TIM not have to be reduced to a cliche death..  But I definitely see the LotR parallels

[Rifneno]

Steelcan wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
I can go into detail, but it would probably be really boring.....

But there's a reason my avatar is
<----

You can't say that and then not tell us

I really really like the idea of Control.  Putting Shepard in a in Control of the Reapers do to as he sees fit.  I think that TIM man's vision of humanity leading the galaxy by leading the reapers was a good one.  My Shepard has been consistently pro-human in ME, despite saving the council, but that's another story.

however the method of implementation for Control makes me sick.  Grabbing two electrical knobs doesn't scream "Control". It screams "Suicide".  I ink Control should have been grounded in the research at Sanctuary, using a signal to put reaper forces under Control.  Magnified and broadcasted by the Crucible (it looks like a microphone) it would be the alternative to Destroy, the option we've known about in ME3.  The end would have been a showdown similar to what we got, but with the option to side with TIM.  Instead we got Synthesis and The Catalyst

That assumes control is possible.  If control was a serious possibility, why would the Reapers encourage indoctrinated tools like TIM or his Prothean counterparts to study it?  It seems to me they encourage because they know it's impossible and organics chasing that goal are only dividing the Reapers' opposition and helping making the Reapers' victory easier.

I mean aside from Starbrat, we've never had any indication that the Reapers are controlled at all.  "We are each a nation.  Independent."  And even if we take the bratalyst at its word and assume there is a controlling force to the Reapers, it's almost certainly done via QEC.  QEC is not a type of transmission you can screw with.  Not even the Reapers can scramble it to block out organic transmissions like they can with all other forms of long distance communication.

[Steelcan]

Rifneno wrote...
That assumes control is possible.  If control was a serious possibility, why would the Reapers encourage indoctrinated tools like TIM or his Prothean counterparts to study it?  It seems to me they encourage because they know it's impossible and organics chasing that goal are only dividing the Reapers' opposition and helping making the Reapers' victory easier.

I mean aside from Starbrat, we've never had any indication that the Reapers are controlled at all.  "We are each a nation.  Independent."  And even if we take the bratalyst at its word and assume there is a controlling force to the Reapers, it's almost certainly done via QEC.  QEC is not a type of transmission you can screw with.  Not even the Reapers can scramble it to block out organic transmissions like they can with all other forms of long distance communication.

After Sanctuary, and I know a lot of people will disagree, I think control is shown to be possible.  It seemed to me that the whole mission was designed to show that TIM knows what he is talking about and will achieve his goal, in the most horrific way possible.  

As for what controls the reapers, I think it's something more along the lines of the Reapers being given general orders and told to accomplish them.  They aren't under direct control of the Catalyst.  And you can also think of this an override of the Catalyst. Drown out the Catalyst.  But I thought this all up before the Catalyst existed.

 I think the most likely explanation for TIm is that TIM is resisting Indoctrination and succeeding.

[Andromidius]

Steelcan wrote...

After Sanctuary, and I know a lot of people will disagree, I think control is shown to be possible.  It seemed to me that the whole mission was designed to show that TIM knows what he is talking about and will achieve his goal, in the most horrific way possible. 

It shows they can interfere and temporarily take control of Husks.  Not Reapers.

And that backfires when the Husks begin killing all Cerberus personnel.

TIM is deluded. 

[byne]

Steelcan wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
That assumes control is possible.  If control was a serious possibility, why would the Reapers encourage indoctrinated tools like TIM or his Prothean counterparts to study it?  It seems to me they encourage because they know it's impossible and organics chasing that goal are only dividing the Reapers' opposition and helping making the Reapers' victory easier.

I mean aside from Starbrat, we've never had any indication that the Reapers are controlled at all.  "We are each a nation.  Independent."  And even if we take the bratalyst at its word and assume there is a controlling force to the Reapers, it's almost certainly done via QEC.  QEC is not a type of transmission you can screw with.  Not even the Reapers can scramble it to block out organic transmissions like they can with all other forms of long distance communication.

After Sanctuary, and I know a lot of people will disagree, I think control is shown to be possible.  It seemed to me that the whole mission was designed to show that TIM knows what he is talking about and will achieve his goal, in the most horrific way possible.  

As for what controls the reapers, I think it's something more along the lines of the Reapers being given general orders and told to accomplish them.  They aren't under direct control of the Catalyst.  And you can also think of this an override of the Catalyst. Drown out the Catalyst.  But I thought this all up before the Catalyst existed.

 I think the most likely explanation for TIm is that TIM is resisting Indoctrination and succeeding.

So what you're saying is not even godchild can control the Reapers, but Shepard and TIM totally could?

[Steelcan]

Andromidius wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
After Sanctuary, and I know a lot of people will disagree, I think control is shown to be possible.  It seemed to me that the whole mission was designed to show that TIM knows what he is talking about and will achieve his goal, in the most horrific way possible. 

It shows they can interfere and temporarily take control of Husks.  Not Reapers.

And that backfires when the Husks begin killing all Cerberus personnel.

TIM is deluded. 

. The only difference is scale.  And those reaper troops attacked, they weren't Cerberus husks gone rogue.  

And before you ask why Cerberus didnt jus Introl the attacking reapers, they probably moved the device/tech offsite ASAP.

[Steelcan]

byne wrote...

After Sanctuary, and I know a lot of people will disagree, I think control is shown to be possible.  It seemed to me that the whole mission was designed to show that TIM knows what he is talking about and will achieve his goal, in the most horrific way possible.  

As for what controls the reapers, I think it's something more along the lines of the Reapers being given general orders and told to accomplish them.  They aren't under direct control of the Catalyst.  And you can also think of this an override of the Catalyst. Drown out the Catalyst.  But I thought this all up before the Catalyst existed.

 I think the most likely explanation for TIm is that TIM is resisting Indoctrination and succeeding.

So what you're saying is not even godchild can control the Reapers, but Shepard and TIM totally could?

Again, I thought this up before I knew about Glowstick.  But I don't see why you can't override his control in any case.

[CoolioThane]

**** control, **** synthesis. **** refuse. Destroy.

[Andromidius]

Steelcan wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
After Sanctuary, and I know a lot of people will disagree, I think control is shown to be possible.  It seemed to me that the whole mission was designed to show that TIM knows what he is talking about and will achieve his goal, in the most horrific way possible. 

It shows they can interfere and temporarily take control of Husks.  Not Reapers.

And that backfires when the Husks begin killing all Cerberus personnel.

TIM is deluded. 

. The only difference is scale.  And those reaper troops attacked, they weren't Cerberus husks gone rogue.  

And before you ask why Cerberus didnt jus Introl the attacking reapers, they probably moved the device/tech offsite ASAP.

No.  That's like saying the difference between a weapon and the warrior is scale.

Husks are weapons.  Reapers are completely different to their Husk forces.

And considering Cerberus didn't move its chief researcher, you know the guy who's supposed to be finding out how to control the Reapers, was left behind to die.

Modifié par Andromidius, 02 janvier 2013 - 03:11 .

[Steelcan]

Andromidius wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
 The only difference is scale.  And those reaper troops attacked, they weren't Cerberus husks gone rogue.  
And before you ask why Cerberus didnt jus Introl the attacking reapers, they probably moved the device/tech offsite ASAP.

No.  That's like saying the difference between a weapon and the warrior is scale.

Husks are weapons.  Reapers are completely different to their Husk forces.

And considering Cerberus didn't move its chief researcher, you know the guy who's supposed to be finding out how to control the Reapers, was left behind to die.

Lawson served his purpose, he was unnecessary.  And the weapon warrior analogy doesn't work.  You can't take control of a sword.  But you can brainwash the bearer.

[Hrothdane]

Exactly, Andromidius.

Hell, even just scale can affect how things work completely. Square cube law, anyone?

[Steelcan]

CoolioThane wrote...

**** control, **** synthesis. **** refuse. Destroy.

I agree.

this is what I wanted/expected.  In the end I chose Destroy

[Hanako Ikezawa]

@byne
Technically your KS picture is, just letting you know.

@masster
"Why do we fall? We fall so we can learn to pick ourselves up."

[Steelcan]

I knew this was going to happen.

[byne]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

@byne
Technically your KS picture is, just letting you know.

KS is not made or animated by japanese people, so it is not technically anime.

[draconian139]

Like Steelcan after Sanctuary I was left with the impression that control was possible although I felt that it was ambiguous whether it was actually achieved or not. Prior to this mission I HATED Cerberus and TIM, ME2 royally ticked me off in many ways, I would have turned the Normandy over to Ashley and the Alliance on Horizon. I thought that TIM was an utter fool to believe that he could ever control the reapers right up until Sanctuary.

The Reapers attacking their base changed my opinion on the feasibility of control, if it wasn't possible and the Reapers were secure in this knowledge why would they do this? Just leave the foolish humans to their delusions, it only makes things easier for the Reapers. It left me with the impression that either Cerberus succeeded or that they got close enough to give the Reapers a scare.

[Hrothdane]

byne wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

@byne
Technically your KS picture is, just letting you know.

KS is not made or animated by japanese people, so it is not technically anime.

It's this.

[byne]

draconian139 wrote...

Like Steelcan after Sanctuary I was left with the impression that control was possible although I felt that it was ambiguous whether it was actually achieved or not. Prior to this mission I HATED Cerberus and TIM, ME2 royally ticked me off in many ways, I would have turned the Normandy over to Ashley and the Alliance on Horizon. I thought that TIM was an utter fool to believe that he could ever control the reapers right up until Sanctuary.

The Reapers attacking their base changed my opinion on the feasibility of control, if it wasn't possible and the Reapers were secure in this knowledge why would they do this? Just leave the foolish humans to their delusions, it only makes things easier for the Reapers. It left me with the impression that either Cerberus succeeded or that they got close enough to give the Reapers a scare.

If the Reapers really thought Sanctuary was a threat, they'd have obliterated it from orbit, not sent in a bunch of footsoldiers.