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[Steelcan]

byne wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

I don't know why Kasumi was ever a squad member. Her strength is in her stealth. Not needing to fight. Shepard's squad is fighting 25 hours a day.

Never got her or Zaeed

You didnt get Zaeed? Did you buy the game used or something?

Borrowed and never returned

[draconian139]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

Like Steelcan after Sanctuary I was left with the impression that control was possible although I felt that it was ambiguous whether it was actually achieved or not. Prior to this mission I HATED Cerberus and TIM, ME2 royally ticked me off in many ways, I would have turned the Normandy over to Ashley and the Alliance on Horizon. I thought that TIM was an utter fool to believe that he could ever control the reapers right up until Sanctuary.

The Reapers attacking their base changed my opinion on the feasibility of control, if it wasn't possible and the Reapers were secure in this knowledge why would they do this? Just leave the foolish humans to their delusions, it only makes things easier for the Reapers. It left me with the impression that either Cerberus succeeded or that they got close enough to give the Reapers a scare.

It left me thinking that it's a ruse. They only sacrificed some ground troops. Husks. Byne already said the reapers would obliterate the facility from orbit if it was actually a threat. I mean, the reapers know exactly what TIM is doing, he's indoctrinated! Something the Child said is actually true. "He could never have taken control because we already controlled him." Control is too vague and ambiguous to trust. The risk it too high, even if indoctrinated agents didn't want to do it.

Perhaps its a ruse, perhaps not.  I still feel that it wasn't but entirely understand your viewpoint. Regardless Control in the ending is not an option that I ever even remotely considered taking, I went with destroy initially although that's only because refuse wasn't an option at that point.  I've actually had real nightmares of the ending where my Shepard destroys the console for the actual weapon due to hallucinations and thinking he's destroying the Reapers by shooting the console.  Was pretty freaked out by them when I woke up.

[lex0r11]

Rifneno wrote...

I don't know why Kasumi was ever a squad member. Her strength is in her stealth. Not needing to fight. Shepard's squad is fighting 25 hours a day.

Infiltration units are not redundant in a military force. Shepards team is just a downsized version of an army IMO.
If they had incorporated here from the beginning the suicide mission or anything before could've had parts we're an infiltrator was best suited for.

I mean sure, Thane was a combat specialized infiltrator, were Kasumi was the hacking type.

Modifié par lex0r11, 02 janvier 2013 - 05:05 .

[Humakt83]

Rifneno wrote...

I don't know why Kasumi was ever a squad member. Her strength is in her stealth. Not needing to fight. Shepard's squad is fighting 25 hours a day.

Did you ever use Shadow Strike?

[TheConstantOne]

Andromidius wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
After Sanctuary, and I know a lot of people will disagree, I think control is shown to be possible.  It seemed to me that the whole mission was designed to show that TIM knows what he is talking about and will achieve his goal, in the most horrific way possible. 

It shows they can interfere and temporarily take control of Husks.  Not Reapers.

And that backfires when the Husks begin killing all Cerberus personnel.

TIM is deluded. 

. The only difference is scale.  And those reaper troops attacked, they weren't Cerberus husks gone rogue.  

And before you ask why Cerberus didnt jus Introl the attacking reapers, they probably moved the device/tech offsite ASAP.

No.  That's like saying the difference between a weapon and the warrior is scale.

Husks are weapons.  Reapers are completely different to their Husk forces.

And considering Cerberus didn't move its chief researcher, you know the guy who's supposed to be finding out how to control the Reapers, was left behind to die.

Actually the Reapers might be "just weapons" and the Catalyst is the "warrior".  It is perfectly possible that the Reapers are just husks of the Leviathans.  However, as the Leviathans have significantly advanced intelligence compared to us, their Reapers would seem like fully functional AIs to us, and not animlaistic as husks seems to us.

I remember I made this argument before.  Not many people agreed with me but nothing concrete was ever put forward to prove it was wrong.

In short, if the Reapers are just weapons then there should be a way to control them...in theory. Now, in practice is quite a different trick

[Andromidius]

TheConstantOne wrote...
Actually the Reapers might be "just weapons" and the Catalyst is the "warrior".  It is perfectly possible that the Reapers are just husks of the Leviathans.  However, as the Leviathans have significantly advanced intelligence compared to us, their Reapers would seem like fully functional AIs to us, and not animlaistic as husks seems to us.

I remember I made this argument before.  Not many people agreed with me but nothing concrete was ever put forward to prove it was wrong.

In short, if the Reapers are just weapons then there should be a way to control them...in theory. Now, in practice is quite a different trick

If there is such a thing as The Catalyst, its more akin to the General leading an army.

[TheConstantOne]

Andromidius wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...
Actually the Reapers might be "just weapons" and the Catalyst is the "warrior".  It is perfectly possible that the Reapers are just husks of the Leviathans.  However, as the Leviathans have significantly advanced intelligence compared to us, their Reapers would seem like fully functional AIs to us, and not animlaistic as husks seems to us.

I remember I made this argument before.  Not many people agreed with me but nothing concrete was ever put forward to prove it was wrong.

In short, if the Reapers are just weapons then there should be a way to control them...in theory. Now, in practice is quite a different trick

If there is such a thing as The Catalyst, its more akin to the General leading an army.

The Catalyst directs the Reapers on where to deploy and the Reapers then direct the lesser husks.

The Reapers could be viewed as a type of specialized husk, akin to how the Marauder is specialized for fire support and local husk squad control.  The Reaper role is primarily harvesting, space combat, and to serve as control antennae for the lesser husk hordes. 

On the note of "control antennae" I think the codex notes that a lot of Reaper tech has the potential to indoctrinate.  It is quite possible that all husks have this control/indoctrinate ability but their size difference makes their signals significantly weaker compared to a Reaper signal

[BansheeOwnage]

draconian139 wrote...
I've actually had real nightmares of the ending where my Shepard destroys the console for the actual weapon due to hallucinations and thinking he's destroying the Reapers by shooting the console.  Was pretty freaked out by them when I woke up.

Wow. Looks like IT was proven. In real life though!

[Andromidius]

TheConstantOne wrote...

The Catalyst directs the Reapers on where to deploy and the Reapers then direct the lesser husks.

The Reapers could be viewed as a type of specialized husk, akin to how the Marauder is specialized for fire support and local husk squad control.  The Reaper role is primarily harvesting, space combat, and to serve as control antennae for the lesser husk hordes. 

On the note of "control antennae" I think the codex notes that a lot of Reaper tech has the potential to indoctrinate.  It is quite possible that all husks have this control/indoctrinate ability but their size difference makes their signals significantly weaker compared to a Reaper signal

Reapers are independant and capable of individual thoughts.  Husks are mindless slaves. 

So sorry, but no. 

[TheConstantOne]

Humakt83 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

I don't know why Kasumi was ever a squad member. Her strength is in her stealth. Not needing to fight. Shepard's squad is fighting 25 hours a day.

Did you ever use Shadow Strike?

Funny thing: I was looking at your sig and I remembered when I first heard that Harbinger quote.  I thought Harbinger had said, "Your worlds will become our lavatories."  Depending on your perspective of the Reaper invasion, that can still be an apt description haha

[Fur28]

Humakt83 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

I don't know why Kasumi was ever a squad member. Her strength is in her stealth. Not needing to fight. Shepard's squad is fighting 25 hours a day.

Did you ever use Shadow Strike?

+1
Favorite squadmate power, in ME3 for me techs types were important in gameplay, Tali´s combat drone was very useful on insanity, also overloads on other characters, Shadow Strike would´ve been just as useful.
Also Infiltritators are good on military teams.

[Rifneno]

TheConstantOne wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

I don't know why Kasumi was ever a squad member. Her strength is in her stealth. Not needing to fight. Shepard's squad is fighting 25 hours a day.

Did you ever use Shadow Strike?

Funny thing: I was looking at your sig and I remembered when I first heard that Harbinger quote.  I thought Harbinger had said, "Your worlds will become our lavatories."  Depending on your perspective of the Reaper invasion, that can still be an apt description haha

What a crappy analogy.

[TheConstantOne]

Andromidius wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

The Catalyst directs the Reapers on where to deploy and the Reapers then direct the lesser husks.

The Reapers could be viewed as a type of specialized husk, akin to how the Marauder is specialized for fire support and local husk squad control.  The Reaper role is primarily harvesting, space combat, and to serve as control antennae for the lesser husk hordes. 

On the note of "control antennae" I think the codex notes that a lot of Reaper tech has the potential to indoctrinate.  It is quite possible that all husks have this control/indoctrinate ability but their size difference makes their signals significantly weaker compared to a Reaper signal

Reapers are independant and capable of individual thoughts.  Husks are mindless slaves. 

So sorry, but no. 

This is the response I got before haha.  Like I said, a really stupid Leviathan could still come across as very intelligent in human terms.  It's a matter of perspective... the capabilities of the Reapers might be only a shadow of the thought capacity of an actual Leviathan.  From their point of view, the Reapers could be seen as mindless.  Certainly they viewed creatures with our capabilities as inferior.

So hate to disappoint you but given what we know of the Leviathans, this is still an open question. Take it however you want, it's an academic question that we will never get an answer to

[TheConstantOne]

Rifneno wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

I don't know why Kasumi was ever a squad member. Her strength is in her stealth. Not needing to fight. Shepard's squad is fighting 25 hours a day.

Did you ever use Shadow Strike?

Funny thing: I was looking at your sig and I remembered when I first heard that Harbinger quote.  I thought Harbinger had said, "Your worlds will become our lavatories."  Depending on your perspective of the Reaper invasion, that can still be an apt description haha

What a crappy analogy.

Ahaha agreed

[BansheeOwnage]

Rifneno wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

I don't know why Kasumi was ever a squad member. Her strength is in her stealth. Not needing to fight. Shepard's squad is fighting 25 hours a day.

Did you ever use Shadow Strike?

Funny thing: I was looking at your sig and I remembered when I first heard that Harbinger quote.  I thought Harbinger had said, "Your worlds will become our lavatories."  Depending on your perspective of the Reaper invasion, that can still be an apt description haha

What a crappy analogy.

Nice. Subtle.

@Constant I think Levis are too small to be reaper husks.

Edit: Poorly phrased, but I'm sure you understand it.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 02 janvier 2013 - 05:24 .

[TheConstantOne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

I don't know why Kasumi was ever a squad member. Her strength is in her stealth. Not needing to fight. Shepard's squad is fighting 25 hours a day.

Did you ever use Shadow Strike?

Funny thing: I was looking at your sig and I remembered when I first heard that Harbinger quote.  I thought Harbinger had said, "Your worlds will become our lavatories."  Depending on your perspective of the Reaper invasion, that can still be an apt description haha

What a crappy analogy.

Nice. Subtle.

@Constant I think Levis are too small to be reaper husks.

I thought they were about the same size and we only saw the top of them from our submersible walker?

Edit: Yes, I understand your phrasing.  Most other husks are comparable to to their associated species in scale since they are, well, made from them. 

But Reapers are organic-sapient constructs, the same as the husks are.  And if the Reapers are truly independent and have their programmed goals...why need a Catalyst or Harbinger to lead them?  Their subservience to Harbinger is implied to go beyond mere military coordination

Modifié par TheConstantOne, 02 janvier 2013 - 05:28 .

[TheConstantOne]

*double post*

Modifié par TheConstantOne, 02 janvier 2013 - 05:24 .

[draconian139]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

draconian139 wrote...
I've actually had real nightmares of the ending where my Shepard destroys the console for the actual weapon due to hallucinations and thinking he's destroying the Reapers by shooting the console.  Was pretty freaked out by them when I woke up.

Wow. Looks like IT was proven. In real life though!

Lol, I was just saying why I personally don't choose destroy anymore not saying that a dream of mine should be viewed as having some kind of authority to anyone else.  I really hope it didn't come across that way.  Every time I think about shooting the tube I worry that Shepard is unwittingly sabotaging a device crucial to the war effort rather than breaking indoctrination.  Telling Starbrat to go f itself because I think its a nothing but a lying piece of code seems like it would be at least as successful as destroy in resisting indoctrination.  That's just me though. 

[Humakt83]

TheConstantOne wrote...

Funny thing: I was looking at your sig and I remembered when I first heard that Harbinger quote.  I thought Harbinger had said, "Your worlds will become our lavatories."  Depending on your perspective of the Reaper invasion, that can still be an apt description haha

Sounds like a new theory.

It's not like you can crap in deep space, you might accidentally float on your pile. And they've been holding it for 50 000 years.

Now I know what the Reaper horn sounds are.

[Humakt83]

draconian139 wrote...
Perhaps its a ruse, perhaps not.  I still feel that it wasn't but entirely understand your viewpoint. Regardless Control in the ending is not an option that I ever even remotely considered taking, I went with destroy initially although that's only because refuse wasn't an option at that point.  I've actually had real nightmares of the ending where my Shepard destroys the console for the actual weapon due to hallucinations and thinking he's destroying the Reapers by shooting the console.  Was pretty freaked out by them when I woke up.

Hmm.

Destroy: Destroy the controls.
Control: Use the controls to do something. Possibly horrible.
Refuse: Choose to remain on the floor bleeding out.



Synthesis: Jump off the platform.

Modifié par Humakt83, 02 janvier 2013 - 05:37 .

[BansheeOwnage]

TheConstantOne wrote...

I thought they were about the same size and we only saw the top of them from our submersible walker?

Sorry it took so long. As you can see, they are big, but nowhere near 2km.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 02 janvier 2013 - 05:44 .

[BansheeOwnage]

magnetite wrote...

I had a dream last night that had lots of inconsistencies and stuff that didn't make sense. Kind of like how some viewed the ending from a literal standpoint.

Proof that the ending is dreeeeaaamyyy!

[Steelcan]

magnetite wrote...

I had a dream last night that had lots of inconsistencies and stuff that didn't make sense. Kind of like how some viewed the ending from a literal standpoint.

Sorry some of us don't please you

[draconian139]

Humakt83 wrote...

draconian139 wrote...
Perhaps its a ruse, perhaps not.  I still feel that it wasn't but entirely understand your viewpoint. Regardless Control in the ending is not an option that I ever even remotely considered taking, I went with destroy initially although that's only because refuse wasn't an option at that point.  I've actually had real nightmares of the ending where my Shepard destroys the console for the actual weapon due to hallucinations and thinking he's destroying the Reapers by shooting the console.  Was pretty freaked out by them when I woke up.

Hmm.

Destroy: Destroy the controls.
Control: Use the controls to do something. Possibly horrible.
Refuse: Choose to remain on the floor bleeding out.



Synthesis: Jump off the platform.

Yes, that's exactly the interpretation of that scene that I have.