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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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[quote]estebanus wrote...

[quote]BansheeOwnage wrote...

[quote]estebanus wrote...

Doesn't exactly matter, as it's a deleted scene. It isn't part of the game. As such, you can't exactly cite it as evidence.
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actually omega at one point was a deleted section of the game. Look what happened to it

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Hey, Im back from the most depressing part of New Years: taking down Christmas stuff.

I agree with Dwailing's position on bringing up negatives. We must learn and adapt to them. Its the only way this theory will grow.


+1 on the Christmas thing

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Doesn't exactly matter, as it's a deleted scene. It isn't part of the game. As such, you can't exactly cite it as evidence.


actually omega at one point was a deleted section of the game. Look what happened to it


Which deleted scene are these quotes referring to?

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If destroy is wrong, I don't wanna be right. I could sit there for hours just watching ghostie disintegrate after the second gunshot. It's beautiful. Truly beautiful.

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draconian139 wrote...

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draconian139 wrote...
Perhaps its a ruse, perhaps not.  I still feel that it wasn't but entirely understand your viewpoint. Regardless Control in the ending is not an option that I ever even remotely considered taking, I went with destroy initially although that's only because refuse wasn't an option at that point.  I've actually had real nightmares of the ending where my Shepard destroys the console for the actual weapon due to hallucinations and thinking he's destroying the Reapers by shooting the console.  Was pretty freaked out by them when I woke up.


Hmm.

Destroy: Destroy the controls.
Control: Use the controls to do something. Possibly horrible.
Refuse: Choose to remain on the floor bleeding out.



Synthesis: Jump off the platform.




Yes, that's exactly the interpretation of that scene that I have.

BIG GUN

destroy. shoot the power supply
control.  bridge that circuit and BOOM
synthesis.  commit suicide 

refusal.  do nothing.  which to be fair could be the best answer.....as could shooting the power supply.

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magnetite wrote...

I had a dream last night that had lots of inconsistencies and stuff that didn't make sense. Kind of like how some viewed the ending from a literal standpoint.

You sure you woke up? Posted Image

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Hey, Im back from the most depressing part of New Years: taking down Christmas stuff.

I agree with Dwailing's position on bringing up negatives. We must learn and adapt to them. Its the only way this theory will grow.


+1 on the Christmas thing

Why would you ever take them down? Posted Image

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Rifneno wrote...

If destroy is wrong, I don't wanna be right. I could sit there for hours just watching ghostie disintegrate after the second gunshot. It's beautiful. Truly beautiful.

+1

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paxxton wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Hey, Im back from the most depressing part of New Years: taking down Christmas stuff.

I agree with Dwailing's position on bringing up negatives. We must learn and adapt to them. Its the only way this theory will grow.


+1 on the Christmas thing

Why would you ever take them down? Posted Image

Because old tree is ugly and deserved to be put out of it´s misery

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dorktainian wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

draconian139 wrote...
Perhaps its a ruse, perhaps not.  I still feel that it wasn't but entirely understand your viewpoint. Regardless Control in the ending is not an option that I ever even remotely considered taking, I went with destroy initially although that's only because refuse wasn't an option at that point.  I've actually had real nightmares of the ending where my Shepard destroys the console for the actual weapon due to hallucinations and thinking he's destroying the Reapers by shooting the console.  Was pretty freaked out by them when I woke up.


Hmm.

Destroy: Destroy the controls.
Control: Use the controls to do something. Possibly horrible.
Refuse: Choose to remain on the floor bleeding out.



Synthesis: Jump off the platform.




Yes, that's exactly the interpretation of that scene that I have.

BIG GUN

destroy. shoot the power supply
control.  bridge that circuit and BOOM
synthesis.  commit suicide 

refusal.  do nothing.  which to be fair could be the best answer.....as could shooting the power supply.

What if I choose all options at once? Will the reality collapse or a black hole open?

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Fur28 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Hey, Im back from the most depressing part of New Years: taking down Christmas stuff.

I agree with Dwailing's position on bringing up negatives. We must learn and adapt to them. Its the only way this theory will grow.


+1 on the Christmas thing

Why would you ever take them down? Posted Image

Because old tree is ugly and deserved to be put out of it´s misery

Well, yeah, some trees get old fast. I hope mine will stand strong for a bit longer.

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What if I choose all options at once? Will the reality collapse or a black hole open?

Cut a hand and put in on the Control thingies, jump in the Synthesis beam while shoot mid-air to the Destory tube?

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paxxton wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

draconian139 wrote...
Perhaps its a ruse, perhaps not.  I still feel that it wasn't but entirely understand your viewpoint. Regardless Control in the ending is not an option that I ever even remotely considered taking, I went with destroy initially although that's only because refuse wasn't an option at that point.  I've actually had real nightmares of the ending where my Shepard destroys the console for the actual weapon due to hallucinations and thinking he's destroying the Reapers by shooting the console.  Was pretty freaked out by them when I woke up.


Hmm.

Destroy: Destroy the controls.
Control: Use the controls to do something. Possibly horrible.
Refuse: Choose to remain on the floor bleeding out.



Synthesis: Jump off the platform.




Yes, that's exactly the interpretation of that scene that I have.

BIG GUN

destroy. shoot the power supply
control.  bridge that circuit and BOOM
synthesis.  commit suicide 

refusal.  do nothing.  which to be fair could be the best answer.....as could shooting the power supply.

What if I choose all options at once? Will the reality collapse or a black hole open?

maybe a bioware equivelent of BSOD?

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paxxton wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Hey, Im back from the most depressing part of New Years: taking down Christmas stuff.

I agree with Dwailing's position on bringing up negatives. We must learn and adapt to them. Its the only way this theory will grow.


+1 on the Christmas thing

Why would you ever take them down? Posted Image

Because old tree is ugly and deserved to be put out of it´s misery

Well, yeah, some trees get old fast. I hope mine will stand strong for a bit longer.

It wont:crying:, here take this Lancer and take the tree to the backyard, better end it before you get to attached to it

Modifié par Fur28, 02 janvier 2013 - 06:40 .


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Fur28 wrote...

paxxton wrote...
What if I choose all options at once? Will the reality collapse or a black hole open?

Cut a hand and put in on the Control thingies, jump in the Synthesis beam while shoot mid-air to the Destory tube?

Still need a way to refuse the choice. Posted Image Maybe I should shout "I'll die free." while falling into the beam.

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paxxton wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

paxxton wrote...
What if I choose all options at once? Will the reality collapse or a black hole open?

Cut a hand and put in on the Control thingies, jump in the Synthesis beam while shoot mid-air to the Destory tube?

Still need a way to refuse the choice. Posted Image Maybe I should shout "I'll die free." while falling into the beam.

LOL, imagined half shepard´s face painted blue

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

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Also I'm a bit suprised that I found my name on that Indoctrinationist list from page 3000.

*Checks list for the first time*
*Sees he is not on the list*
This is an outrage.
*Hides in his corner and cries himself to sleep*


That isn't the only inaccuracy of the list. I'm guessing 70% of the people on that list turned literalist after EC came out. It still lists estebanus and megumi as indoctrinationists, for one.


maybe it is just bad writing lol :P or perhaps there is a greater message left within the wall of text that tells us about the ME ending!  *speculqtes away*. It's indoctrination my dear Shepard, indoctrination I saw

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Fur28 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Hey, Im back from the most depressing part of New Years: taking down Christmas stuff.

I agree with Dwailing's position on bringing up negatives. We must learn and adapt to them. Its the only way this theory will grow.


+1 on the Christmas thing

Why would you ever take them down? Posted Image

Because old tree is ugly and deserved to be put out of it´s misery

Well, yeah, some trees get old fast. I hope mine will stand strong for a bit longer.

It wont:crying:, here take this Lancer and take the tree to the backyard, better end it before you get to attached to it

Oh, I'm not attached to it. How would I be able to post here otherwise? Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image It has water to drink but I guess 1-2 weeks is going to be all that it can stand.

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paxxton wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

paxxton wrote...
What if I choose all options at once? Will the reality collapse or a black hole open?

Cut a hand and put in on the Control thingies, jump in the Synthesis beam while shoot mid-air to the Destory tube?

Still need a way to refuse the choice. Posted Image Maybe I should shout "I'll die free." while falling into the beam.


Toss a grenade at Starbinger's feet before you jump in the Sarenbeam.

SO BE IT.

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paxxton wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Hey, Im back from the most depressing part of New Years: taking down Christmas stuff.

I agree with Dwailing's position on bringing up negatives. We must learn and adapt to them. Its the only way this theory will grow.


+1 on the Christmas thing

Why would you ever take them down? Posted Image

Because old tree is ugly and deserved to be put out of it´s misery

Well, yeah, some trees get old fast. I hope mine will stand strong for a bit longer.

It wont:crying:, here take this Lancer and take the tree to the backyard, better end it before you get to attached to it

Oh, I'm not attached to it. How would I be able to post here otherwise? Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image It has water to drink but I guess 1-2 weeks is going to be all that it can stand.

with a Laptop;)
Damn you english language for not being talked that much in my country, even though it´s one of the more used globally and the fact that i live next to the USA border, Damn you and your words like attachment

Modifié par Fur28, 02 janvier 2013 - 06:50 .


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MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

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Believing the Leviathans 100% is almost as folly as trusting the Child 100%. Besides, the Child gives a different motivation. He was created to stop conflict between organics and synthetics specifically. And why don't the reapers preserve synthetics?

Yes, because it was the reason for organics being destroyed. They build synthetics which kills them, as Leviathan said in one of his first statements.
There is no mention if they do or if they don't. Some parts of the synthetics could be integrated into the Reaper of that cycle.

Leviathan was written after the end. Why not have it say "We created an intelligence to halt the conflict between organics and synthetics" or something, just to be consistent? Also something I thought of:

I don't usually preserve life by putting them into starships, but when I do, I use them as cannon fodder.[/b]

But it's already consistent. The devs said more then once that usually no Reaper is ever destroyed in a Cycle.

To add from someone's idea. They said if Harbinger was the only true reaper the rest are just slaves. So if we assume harbinger is the only reaper and all the rest are husks of one variety or another all controlled by harbinger then what the devs said about no reapers ever being destroyed holds true. 

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Believing the Leviathans 100% is almost as folly as trusting the Child 100%. Besides, the Child gives a different motivation. He was created to stop conflict between organics and synthetics specifically. And why don't the reapers preserve synthetics?

Yes, because it was the reason for organics being destroyed. They build synthetics which kills them, as Leviathan said in one of his first statements.
There is no mention if they do or if they don't. Some parts of the synthetics could be integrated into the Reaper of that cycle.

Leviathan was written after the end. Why not have it say "We created an intelligence to halt the conflict between organics and synthetics" or something, just to be consistent? Also something I thought of:

I don't usually preserve life by putting them into starships, but when I do, I use them as cannon fodder.[/b]

But it's already consistent. The devs said more then once that usually no Reaper is ever destroyed in a Cycle.

To add from someone's idea. They said if Harbinger was the only true reaper the rest are just slaves. So if we assume harbinger is the only reaper and all the rest are husks of one variety or another all controlled by harbinger then what the devs said about no reapers ever being destroyed holds true. 


They never said it to begin with.

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Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

paxxton wrote...
What if I choose all options at once? Will the reality collapse or a black hole open?

Cut a hand and put in on the Control thingies, jump in the Synthesis beam while shoot mid-air to the Destory tube?

Still need a way to refuse the choice. Posted Image Maybe I should shout "I'll die free." while falling into the beam.


Toss a grenade at Starbinger's feet before you jump in the Sarenbeam.

SO BE IT.

Not sure if anything like that would work. He's not really there. A ghost, remember?

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Fur28 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Hey, Im back from the most depressing part of New Years: taking down Christmas stuff.

I agree with Dwailing's position on bringing up negatives. We must learn and adapt to them. Its the only way this theory will grow.


+1 on the Christmas thing

Why would you ever take them down? Posted Image

Because old tree is ugly and deserved to be put out of it´s misery

Well, yeah, some trees get old fast. I hope mine will stand strong for a bit longer.

It wont:crying:, here take this Lancer and take the tree to the backyard, better end it before you get to attached to it

Oh, I'm not attached to it. How would I be able to post here otherwise? Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image It has water to drink but I guess 1-2 weeks is going to be all that it can stand.

with a Laptop;)
Damn you english language for not being talked that much in my country, even though it´s one of the more used globally and the fact that i live next to the USA border, Damn you and your words like attachment

Don't worry. I got what you meant. Posted Image

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paxxton wrote...

Rifneno wrote...


Toss a grenade at Starbinger's feet before you jump in the Sarenbeam.

SO BE IT.

Not sure if anything like that would work. He's not really there. A ghost, remember?


It activates refuse if you shoot with the carnipredati--whatever the **** it is.