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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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paxxton

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Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rifneno wrote...


Toss a grenade at Starbinger's feet before you jump in the Sarenbeam.

SO BE IT.

Not sure if anything like that would work. He's not really there. A ghost, remember?


It activates refuse if you shoot with the carnipredati--whatever the **** it is.

Posted Image True. But what if the Catalyst doesn't understand the message? Posted Image

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IIRC it's Carnipredatifex.

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paxxton wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rifneno wrote...


Toss a grenade at Starbinger's feet before you jump in the Sarenbeam.

SO BE IT.

Not sure if anything like that would work. He's not really there. A ghost, remember?


It activates refuse if you shoot with the carnipredati--whatever the **** it is.

Posted Image True. But what if the Catalyst doesn't understand the message? Posted Image


Explosives are a universal language.

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paxxton wrote...

IIRC it's Carnipredatifex.

Carnipredifexator. Get it right. Posted Image

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Hey, Im back from the most depressing part of New Years: taking down Christmas stuff.

I agree with Dwailing's position on bringing up negatives. We must learn and adapt to them. Its the only way this theory will grow.


+1 on the Christmas thing

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Hey, Im back from the most depressing part of New Years: taking down Christmas stuff.

I agree with Dwailing's position on bringing up negatives. We must learn and adapt to them. Its the only way this theory will grow.


+1 on the Christmas thing

Does this mean I have to take off my hat? Posted Image


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Going over the last few pages I saw Steelcan arguing for Cerberus idea of controlling the Reapers so I will just throw this out there:

The Quarians are some of the best in the Galaxy when it comes to working with tech and ever since the Geth drove them from thier homeworld they have tried to come up with a way to take it back. It took them 300 years to create a viable cyber weapon against the Geth and the Reapers made said weapon useless with some software upgrades.

The result of 300 years trying to figure out a way to defeat the Geth, an AI they themselves created, made useless in a few moments (compared to the time spent creating it) and that was not even a weapon designed to control the Geth, only make it impossible for them to fight.

Now try thinking about what it would take to control a Reaper, the ones who quite easily upgraded the Geth, an AI race with millions of years behind them and who are much more powerful than the Geth. Yet we are to believe that Cerberus could create a viable way of controlling them in just, at best, 2.5 years and that is while throwing an unbelieveable amount of resources at projects like Lazarus and the Normandy SR2.

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Going over the last few pages I saw Steelcan arguing for Cerberus idea of controlling the Reapers so I will just throw this out there:

Now try thinking about what it would take to control a Reaper, the ones who quite easily upgraded the Geth, an AI race with millions of years behind them and who are much more powerful than the Geth. Yet we are to believe that Cerberus could create a viable way of controlling them in just, at best, 2.5 years and that is while throwing an unbelieveable amount of resources at projects like Lazarus and the Normandy SR2.

Well seeing as how they threw people at the problem and did come up with a solution..... I know if I quote TIM it will just be chalked up to his indoctrination, but Im willing to argue.  "Thanks to the Prothean VI, I have what I need to make it(co trol) a reality"

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Steelcan wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Going over the last few pages I saw Steelcan arguing for Cerberus idea of controlling the Reapers so I will just throw this out there:

Now try thinking about what it would take to control a Reaper, the ones who quite easily upgraded the Geth, an AI race with millions of years behind them and who are much more powerful than the Geth. Yet we are to believe that Cerberus could create a viable way of controlling them in just, at best, 2.5 years and that is while throwing an unbelieveable amount of resources at projects like Lazarus and the Normandy SR2.

Well seeing as how they threw people at the problem and did come up with a solution..... I know if I quote TIM it will just be chalked up to his indoctrination, but Im willing to argue.  "Thanks to the Prothean VI, I have what I need to make it(co trol) a reality"


Ah yeah, the magical Prothean VI with solutions to everything :lol:

Nah that aside need I remind you that the Prothean splinter group who were the ones pursuing Indoctrination were infact Indoctrinated? Any ideas of control in a Prothean VI would logically have to come from them which makes the information...less than ideal...

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
Well seeing as how they threw people at the problem and did come up with a solution..... I know if I quote TIM it will just be chalked up to his indoctrination, but Im willing to argue.  "Thanks to the Prothean VI, I have what I need to make it(co trol) a reality"

Ah yeah, the magical Prothean VI with solutions to everything :lol:

Nah that aside need I remind you that the Prothean splinter group who were the ones pursuing Indoctrination were infact Indoctrinated? Any ideas of control in a Prothean VI would logically have to come from them which makes the information...less than ideal...

The origins of an idea should not color the idea itself.  There is nothing wrong or impossible about Control, and I will argue that until I am blue in the face.

The problem is the Catalyst and his load of crap about Control and Synthesis that makes me pick Destroy.  If Sheoard survived Control, I'd pick it in a heartbeat 

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Steelcan wrote...
The origins of an idea should not color the idea itself.


A good general position, but the narrative is clearly structured for us to assume that indoctrinated people prefer to try control, which leads to the idea that the Reapers are planting the idea as a red herring to throw them off.

Besides, the origins of the idea CLEARLY color the idea itself in this case:
Reaper tech is blue, and control is blue.

;)

Modifié par Hrothdane, 02 janvier 2013 - 08:40 .


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Hrothdane wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
The origins of an idea should not color the idea itself.


A good general position, but the narrative is clearly structured for us to assume that indoctrinated people prefer to try control, which leads to the idea that the Reapers are planting the idea as a red herring to throw them off.

Besides, the origins of the idea CLEARLY color the idea itself in this case:
Reaper tech is blue, and control is blue.
;)

And the Alliance is blue, so are the Asari.

And I would say it is a red herring, until it actually works.  

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I see it is nice a quiet-ish here today so I will ask: any new news or viable theories since the week before Christmas?* Just the cliff notes will be fine.

* been away for the holidays; first day back and catching up.

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Steelcan wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...
A good general position, but the narrative is clearly structured for us to assume that indoctrinated people prefer to try control, which leads to the idea that the Reapers are planting the idea as a red herring to throw them off.

Besides, the origins of the idea CLEARLY color the idea itself in this case:
Reaper tech is blue, and control is blue.
;)

And the Alliance is blue, so are the Asari.

And I would say it is a red herring, until it actually works.  


'Twas a joke, hence the ;) You just set it up so perfectly.

The game quiet clearly is making a statement about those people that think they can control and manipulate everything. Even should TIM "succeed" in controlling the Reapers, the story would find a way to make him lose in the end because the themes stand against him. The series is full of people thinking they have control and influence when they don't.

The zha thought they could control the zha'til.
The protheans thought they could control the rachni.
The quarians thought they could control the geth.
The salarians thought they could control the krogan.
Benezia thought she could influence Saren.
Saren thought he could influence the Reapers.
TIM thought he could control Shepard.
TIM thought he could control Miranda.
Miranda's father thought he could control her.
The Shadow Broker thought he controlled the galaxy.
The Leviathans thought they were the most powerful race.
The Reapers think they control the fate of the galaxy.
TIM thought he could control the Reapers.

The Reapers give people the illusion of power, then strip it all away in an instance. That is how they work. In a general sense in the Mass Effect universe, those with a will to control and dominate lose. It may take time, but they always lose.

That's the way it works. Rail against it all you want, but that's the way they wrote it.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

Look Megumi, I've never disliked you, but you're here saying both that Shepard could survive the Citadel explosion and that Starbinger's logic makes sense, while wearing a Seival Contolysis banner.

It's taking every last bit of my willpower to not think of you as not trolling.

The banner is just for fun, I'm serious about the other points.

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Steelcan wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
The origins of an idea should not color the idea itself.


A good general position, but the narrative is clearly structured for us to assume that indoctrinated people prefer to try control, which leads to the idea that the Reapers are planting the idea as a red herring to throw them off.

Besides, the origins of the idea CLEARLY color the idea itself in this case:
Reaper tech is blue, and control is blue.
;)

And the Alliance is blue, so are the Asari.

And I would say it is a red herring, until it actually works.

Actually the Alliance color was red in ME1 and ME2 and they just changed it in ME3. The markings on Turian stuff is also usually red.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 02 janvier 2013 - 09:25 .


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Have any of you guys noticed that on the Geth Dreadnought there was a room and when you first entered it there was a blue computer screen to the left and a redone to the right?The middle are didn't have a color and the only way the progress through the mission was by going to the red terminal and the blue and middle (Synthesis) one were dead ends?

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mass perfection wrote...

Have any of you guys noticed that on the Geth Dreadnought there was a room and when you first entered it there was a blue computer screen to the left and a redone to the right?The middle are didn't have a color and the only way the progress through the mission was by going to the red terminal and the blue and middle (Synthesis) one were dead ends?


This situation has been brought up before, but it bears repeating.

Thank you for bringing it up :happy:

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

IIRC it's Carnipredatifex.

Carnipredifexator. Get it right. Posted Image

Sorry but Carnipredatifex sounds better. Posted Image

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What the F*** happened to this thread overnight :crying:

paxxton wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Carnipredifexator. Get it right. Posted Image

Sorry but Carnipredatifex sounds better. Posted Image


But you would use the i in Carnifex twice and leave out the ator in Predator, it doesn't work that way :devil::P

edit: just noticed Carnipredifexator does that i-thingy too, darn :pinched::lol:
So the correct form is Precarnidatorfex, or Carnipredafextor, or Carprenifexdator

Modifié par Norlond, 02 janvier 2013 - 10:53 .


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^

Those names. This hurts me. :P

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Norlond wrote...

What the F*** happened to this thread overnight :crying:

paxxton wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Carnipredifexator. Get it right. Posted Image

Sorry but Carnipredatifex sounds better. Posted Image


But you would use the i in Carnifex twice and leave out the ator in Predator, it doesn't work that way :devil::P

edit: just noticed Carnipredifexator does that i-thingy too, darn :pinched::lol:
So the correct form is Precarnidatorfex, or Carnipredafextor, or Carprenifexdator


Is that some kind of space dino?

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Rosewind wrote...

[...]

Is that some kind of space dino?



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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Going over the last few pages I saw Steelcan arguing for Cerberus idea of controlling the Reapers so I will just throw this out there:

The Quarians are some of the best in the Galaxy when it comes to working with tech and ever since the Geth drove them from thier homeworld they have tried to come up with a way to take it back. It took them 300 years to create a viable cyber weapon against the Geth and the Reapers made said weapon useless with some software upgrades.

The result of 300 years trying to figure out a way to defeat the Geth, an AI they themselves created, made useless in a few moments (compared to the time spent creating it) and that was not even a weapon designed to control the Geth, only make it impossible for them to fight.

Now try thinking about what it would take to control a Reaper, the ones who quite easily upgraded the Geth, an AI race with millions of years behind them and who are much more powerful than the Geth. Yet we are to believe that Cerberus could create a viable way of controlling them in just, at best, 2.5 years and that is while throwing an unbelieveable amount of resources at projects like Lazarus and the Normandy SR2.


Very good points! And the thing about Geth is still all there in ME3, so if you really try to keep that in mind, it isn't really that big a leap anymore that Cerberus might've gottong a little tutoring from the Reapers.

And about that bolded part:
Assuming Cerberus acted here, what would the Reapers gain from killing Shepard to only later have him resurrected if TIM indeed didn't alter his personality? Maybe there is some truth in Ash's suspicion, no matter her possibly being a Reaper sleeper agent herself (see ME2's Horizon arc, her acting weird around the Proto Reaper in ME3 etc.).

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 02 janvier 2013 - 12:15 .


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I'd love to see the VS end up as a traitor/indoctrinated sleeper agent in the final ME3 dlc.

I'm already itching for a renegade interrupt...