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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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paxxton wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

@paxx

I think i missed the part in which the rest of the galaxy also agreed...

I was talking about Control.

Synthesis could also be justified by saying that Shepard was granted the power because he out of everyone made it to the end.


that still doesn't give him the right to choose for everyone.

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ElSuperGecko

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paxxton wrote...
Well, from a literal standpoint, Control is clearly the best ending.


However...

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paxxton

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Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

@paxx

I think i missed the part in which the rest of the galaxy also agreed...

I was talking about Control.

Synthesis could also be justified by saying that Shepard was granted the power because he out of everyone made it to the end.


that still doesn't give him the right to choose for everyone.

Unfortunately, in a total and ultimate war, it does.

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Mr.Racoon

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Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

@paxx

I think i missed the part in which the rest of the galaxy also agreed...

I was talking about Control.

Synthesis could also be justified by saying that Shepard was granted the power because he out of everyone made it to the end.


that still doesn't give him the right to choose for everyone.

It's Right there


---------------------> Destroy ending [Red].

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MaximizedAction

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Steelcan wrote...

Although the problem arises, what if it is a change for the better? Control makes the reapers docile. But do they have the same rights as an organic?


A great BSG-y question actually if you take the ending literal. But then Control isn't very democratic either because Reapers are supposed to be an assembly of many minds, too.

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lex0r11

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paxxton wrote...

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paxxton wrote...

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Those are actually wise words they say. But what if someone agrees to be changed, accepts it, like Shepard in the ending? Then it becomes voluntary and legitimate.


It's beside the point. It's galactic, genetic rape.

Control is not.


Control is the voluntary sacrifice of ones life to maybe change the leadership of a synthetic collective on the ambiguous promise of some god AI that waged war against all of you for 3 games.

Not even talking about the chance that it might just incorporate into one of the new reapers. trololololo, Shepard. Gotcha!

Yeah.

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Skillz1986 wrote...

Where exactly does this "europeans rune around naked" stereotypecome from? Hell i've been living in three different european countries for the past twenty six years. And i certainly did not see a lot of boobs (except thos of ocasional girlfriends). We don't have spring break!

It's a stereotype that actually only applies to the beach/lake- or riversides or other places, where people sunbathe.
Afaik, you do not see any boobs on American beaches, though that might be another stereotype.
I've seen my fair share of boobs on european beaches through the course of my life (and I'm okay with that;)).

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lex0r11 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

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Those are actually wise words they say. But what if someone agrees to be changed, accepts it, like Shepard in the ending? Then it becomes voluntary and legitimate.


It's beside the point. It's galactic, genetic rape.

Control is not.


Control is the voluntary sacrifice of ones life to maybe change the leadership of a synthetic collective on the ambiguous promise of some god AI that waged war against all of you for 3 games.

Not even talking about the chance that it might just incorporate into one of the new reapers. trololololo, Shepard. Gotcha!

Yeah.

Sure, but in the literal ending the Catalyst is trustworthy. Posted Image

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lex0r11

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paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

@paxx

I think i missed the part in which the rest of the galaxy also agreed...

I was talking about Control.

Synthesis could also be justified by saying that Shepard was granted the power because he out of everyone made it to the end.


that still doesn't give him the right to choose for everyone.

Unfortunately, in a total and ultimate war, it does.


No. Nobody should have the right.

Shepard's was always promoting self-determination for everyone.

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paxxton wrote...

Well, from a literal standpoint, Control is clearly the best ending.


Nope. Destroy is the only one that includes dead Reapers. Any ending without dead Reapers is not a good ending in any sense.

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paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...
@paxx
I think i missed the part in which the rest of the galaxy also agreed...

I was talking about Control.

Synthesis could also be justified by saying that Shepard was granted the power because he out of everyone made it to the end.


that still doesn't give him the right to choose for everyone.

Unfortunately, in a total and ultimate war, it does.

Not when the option to destroy them is staring you in the face when you have been trying for years to destroy them. He is not just compromising with the Reapers, he is achieving what they have been striving for. 

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No it does not. He still has his orders to follow. The order being "do whatever it takes to stop the reapers". From a literal point of view, the easiest option to stop them would be destroy. Everything eose involves uncertainties and risks, not to mention very questionable moral issues. Sacrifices (geth) in war are expected and widely accepted afterwards (big picture and all that). Robbing everyone of their very essence (humanity/turianity..whatever) is not.

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byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Well, from a literal standpoint, Control is clearly the best ending.


Nope. Destroy is the only one that includes dead Reapers. Any ending without dead Reapers is not a good ending in any sense.



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paxxton

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401 Kill wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...
@paxx
I think i missed the part in which the rest of the galaxy also agreed...

I was talking about Control.

Synthesis could also be justified by saying that Shepard was granted the power because he out of everyone made it to the end.


that still doesn't give him the right to choose for everyone.

Unfortunately, in a total and ultimate war, it does.

Not when the option to destroy them is staring you in the face when you have been trying for years to destroy them. He is not just compromising with the Reapers, he is achieving what they have been striving for. 

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byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Well, from a literal standpoint, Control is clearly the best ending.


Nope. Destroy is the only one that includes dead Reapers. Any ending without dead Reapers is not a good ending in any sense.


QFT.  I'd like to say in literal ending I'd pick control and fly the Reapes into the SMBH... but it's quite clear that Shepard is dead and this new AI is not Shepard.  I don't get to decide what Shepbinger does with his army of darkness.  <sigh>  Sorry, geth.

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byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Well, from a literal standpoint, Control is clearly the best ending.


Nope. Destroy is the only one that includes dead Reapers. Any ending without dead Reapers is not a good ending in any sense.

I dare to disagree.

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In defence of Destroy:
The Geth are casualties. But there are no civilian Geth, they are all enlisted soldiers, if you want to call them that. So you are not murdering cute little Geth babies in Destroy (I guess a lot of people forget that, when labeling Destroy = Genocide), but sacrificing a part of our force to end the war once and for all (comparable to Hackett's decision to sacrifice the 2nd fleet to save the 3rd and 5th).

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paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Well, from a literal standpoint, Control is clearly the best ending.


Nope. Destroy is the only one that includes dead Reapers. Any ending without dead Reapers is not a good ending in any sense.

I dare to disagree.


Well then you'd be wrong.

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No it does not. He still has his orders to follow. The order being "do whatever it takes to stop the reapers". From a literal point of view, the easiest option to stop them would be destroy. Everything eose involves uncertainties and risks, not to mention very questionable moral issues. Sacrifices (geth) in war are expected and widely accepted afterwards (big picture and all that). Robbing everyone of their very essence (humanity/turianity..whatever) is not.

Right, because geth are metal junk.

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Honestly...let's assume shepard would have survived his synthesis jump. He comes back to earth and faces a green wired hackett. Hackett would slap the living s**t out of shepard if he knew that shepard had the option to choose destroy but decided to play god instead. I would also smack him...as would the majority of the me universe. Ashley would certainly be pissed. Not to mention javk...or garus...garrus would probably never forgive you..and he's freaking dangerous. He was KILLING TIME in ME 2 after all.

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byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Well, from a literal standpoint, Control is clearly the best ending.


Nope. Destroy is the only one that includes dead Reapers. Any ending without dead Reapers is not a good ending in any sense.

I dare to disagree.


Well then you'd be wrong.

Why do you want them dead if you can make them honestly friendly?

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MaximizedAction wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Although the problem arises, what if it is a change for the better? Control makes the reapers docile. But do they have the same rights as an organic?


A great BSG-y question actually if you take the ending literal. But then Control isn't very democratic either because Reapers are supposed to be an assembly of many minds, too.

Its not difficult for me tbh.  I kill the geth and EDI without a second thought.  Enslaving the reapers isn't much better.

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@paxx
i never said that
I would also pick destroy if it were asari instead of geht. If they were metal junk..i would not have saved them im the first place

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no one in the right mind would live along side the reapers after what they have done

these arent some chavs who got caught shop lifting, they are a race of space faring death machines hell bend of slaughtering the galaxy every 50k years. they must die, any scenario in which they are still alive is far, far too risky