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[Andromidius]

Restrider wrote...

In defence of Destroy:
The Geth are casualties. But there are no civilian Geth, they are all enlisted soldiers, if you want to call them that. So you are not murdering cute little Geth babies in Destroy (I guess a lot of people forget that, when labeling Destroy = Genocide), but sacrificing a part of our force to end the war once and for all (comparable to Hackett's decision to sacrifice the 2nd fleet to save the 3rd and 5th).

Not to mention they've stated they are perfectly willing to die rather then serve the Reapers again.

Destroying the Reapers ends a billion-year old threat to all lifeforms.  Not even a threat, a promise and guarentee of horrific murder on an unimaginable scale.  I'd wipe out the whole damn galaxy to end that*, and let life coming afterwards be free from their evil.

The Geth and EDI?  A small price to pay.

* Even Garrus says he'd consider it victory if they defeated the Reapers with only a single person left alive at the end.  And he's rather idealistic at heart.

Modifié par Andromidius, 02 janvier 2013 - 08:35 .

[Steelcan]

Restrider wrote...

In defence of Destroy:
The Geth are casualties. But there are no civilian Geth, they are all enlisted soldiers, if you want to call them that. So you are not murdering cute little Geth babies in Destroy (I guess a lot of people forget that, when labeling Destroy = Genocide), but sacrificing a part of our force to end the war once and for all (comparable to Hackett's decision to sacrifice the 2nd fleet to save the 3rd and 5th).

Never thought I'd defend the geth.

its still a betrayal no matter which way you cut it, and you are still exterminating a race of sapient beings

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

Why do you want them dead if you can make them honestly friendly?

Because I dont want to be friends with mass muderers. The Reapers dont deserve mercy. They deserve to die.

[paxxton]

Restrider wrote...

In defence of Destroy:
The Geth are casualties. But there are no civilian Geth, they are all enlisted soldiers, if you want to call them that. So you are not murdering cute little Geth babies in Destroy (I guess a lot of people forget that, when labeling Destroy = Genocide), but sacrificing a part of our force to end the war once and for all (comparable to Hackett's decision to sacrifice the 2nd fleet to save the 3rd and 5th).

They aren't soldiers. They are geth. AIs. They may be perceived as soldiers but they are not. Their programming is flexible so they can assume any desired social roles.

[Dwailing]

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Well, from a literal standpoint, Control is clearly the best ending.

Nope. Destroy is the only one that includes dead Reapers. Any ending without dead Reapers is not a good ending in any sense.

I dare to disagree.

Well then you'd be wrong.

Why do you want them dead if you can make them honestly friendly?

If you could make Josef Mengele honestly friendly would that make up for his crimes?

Edit: Yup, Godwin's Law strikes again! 

Modifié par Dwailing, 02 janvier 2013 - 08:39 .

[Andromidius]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Why do you want them dead if you can make them honestly friendly?

Because I dont want to be friends with mass muderers. The Reapers dont deserve mercy. They deserve to die.

Not to mention there's nothing that says they are friendly at all.  Merely controlled by something claiming to be derived from Shepard's memories.

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Why do you want them dead if you can make them honestly friendly?

Because I dont want to be friends with mass muderers. The Reapers dont deserve mercy. They deserve to die.

But you need to see past the superficial form. It's the thinking that is murderous, not the shell.

[byne]

Steelcan wrote...

Restrider wrote...

In defence of Destroy:
The Geth are casualties. But there are no civilian Geth, they are all enlisted soldiers, if you want to call them that. So you are not murdering cute little Geth babies in Destroy (I guess a lot of people forget that, when labeling Destroy = Genocide), but sacrificing a part of our force to end the war once and for all (comparable to Hackett's decision to sacrifice the 2nd fleet to save the 3rd and 5th).

Never thought I'd defend the geth.

its still a betrayal no matter which way you cut it, and you are still exterminating a race of sapient beings

Coming from someone who picks 99.9% paragon options, I'd exterminate every race in the current cycle if it meant the Reapers died with them.

[ElSuperGecko]

paxxton wrote...
Why do you want them dead if you can make them honestly friendly?

Because you can't make them honestly friendly.

[Rifneno]

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Why do you want them dead if you can make them honestly friendly?

Because I dont want to be friends with mass muderers. The Reapers dont deserve mercy. They deserve to die.

But you need to see past the superficial form. It's the thinking that is murderous, not the shell.

You're right.  Their insides must be destroyed.

[lex0r11]

How can you trust this thing after a couple of lines? These solutions just pop up in the last 5 minutes of this cycle? Oh, because it's Sehaprd? THey could've done it sooner, they didnÄt need Shepard. Is he/she now Space Neo? The the chosen one in a universe that always tried to explain itself wit realism?

Please.

Again. How can you trust this thing? You think Shepard would willingly risk the entire galaxy on a hunch?

[Mello]

paxxton wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

@paxx
No it does not. He still has his orders to follow. The order being "do whatever it takes to stop the reapers". From a literal point of view, the easiest option to stop them would be destroy. Everything eose involves uncertainties and risks, not to mention very questionable moral issues. Sacrifices (geth) in war are expected and widely accepted afterwards (big picture and all that). Robbing everyone of their very essence (humanity/turianity..whatever) is not.

Right, because geth are metal junk.

They are tools and benefit the organic lives. Nothing else. 

[MaximizedAction]

Btw, as a side remark, it's fascinating to see how different Shepards with different opinions and moral standpoints collide here.

[dorktainian]

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Why do you want them dead if you can make them honestly friendly?

Because I dont want to be friends with mass muderers. The Reapers dont deserve mercy. They deserve to die.

But you need to see past the superficial form. It's the thinking that is murderous, not the shell.

You're right.  Their insides must be destroyed.

[paxxton]

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Well, from a literal standpoint, Control is clearly the best ending.

Nope. Destroy is the only one that includes dead Reapers. Any ending without dead Reapers is not a good ending in any sense.

I dare to disagree.

Well then you'd be wrong.

Why do you want them dead if you can make them honestly friendly?

If you could make Josef Mengele honestly friendly would that make up for his crimes?

No. But he wouldn't be able to hurt anyone else.

[401 Kill]

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Why do you want them dead if you can make them honestly friendly?

Because I dont want to be friends with mass muderers. The Reapers dont deserve mercy. They deserve to die.

But you need to see past the superficial form. It's the thinking that is murderous, not the shell.

The Reapers are independent "Each a nation" so I don't even believe that one AI being controlling them can affect how they even think. Even if said being could even dictate the actions of all Reapers.

[Andromidius]

"Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Lusting after near Godlike power isn't healthy. Especially when its gained by sacrificing the morality of not only yourself, your species and your friends, but also all your allies and even your enemies.

[KevShep]

byne wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Restrider wrote...

In defence of Destroy:
The Geth are casualties. But there are no civilian Geth, they are all enlisted soldiers, if you want to call them that. So you are not murdering cute little Geth babies in Destroy (I guess a lot of people forget that, when labeling Destroy = Genocide), but sacrificing a part of our force to end the war once and for all (comparable to Hackett's decision to sacrifice the 2nd fleet to save the 3rd and 5th).

Never thought I'd defend the geth.

its still a betrayal no matter which way you cut it, and you are still exterminating a race of sapient beings

Coming from someone who picks 99.9% paragon options, I'd exterminate every race in the current cycle if it meant the Reapers died with them.

This^

People forget ( or are not aware of) that a future without reaper influence AT ALL is the only way for our future to be OURS.

Why would anyone want OUR races to live in the shadow of machines that killed millions of races? its like blood money!


Destory is the ONLY good ending!

Modifié par KevShep, 02 janvier 2013 - 08:42 .

[Dwailing]

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

@paxx
No it does not. He still has his orders to follow. The order being "do whatever it takes to stop the reapers". From a literal point of view, the easiest option to stop them would be destroy. Everything eose involves uncertainties and risks, not to mention very questionable moral issues. Sacrifices (geth) in war are expected and widely accepted afterwards (big picture and all that). Robbing everyone of their very essence (humanity/turianity..whatever) is not.

Right, because geth are metal junk.

They are tools and benefit the organic lives. Nothing else. 

At first I was planning to respond to this by saying that the geth are alive just like any other race and be ready to defend my standpoint with a several pages long epic struggle.  Then I saw your name. :lol:  Any seriousness I may have approached you with is gone forever.

[dorktainian]

lex0r11 wrote...

How can you trust this thing after a couple of lines? These solutions just pop up in the last 5 minutes of this cycle? Oh, because it's Sehaprd? THey could've done it sooner, they didnÄt need Shepard. Is he/she now Space Neo? The the chosen one in a universe that always tried to explain itself wit realism?

Please.

Again. How can you trust this thing? You think Shepard would willingly risk the entire galaxy on a hunch?

  

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

If you could make Josef Mengele honestly friendly would that make up for his crimes?

No. But he wouldn't be able to hurt anyone else.

He cant hurt anyone if he's dead, either.

[Rifneno]

Dwailing wrote...

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

@paxx
No it does not. He still has his orders to follow. The order being "do whatever it takes to stop the reapers". From a literal point of view, the easiest option to stop them would be destroy. Everything eose involves uncertainties and risks, not to mention very questionable moral issues. Sacrifices (geth) in war are expected and widely accepted afterwards (big picture and all that). Robbing everyone of their very essence (humanity/turianity..whatever) is not.

Right, because geth are metal junk.

They are tools and benefit the organic lives. Nothing else. 

At first I was planning to respond to this by saying that the geth are alive just like any other race and be ready to defend my standpoint with a several pages long epic struggle.  Then I saw your name. :lol:  Any seriousness I may have approached you with is gone forever.

Name?  Watch the avatar.

[Andromidius]

paxxton wrote...
No. But he wouldn't be able to hurt anyone else.

Oh, but he's forgiven for all his past crimes?  So long as he smiles and laughs and promises to be good?

No.  Destroy ends the threat.  There's no possiblity of them changing their minds again.

[Dwailing]

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Well, from a literal standpoint, Control is clearly the best ending.

Nope. Destroy is the only one that includes dead Reapers. Any ending without dead Reapers is not a good ending in any sense.

I dare to disagree.

Well then you'd be wrong.

Why do you want them dead if you can make them honestly friendly?

If you could make Josef Mengele honestly friendly would that make up for his crimes?

No. But he wouldn't be able to hurt anyone else.

You wouldn't want to see him punished for his actions?  Sometimes, we get so caught up in saving the innocent that we forget that the guilty must be punished as well.

Edit: Wow, top.

Modifié par Dwailing, 02 janvier 2013 - 08:42 .

[umadcommander]

dead reapers are how we win this