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[Argolas]

Dear ITers,

I know there is a lot of stuff going on about Wintersun's starchild. At first, I refused to believe that because I was not ready to link one of my favourite band's actual art with the crappy ME3 ending (literalist interpretation). But I listened to my old CD's again today and paid attention to the Wintersun album's lyrics. Actually, Starchild is not the only song that sounds damn close to IT. Look at "Battle against time", track No.4 (Starchild is 6).

... I'm sailing away to undiscovered seas ...

I see a golden light shining far away

I can't tell if I'll make it there someday

I reach my hands but there's no one on my path

I can't sleep 'cause my body is burning

Cold sweat, cannot breath, I'm loosing my mind

Reflection in the mirror shows a different man at night

And as hours and seconds pass by

I feel my every feeling wither and die

Do I really feel this pain

'cause sometimes I can't tell if I'm awake

Watching to the night, the hope is gone

Carrying so much burden in my heart

Watching to the night with tired eyes

Waiting for nothing all my life

Battle against time

I... battle against time

I am covered with cold ice, I am flying in the black skies

Fighting everyday, but it feels like, it's just the same

Oh time... you cut my heart and soul

you carve my will and passion of life

'cause the days of emptiness are piercing through me like arrows

I feel nothing, but hate and love

So much fire inside, so much left undone

Hate&Love

... I'm sailing away and nothing will ever be the same ...

I highlighted only the parts of which I can make sense right now just after listening to it, and it's already quite a lot. I think it is pretty obvious to most of you guys what I am getting at, but before I explain, I would like to hear other thoughts. Do I have a point here?

[PsiMatrix]

byne wrote...

demersel wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Can we still discount that the actual Shadow Broker is Conrad Verner?

Funny that you mention Conrad Verner. 

Conrad Verner is THE most Fourth Wall breaking thing in the entire Mass Effect universe. 

You see - Conrad Verner - is the mirror. It is a imager of US, the player, as seen by the DEVS and the writers. Not US - the playaer who are commander shepard, but ACTUAL US the player, who sit at home, and plays Mass Effect because we want to expirience adventure and be commander Shepard. 

Theres even a moment in ME3 when Conrad implies he has a dialogue wheel. He asks Shepard the same question twice in a row, then says he likes to ask all the questions he can think of, and sometimes forgets which ones he's asked.

Let's not forget his 'Thermal Clips' easter egg too.

[demersel]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

demersel wrote...

re-watch the final dialoge with him - "conrad, why did you do that?" ))))

there you have perfect forshadowing of the IT reveal. If Conrad Verner can have a happy ending - Shepard sure can and will have it too.

And what i find even more fitting is that only a completionist will get everything out of Conrad. Beside his survival beeing based on a ME1 decision, his asset also scales with the number of Matriarch writings from ME1 you found, up to 10. Getting those means you explored just about everything in ME1.

By the way - doesn't it seem strange to ANYONE - the ammount and complexity of differentials that went into Conrad's Verner story line?? Compared to the ending Shepard got and all? 

He even apologises for accusing you of shooting him, when you didn't. 

Modifié par demersel, 02 janvier 2013 - 10:37 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

demersel wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

i think that Hackett is in charge of Cerberus....wonder if we'll get confirmation of that one?

Wait thats a theory i've never heard please elaborate.

hackett received confirmation shepard had reached the citadel.  Who would know anything happening on the Citadel?   Cerberus.  How would hackett know?  Cerberus.

Good point. Way back, when lair of the shadow broker was released there was a theory that Hackett is the real head of cerberus. Even before Arrival. 

I actually think that cerberus is in fact a triumvirate - just like the name suggests. 
Omega DLC supports this version heavily.  Petrovsky also seem to represent cerberus, but he doesn't seem to be in anyway conserned or simpathetic to what the Illusive man is doing - He basicly screams with all he does - the Illusive Man is not the boss of me. 

That is why i think that there is MUCH more to cerberus that we know. 

After all we do know that it started out as A SPLINTER BLACK OPS military group that went rouge. So - at one point they were very closely integrated into the alliance at the very top of the ranks - CIA level in fact. 

them going rouge is like entire CIA suddenly deciding that they don't really want to answer to anyone, and they know how to do things best. 

And the Key word here is actually MILITARY. Jack Harper was NEVER a military man. Not career military. 

I think of him as of the person that controls cerberus R&D branch. (And yes, he is also a reaper. )

I would place Anderson as the more likely candiate then as he is seen meeting a Cerberus operative on the Citadel in a Shadow Broker video. Of course that is likely just a undercover agent or someone defecting, but who knows?

[umadcommander]

Dwailing wrote...

Son of a bosh'tet!   Remember that little bit of faith in humanity I mentioned I had regained?  I just lost it again: http://www.gamespot....g-games-6401982

Edit: I agree with one guy, "So what is next book burning?"

this just about sums it up

[Dwailing]

demersel wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

demersel wrote...

re-watch the final dialoge with him - "conrad, why did you do that?" ))))

there you have perfect forshadowing of the IT reveal. If Conrad Verner can have a happy ending - Shepard sure can and will have it too.

And what i find even more fitting is that only a completionist will get everything out of Conrad. Beside his survival beeing based on a ME1 decision, his asset also scales with the number of Matriarch writings from ME1 you found, up to 10. Getting those means you explored just about everything in ME1.

By the way - doesn't it seem strange to ANYONE - the ammount and complexity of differentials that went into Conrad's Verner story line?? Compared to the ending Shepard got and all? 

He even apologises for accusing you of shooting him, when you didn't. 

I agree.  The rest of the game was just SO much better and deeper than the endings.  That's probably the reason I really want IT to be true.  The rest of the game and even the series gets branded as crap because of the endings.  Everyone says BioWare sold out and dumbed down the series, this would prove them wrong.

[byne]

Argolas wrote...

I highlighted only the parts of which I can make sense right now just after listening to it, and it's already quite a lot. I think it is pretty obvious to most of you guys what I am getting at, but before I explain, I would like to hear other thoughts. Do I have a point here?

Huh, those lyrics are very interesting.

The last line also made me go listen to this.

[Dwailing]

umadcommander wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Son of a bosh'tet!   Remember that little bit of faith in humanity I mentioned I had regained?  I just lost it again: http://www.gamespot....g-games-6401982

Edit: I agree with one guy, "So what is next book burning?"

this just about sums it up

Yup, that sums it up perfectly.  This is just ridiculous.  I mean come on, I'm sixteen, I've played Call of Duty, Bulletstorm, God of War, Gears of War, etc. and I have absolutely NO desire to go on a shooting spree.  It's bad parenting or preexisting conditions that cause kids to become psychos, not video games.

[dorktainian]

demersel wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

i think that Hackett is in charge of Cerberus....wonder if we'll get confirmation of that one?

Wait thats a theory i've never heard please elaborate.

hackett received confirmation shepard had reached the citadel.  Who would know anything happening on the Citadel?   Cerberus.  How would hackett know?  Cerberus.

Good point. Way back, when lair of the shadow broker was released there was a theory that Hackett is the real head of cerberus. Even before Arrival. 

I actually think that cerberus is in fact a triumvirate - just like the name suggests. 
Omega DLC supports this version heavily.  Petrovsky also seem to represent cerberus, but he doesn't seem to be in anyway conserned or simpathetic to what the Illusive man is doing - He basicly screams with all he does - the Illusive Man is not the boss of me. 

That is why i think that there is MUCH more to cerberus that we know. 

After all we do know that it started out as A SPLINTER BLACK OPS military group that went rouge. So - at one point they were very closely integrated into the alliance at the very top of the ranks - CIA level in fact. 

them going rouge is like entire CIA suddenly deciding that they don't really want to answer to anyone, and they know how to do things best. 

And the Key word here is actually MILITARY. Jack Harper was NEVER a military man. Not career military. 

I think of him as of the person that controls cerberus R&D branch. (And yes, he is also a reaper. )

yep.  the cerberus being an idea statement TIM makes.  a bit like a terrorist organisation.  you have political, military, and logistical all rolled in there as well.  Obviously TIM was an ideas man - but he was mainly involved in research and development / logistics wasn't he?.  He sat on his arse a lot.  Then look at military.  Cerberus aquires state of the art weaponry and ships.  They would need someone in earths military to ensure they got it all.  Someone right at the very top who could cover tracks and oversee cerberus activities all at the same time.  Someone who could keep an eye on Shepard.  Someone who could help him while he was with cerberus without questions being asked.

[demersel]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

I would place Anderson as the more likely candiate then as he is seen meeting a Cerberus operative on the Citadel in a Shadow Broker video. Of course that is likely just a undercover agent or someone defecting, but who knows?

Nah, that meeting most certainly had to do with the kindapping of Kahlee Sanders.   

Hackett is da man. 

How would Illusive Man be ably to make EDI out of the remeains of that AI, If it was Hackett's top secret project in the first place? How would he know that the situation is resolved if Hackett, or people around Hackett isn't involved in any way? 

The AI killed everyone on site. Shepard was asked to interfere personally by Hackett. 
Only Shepard's team went in. Shepard reported the mission done personally to Hackett. 
Also why didn't anybody ever wander why exaclty is THIS the mission that opens you up to a premium rank? ))

Modifié par demersel, 02 janvier 2013 - 10:45 .

[hermiona15]

About that tweet "High potential for tears". Well, you all probably know it aleady, but Hulick said himself that this DLC is not going to be all sad and tearful:

MDesigner wrote...

"Actually, tweets are not regulated in the way that you've described. We are just expected to exercise caution and respect non-disclosure agreements. I made one comment about just one particular piece of music being sad, and now the entire DLC is sadness apparently (not true). Obviously I didn't reveal any details about the DLC itself and no harm was done, but it's frustrating to be misquoted, so since then I've toned down my comments on the DLC until after it's fully announced and/or launched. Lesson learned!"

[Restrider]

byne wrote...

demersel wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Can we still discount that the actual Shadow Broker is Conrad Verner?

Funny that you mention Conrad Verner. 

Conrad Verner is THE most Fourth Wall breaking thing in the entire Mass Effect universe. 

You see - Conrad Verner - is the mirror. It is a imager of US, the player, as seen by the DEVS and the writers. Not US - the playaer who are commander shepard, but ACTUAL US the player, who sit at home, and plays Mass Effect because we want to expirience adventure and be commander Shepard. 

Theres even a moment in ME3 when Conrad implies he has a dialogue wheel. He asks Shepard the same question twice in a row, then says he likes to ask all the questions he can think of, and sometimes forgets which ones he's asked.

So, one question:

I get to the point where Conrad "saves" Shepard and does not die due to Jenna's intervention, then they leave.
Where/when are you able to have an actual conversation with Conrad? I cannot find him after his "bodyguard jump".

[Norlond]

byne wrote...
The last line also made me go listen to this.

Do you have another link? F***ing german copyright policy has that one blocked for me <_<

[Rifneno]

Have you guys accused Hackett of shooting JFK yet?

[byne]

Norlond wrote...

byne wrote...
The last line also made me go listen to this.

Do you have another link? F***ing german copyright policy has that one blocked for me <_<

Does this one work?

[Dwailing]

hermiona15 wrote...

About that tweet "High potential for tears". Well, you all probably know it aleady, but Hulick said himself that this DLC is not going to be all sad and tearful:

MDesigner wrote...

"Actually, tweets are not regulated in the way that you've described. We are just expected to exercise caution and respect non-disclosure agreements. I made one comment about just one particular piece of music being sad, and now the entire DLC is sadness apparently (not true). Obviously I didn't reveal any details about the DLC itself and no harm was done, but it's frustrating to be misquoted, so since then I've toned down my comments on the DLC until after it's fully announced and/or launched. Lesson learned!"

Of course it's not going to be all sad and tearful.  If it's an IT reveal, we're going to be, to quote Kaidan in the Gamer Poop video, "Dancing in the streets, hugging and ****ing."  OK, that last part might not be accurate, but the rest it is.

[demersel]

Rifneno wrote...

Have you guys accused Hackett of shooting JFK yet?

Don't be silly. We all know that It was the Comedian, who shot the JFK.  (by the way literal version of it is that it was a hit&run roadkill by a drunk biker)

Modifié par demersel, 02 janvier 2013 - 10:47 .

[Dwailing]

Restrider wrote...

byne wrote...

demersel wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Can we still discount that the actual Shadow Broker is Conrad Verner?

Funny that you mention Conrad Verner. 

Conrad Verner is THE most Fourth Wall breaking thing in the entire Mass Effect universe. 

You see - Conrad Verner - is the mirror. It is a imager of US, the player, as seen by the DEVS and the writers. Not US - the playaer who are commander shepard, but ACTUAL US the player, who sit at home, and plays Mass Effect because we want to expirience adventure and be commander Shepard. 

Theres even a moment in ME3 when Conrad implies he has a dialogue wheel. He asks Shepard the same question twice in a row, then says he likes to ask all the questions he can think of, and sometimes forgets which ones he's asked.

So, one question:

I get to the point where Conrad "saves" Shepard and does not die due to Jenna's intervention, then they leave.
Where/when are you able to have an actual conversation with Conrad? I cannot find him after his "bodyguard jump".

Um, before you complete the side quest, you just prompt him a few times.

[demersel]

Dwailing wrote...

hermiona15 wrote...

About that tweet "High potential for tears". Well, you all probably know it aleady, but Hulick said himself that this DLC is not going to be all sad and tearful:

MDesigner wrote...

"Actually, tweets are not regulated in the way that you've described. We are just expected to exercise caution and respect non-disclosure agreements. I made one comment about just one particular piece of music being sad, and now the entire DLC is sadness apparently (not true). Obviously I didn't reveal any details about the DLC itself and no harm was done, but it's frustrating to be misquoted, so since then I've toned down my comments on the DLC until after it's fully announced and/or launched. Lesson learned!"

Of course it's not going to be all sad and tearful.  If it's an IT reveal, we're going to be, to quote Kaidan in the Gamer Poop video, "Dancing in the streets, hugging and ****ing."  OK, that last part might not be accurate, but the rest it is.

We'll bang, ok? 

[Rifneno]

demersel wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Have you guys accused Hackett of shooting JFK yet?

Don't be silly. We all know that It was the Comedian, who shot the JFK.  (by the way literal version of it is that it was a hit&run roadkill by a drunk biker)

Seems legit.

[Norlond]

byne wrote...
Does this one work?

No, but I found another one 
thanks anyway

[Rifneno]

Also, damnit, how did we not have this pic posted during the holidays?

[umadcommander]

demersel wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

hermiona15 wrote...

About that tweet "High potential for tears". Well, you all probably know it aleady, but Hulick said himself that this DLC is not going to be all sad and tearful:

MDesigner wrote...

"Actually, tweets are not regulated in the way that you've described. We are just expected to exercise caution and respect non-disclosure agreements. I made one comment about just one particular piece of music being sad, and now the entire DLC is sadness apparently (not true). Obviously I didn't reveal any details about the DLC itself and no harm was done, but it's frustrating to be misquoted, so since then I've toned down my comments on the DLC until after it's fully announced and/or launched. Lesson learned!"

Of course it's not going to be all sad and tearful.  If it's an IT reveal, we're going to be, to quote Kaidan in the Gamer Poop video, "Dancing in the streets, hugging and ****ing."  OK, that last part might not be accurate, but the rest it is.

We'll bang, ok? 

will there be steak? i ****ing love steak

[umadcommander]

Rifneno wrote...

Also, damnit, how did we not have this pic posted during the holidays?

he sees you when your sleeping, he knows when your awake
Edit: great. top with this:lol:

Modifié par umadcommander, 02 janvier 2013 - 10:51 .

[MaximizedAction]

Rifneno wrote...

Also, damnit, how did we not have this pic posted during the holidays?

Actually I wanted to post it but remembered that we had it in Mark II, I think. But I might be wrong. Oh well, it is now.