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BansheeOwnage wrote...

@DD Was that pic official?


Good question, I was wondering the same thing actually.

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401 Kill wrote...

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 Ok, Rif, It is ready! Here's the downoad link www.dropbox.com/s/r641zlg8wi97qjy/hb.mpg

Merry Cristmas and a Happy New Year!


That.is.awesome. :D


What is it?

Is it okay for me to be afraid to watch the video?


Watch it.

Trust me, it's worth it.

You'll think of this everytime Rif... nah, just watch it.


Can I have it? Please? Posted Image


BansheeOwnage wrote...

demersel wrote...

Remember how if you have sex with Morinth you die? (despite the fact that she says it is safe?) - same thing happens in Control, Synthesis and Refuse.

Good point Dem. Morinth is a great test and primer for the end. And not just the sex. Before then, when you can talk to her about family and justicars. Posted Image


"I am the genetic destiny of the Asari!"

Samara says after the mission that Morinth would say anything to help her cause. No foreshadowing to be seen here, move along Posted Image

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BleedingUranium wrote...


"I am the genetic destiny of the Asari!"

Samara says after the mission that Morinth would say anything to help her cause. No foreshadowing to be seen here, move along Posted Image


Right forgot about that. Nice.

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

@everyone - ya I figured. I'll try with my computer instead later after I eat. The phone for some reason doesn't do it right. Let me try one more thing

Don't worry, I can wait and thank you for when you post them.Posted Image I wanted them for my comparison but couldn't find them so I settled for the Rachni "testing" this cycle.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

Can I have it? Please? Posted Image


You could have it with one click, if you used Firefox (and the right plugin). ;)

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

demersel wrote...

Remember how if you have sex with Morinth you die? (despite the fact that she says it is safe?) - same thing happens in Control, Synthesis and Refuse.

Good point Dem. Morinth is a great test and primer for the end. And not just the sex. Before then, when you can talk to her about family and justicars. Posted Image


"I am the genetic destiny of the Asari!"

Samara says after the mission that Morinth would say anything to help her cause. No foreshadowing to be seen here, move along Posted Image
Right forgot about that. Nice.


Harbinger also says "We are your genetic destiny" in ME2.

Modifié par Hrothdane, 03 janvier 2013 - 03:36 .


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Hrothdane wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

demersel wrote...

Remember how if you have sex with Morinth you die? (despite the fact that she says it is safe?) - same thing happens in Control, Synthesis and Refuse.

Good point Dem. Morinth is a great test and primer for the end. And not just the sex. Before then, when you can talk to her about family and justicars. Posted Image


"I am the genetic destiny of the Asari!"

Samara says after the mission that Morinth would say anything to help her cause. No foreshadowing to be seen here, move along Posted Image
Right forgot about that. Nice.


Harbinger also says "We are your genetic destiny" in ME2.


He also says "They will be as we are."

Synthesis anyone? B)

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Hrothdane wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

demersel wrote...

Remember how if you have sex with Morinth you die? (despite the fact that she says it is safe?) - same thing happens in Control, Synthesis and Refuse.

Good point Dem. Morinth is a great test and primer for the end. And not just the sex. Before then, when you can talk to her about family and justicars. Posted Image


"I am the genetic destiny of the Asari!"

Samara says after the mission that Morinth would say anything to help her cause. No foreshadowing to be seen here, move along Posted Image
Right forgot about that. Nice.


Harbinger also says "We are your genetic destiny" in ME2.

Exactly. Posted Image Great foreshadowing huh?

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Can I have it? Please? Posted Image


You could have it with one click, if you used Firefox (and the right plugin). ;)


I downloaded the video, I meant the Badger Posted Image

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This.  So much.  I spent the majority of ME2 on my first playthrough looking for a way to get away from or betray Cerberus.  I was somewhat grateful that I could blow up the collector base but being the survivor from Akuze it really broke immersion to work with them at all.


I never understood the Cerberus sympathizers.

Also, I dont like how, as far as I can remember, only Vasir ever called you out for working with Cerberus if you were the sole survivor.


And I hated how people actually thought Vasir made a decent argument.  Shepard worked with terrorists.  Vasir IS a terrorist.  That **** has no right to lecture Shepard.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

I downloaded the video, I meant the Badger Posted Image


Ahhhh. :D

Silly me. :?

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 03 janvier 2013 - 03:39 .


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Well edited out the non existent pics. Will just try later

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Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

This.  So much.  I spent the majority of ME2 on my first playthrough looking for a way to get away from or betray Cerberus.  I was somewhat grateful that I could blow up the collector base but being the survivor from Akuze it really broke immersion to work with them at all.


I never understood the Cerberus sympathizers.

Also, I dont like how, as far as I can remember, only Vasir ever called you out for working with Cerberus if you were the sole survivor.


And I hated how people actually thought Vasir made a decent argument.  Shepard worked with terrorists.  Vasir IS a terrorist.  That **** has no right to lecture Shepard.

Thank you Rif! Glad to see I'm not the only one who thought Vasir was wrong.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
And I hated how people actually thought Vasir made a decent argument.  Shepard worked with terrorists.  Vasir IS a terrorist.  That **** has no right to lecture Shepard.

Thank you Rif! Glad to see I'm not the only one who thought Vasir was wrong.

You two are not alone. When she was lecturing Shepard, I was like "You're joking, right?"

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 03 janvier 2013 - 03:48 .


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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

This.  So much.  I spent the majority of ME2 on my first playthrough looking for a way to get away from or betray Cerberus.  I was somewhat grateful that I could blow up the collector base but being the survivor from Akuze it really broke immersion to work with them at all.


I never understood the Cerberus sympathizers.

Also, I dont like how, as far as I can remember, only Vasir ever called you out for working with Cerberus if you were the sole survivor.


And I hated how people actually thought Vasir made a decent argument.  Shepard worked with terrorists.  Vasir IS a terrorist.  That **** has no right to lecture Shepard.

Thank you Rif! Glad to see I'm not the only one who thought Vasir was wrong.

You two are not alone. When she was lecturing Shepard, I was like "You're joking, right?"


I fourth this.  Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.  She blew up buildings for intel.  I killed genocidal aliens.  There's a big frakking difference.  She sold her soul, I didn't.

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Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

This.  So much.  I spent the majority of ME2 on my first playthrough looking for a way to get away from or betray Cerberus.  I was somewhat grateful that I could blow up the collector base but being the survivor from Akuze it really broke immersion to work with them at all.


I never understood the Cerberus sympathizers.

Also, I dont like how, as far as I can remember, only Vasir ever called you out for working with Cerberus if you were the sole survivor.


And I hated how people actually thought Vasir made a decent argument.  Shepard worked with terrorists.  Vasir IS a terrorist.  That **** has no right to lecture Shepard.


Yep. If TIM asked Shepard to do what Vasir did, Shepard would have punched him out and gone rogue immediately. Besides, LotSB was intended to be done after the Suicide Mission anyways, so by then Shepard has already cut ties with Cerberus.

Vasir is just an evil Shepard trying to come up with some half-assed justification. I think people only think she has a point because she died before Shepard had a chance to reply.

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

This.  So much.  I spent the majority of ME2 on my first playthrough looking for a way to get away from or betray Cerberus.  I was somewhat grateful that I could blow up the collector base but being the survivor from Akuze it really broke immersion to work with them at all.


I never understood the Cerberus sympathizers.

Also, I dont like how, as far as I can remember, only Vasir ever called you out for working with Cerberus if you were the sole survivor.


And I hated how people actually thought Vasir made a decent argument.  Shepard worked with terrorists.  Vasir IS a terrorist.  That **** has no right to lecture Shepard.

Thank you Rif! Glad to see I'm not the only one who thought Vasir was wrong.

You two are not alone. When she was lecturing Shepard, I was like "You're joking, right?"

It's a shame she died thinking she was right. I wanted to give her medigel so I could tell her off first.

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Guys. Let's face it. IT is real. There is simply no chance at all that given the ammout, the complexity of scenes in the ending sequence - and the elements that are needed to bring those scenes to life, not to mention the ammount of work - that IT, or something like IT is not intended by the writers, developers and even publishers.

You just don't make something that makes sense of every single inconsistancy and weirdness among the three 100+ hours games filled with lore to the rim, BY ACCIDENT, not meaning to, at the same time as ****ing up your own story this bad at such a crucial point in it. THIS IS SIMPLY NOT POSSIBLE.

The ending is not real. It is fact. It is still happening, it is still very important, if anything it is THE MOST important stuff that happens among the three games, but it is only happenning in Shepard's head.

And it doesn't matter if we get any more of the story in the form of DLC (which we will), or in a form of another full Mass Effect game (which we will!!!!) - or not at all (possible, but extremely unlikely - like it or not more Mass Effect IS happening. That is fact).

This is the ending. This is a beautifull ending. Really, a work of art. No sarcasm.

Hear me out on this.
Let's assume for a moment that you agree with me that IT is 100% true. That means it is all a hallucination. That means that after shooting that tube, shepard wakes up in the rubble and finds out that the fight is still very much goes on. Now tell me, with a straight face, that you have ANY doubt, that if Shepard can wake up at all, alive, and resume the fight, with entire galaxy already in the fight, with every possible ally, with all your squad's resolve unquestionable - is there ANY doubt that eventually (and relatively, very soon) - the will kill all the reapers, with their bare hands is they have to? If Shepard can survive THAT, come back from THAT, PREVAIL in THAT - there is nothing that can stop him. NOTHING.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

It's a shame she died thinking she was right. I wanted to give her medigel so I could tell her off first.


Vasir's a ****, but she's sort of the exact kind of person Shepard needs on her team. She'd have been an interesting squadmate. Someone who gets **** done no matter the cost. Like Zaeed, but interesting.

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Guys. Let's face it. IT is real. There is simply no chance at all that given the ammout, the complexity of scenes in the ending sequence - and the elements that are needed to bring those scenes to life, not to mention the ammount of work - that IT, or something like IT is not intended by the writers, developers and even publishers.

You just don't make something that makes sense of every single inconsistancy and weirdness among the three 100+ hours games filled with lore to the rim, BY ACCIDENT, not meaning to, at the same time as ****ing up your own story this bad at such a crucial point in it. THIS IS SIMPLY NOT POSSIBLE.

The ending is not real. It is fact. It is still happening, it is still very important, if anything it is THE MOST important stuff that happens among the three games, but it is only happenning in Shepard's head.

And it doesn't matter if we get any more of the story in the form of DLC (which we will), or in a form of another full Mass Effect game (which we will!!!!) - or not at all (possible, but extremely unlikely - like it or not more Mass Effect IS happening. That is fact).

This is the ending. This is a beautifull ending. Really, a work of art. No sarcasm.

Hear me out on this.
Let's assume for a moment that you agree with me that IT is 100% true. That means it is all a hallucination. That means that after shooting that tube, shepard wakes up in the rubble and finds out that the fight is still very much goes on. Now tell me, with a straight face, that you have ANY doubt, that if Shepard can wake up at all, alive, and resume the fight, with entire galaxy already in the fight, with every possible ally, with all your squad's resolve unquestionable - is there ANY doubt that eventually (and relatively, very soon) - the will kill all the reapers, with their bare hands is they have to? If Shepard can survive THAT, come back from THAT, PREVAIL in THAT - there is nothing that can stop him. NOTHING.


I'm with you 100%.

Beautifully said.

Like Javik, Shepard will rise From Ashes, as an avatar of VENGEANCE.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 03 janvier 2013 - 03:54 .


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demersel wrote...

Guys. Let's face it. IT is real. There is simply no chance at all that given the ammout, the complexity of scenes in the ending sequence - and the elements that are needed to bring those scenes to life, not to mention the ammount of work - that IT, or something like IT is not intended by the writers, developers and even publishers.

You just don't make something that makes sense of every single inconsistancy and weirdness among the three 100+ hours games filled with lore to the rim, BY ACCIDENT, not meaning to, at the same time as ****ing up your own story this bad at such a crucial point in it. THIS IS SIMPLY NOT POSSIBLE.

The ending is not real. It is fact. It is still happening, it is still very important, if anything it is THE MOST important stuff that happens among the three games, but it is only happenning in Shepard's head.

And it doesn't matter if we get any more of the story in the form of DLC (which we will), or in a form of another full Mass Effect game (which we will!!!!) - or not at all (possible, but extremely unlikely - like it or not more Mass Effect IS happening. That is fact).

This is the ending. This is a beautifull ending. Really, a work of art. No sarcasm.

Hear me out on this.
Let's assume for a moment that you agree with me that IT is 100% true. That means it is all a hallucination. That means that after shooting that tube, shepard wakes up in the rubble and finds out that the fight is still very much goes on. Now tell me, with a straight face, that you have ANY doubt, that if Shepard can wake up at all, alive, and resume the fight, with entire galaxy already in the fight, with every possible ally, with all your squad's resolve unquestionable - is there ANY doubt that eventually (and relatively, very soon) - the will kill all the reapers, with their bare hands is they have to? If Shepard can survive THAT, come back from THAT, PREVAIL in THAT - there is nothing that can stop him. NOTHING.


I completely agree!

Banshee, this needs to go on your Wall-Of-Text right now! Now! You're not doing it fast enough!

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Dwailing wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

This.  So much.  I spent the majority of ME2 on my first playthrough looking for a way to get away from or betray Cerberus.  I was somewhat grateful that I could blow up the collector base but being the survivor from Akuze it really broke immersion to work with them at all.


I never understood the Cerberus sympathizers.

Also, I dont like how, as far as I can remember, only Vasir ever called you out for working with Cerberus if you were the sole survivor.


And I hated how people actually thought Vasir made a decent argument.  Shepard worked with terrorists.  Vasir IS a terrorist.  That **** has no right to lecture Shepard.

Thank you Rif! Glad to see I'm not the only one who thought Vasir was wrong.

You two are not alone. When she was lecturing Shepard, I was like "You're joking, right?"


I fourth this.  Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.  She blew up buildings for intel.  I killed genocidal aliens.  There's a big frakking difference.  She sold her soul, I didn't.


The scene is even sweeter if you shoot the hostage. 

(or use a paragon interrupt while having done all the right renegade choices) 

"Vasir....  I let the entire council die in the battle of the citadel. I killed the very last rachni queen with my own hands, wiping an entire spiecies for good. Please tell, that your escape plan does not hinge on me not shooting the damn hostage..."

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byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

It's a shame she died thinking she was right. I wanted to give her medigel so I could tell her off first.


Vasir's a ****, but she's sort of the exact kind of person Shepard needs on her team. She'd have been an interesting squadmate. Someone who gets **** done no matter the cost. Like Zaeed, but interesting.

Zaeed is very interesting. And funny, which Vasir isn't. Posted Image

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

demersel wrote...

Guys. Let's face it. IT is real. There is simply no chance at all that given the ammout, the complexity of scenes in the ending sequence - and the elements that are needed to bring those scenes to life, not to mention the ammount of work - that IT, or something like IT is not intended by the writers, developers and even publishers.

You just don't make something that makes sense of every single inconsistancy and weirdness among the three 100+ hours games filled with lore to the rim, BY ACCIDENT, not meaning to, at the same time as ****ing up your own story this bad at such a crucial point in it. THIS IS SIMPLY NOT POSSIBLE.

The ending is not real. It is fact. It is still happening, it is still very important, if anything it is THE MOST important stuff that happens among the three games, but it is only happenning in Shepard's head.

And it doesn't matter if we get any more of the story in the form of DLC (which we will), or in a form of another full Mass Effect game (which we will!!!!) - or not at all (possible, but extremely unlikely - like it or not more Mass Effect IS happening. That is fact).

This is the ending. This is a beautifull ending. Really, a work of art. No sarcasm.

Hear me out on this.
Let's assume for a moment that you agree with me that IT is 100% true. That means it is all a hallucination. That means that after shooting that tube, shepard wakes up in the rubble and finds out that the fight is still very much goes on. Now tell me, with a straight face, that you have ANY doubt, that if Shepard can wake up at all, alive, and resume the fight, with entire galaxy already in the fight, with every possible ally, with all your squad's resolve unquestionable - is there ANY doubt that eventually (and relatively, very soon) - the will kill all the reapers, with their bare hands is they have to? If Shepard can survive THAT, come back from THAT, PREVAIL in THAT - there is nothing that can stop him. NOTHING.


I'm with you 100%.

Beautifully said.

I know I use this quote often, but it fits IT so well.

"There is no coincidence, only inevitability." - Yuko Ichihara

Edit: Top on three pages in a day. Yay!

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 03 janvier 2013 - 03:56 .


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demersel wrote...

The scene is even sweeter if you shoot the hostage. 

(or use a paragon interrupt while having done all the right renegade choices) 

"Vasir....  I let the entire council die in the battle of the citadel. I killed the very last rachni queen with my own hands, wiping an entire spiecies for good. Please tell, that your escape plan does not hinge on me not shooting the damn hostage..."


Wow, that's badass. :lol: