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[draconian139]

demersel wrote...

Guys. Let's face it. IT is real. There is simply no chance at all that given the ammout, the complexity of scenes in the ending sequence - and the elements that are needed to bring those scenes to life, not to mention the ammount of work - that IT, or something like IT is not intended by the writers, developers and even publishers.

You just don't make something that makes sense of every single inconsistancy and weirdness among the three 100+ hours games filled with lore to the rim, BY ACCIDENT, not meaning to, at the same time as ****ing up your own story this bad at such a crucial point in it. THIS IS SIMPLY NOT POSSIBLE.

The ending is not real. It is fact. It is still happening, it is still very important, if anything it is THE MOST important stuff that happens among the three games, but it is only happenning in Shepard's head.

And it doesn't matter if we get any more of the story in the form of DLC (which we will), or in a form of another full Mass Effect game (which we will!!!!) - or not at all (possible, but extremely unlikely - like it or not more Mass Effect IS happening. That is fact).

This is the ending. This is a beautifull ending. Really, a work of art. No sarcasm.

Hear me out on this.
Let's assume for a moment that you agree with me that IT is 100% true. That means it is all a hallucination. That means that after shooting that tube, shepard wakes up in the rubble and finds out that the fight is still very much goes on. Now tell me, with a straight face, that you have ANY doubt, that if Shepard can wake up at all, alive, and resume the fight, with entire galaxy already in the fight, with every possible ally, with all your squad's resolve unquestionable - is there ANY doubt that eventually (and relatively, very soon) - the will kill all the reapers, with their bare hands is they have to? If Shepard can survive THAT, come back from THAT, PREVAIL in THAT - there is nothing that can stop him. NOTHING.

I'm convinced that all the evidence is skeletal remains of the indoctrination sequence that was supposed to be in but they couldn't get to work due to technical reasons.  That said they didn't take it out and choosing to interpret it as still being indoctrination is more consistent than a literal interpretation imo, I just don't think DLC is coming to prove it right.  Well this and that Casey Hudson was playing too much Deus Ex when making the ending judging by his tweets.

[byne]

demersel wrote...

The scene is even sweeter if you shoot the hostage. 

(or use a paragon interrupt while having done all the right renegade choices) 

"Vasir....  I let the entire council die in the battle of the citadel. I killed the very last rachni queen with my own hands, wiping an entire spiecies for good. Please tell, that your escape plan does not hinge on me not shooting the damn hostage..."

The renegade persuade is just stupid. Shep talks about how Asari should stick to being dancers instead of fighting. Shepard then flips out at Joker in ME3 for making the same joke.

Modifié par byne, 03 janvier 2013 - 03:58 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I know I use this quote often, but it fits IT so well.

"There is no coincidence, only inevitability." - Yuko Ichihara

"Big picture made out of little pictures."

[Natabre]

demersel wrote...

Guys. Let's face it. IT is real. There is simply no chance at all that given the ammout, the complexity of scenes in the ending sequence - and the elements that are needed to bring those scenes to life, not to mention the ammount of work - that IT, or something like IT is not intended by the writers, developers and even publishers.

You just don't make something that makes sense of every single inconsistancy and weirdness among the three 100+ hours games filled with lore to the rim, BY ACCIDENT, not meaning to, at the same time as ****ing up your own story this bad at such a crucial point in it. THIS IS SIMPLY NOT POSSIBLE.

The ending is not real. It is fact. It is still happening, it is still very important, if anything it is THE MOST important stuff that happens among the three games, but it is only happenning in Shepard's head.

And it doesn't matter if we get any more of the story in the form of DLC (which we will), or in a form of another full Mass Effect game (which we will!!!!) - or not at all (possible, but extremely unlikely - like it or not more Mass Effect IS happening. That is fact).

This is the ending. This is a beautifull ending. Really, a work of art. No sarcasm.

Hear me out on this.
Let's assume for a moment that you agree with me that IT is 100% true. That means it is all a hallucination. That means that after shooting that tube, shepard wakes up in the rubble and finds out that the fight is still very much goes on. Now tell me, with a straight face, that you have ANY doubt, that if Shepard can wake up at all, alive, and resume the fight, with entire galaxy already in the fight, with every possible ally, with all your squad's resolve unquestionable - is there ANY doubt that eventually (and relatively, very soon) - the will kill all the reapers, with their bare hands is they have to? If Shepard can survive THAT, come back from THAT, PREVAIL in THAT - there is nothing that can stop him. NOTHING.

-slow claps- I've wanted nothing more than to see a reunion with Shepard and everyone. But this one would be 50x better...leading to a reunion, of course. XD

Suggest that idea to Bioware before they finish ME4!! Or I hope they read this!

[Dwailing]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

demersel wrote...

Guys. Let's face it. IT is real. There is simply no chance at all that given the ammout, the complexity of scenes in the ending sequence - and the elements that are needed to bring those scenes to life, not to mention the ammount of work - that IT, or something like IT is not intended by the writers, developers and even publishers.

You just don't make something that makes sense of every single inconsistancy and weirdness among the three 100+ hours games filled with lore to the rim, BY ACCIDENT, not meaning to, at the same time as ****ing up your own story this bad at such a crucial point in it. THIS IS SIMPLY NOT POSSIBLE.

The ending is not real. It is fact. It is still happening, it is still very important, if anything it is THE MOST important stuff that happens among the three games, but it is only happenning in Shepard's head.

And it doesn't matter if we get any more of the story in the form of DLC (which we will), or in a form of another full Mass Effect game (which we will!!!!) - or not at all (possible, but extremely unlikely - like it or not more Mass Effect IS happening. That is fact).

This is the ending. This is a beautifull ending. Really, a work of art. No sarcasm.

Hear me out on this.
Let's assume for a moment that you agree with me that IT is 100% true. That means it is all a hallucination. That means that after shooting that tube, shepard wakes up in the rubble and finds out that the fight is still very much goes on. Now tell me, with a straight face, that you have ANY doubt, that if Shepard can wake up at all, alive, and resume the fight, with entire galaxy already in the fight, with every possible ally, with all your squad's resolve unquestionable - is there ANY doubt that eventually (and relatively, very soon) - the will kill all the reapers, with their bare hands is they have to? If Shepard can survive THAT, come back from THAT, PREVAIL in THAT - there is nothing that can stop him. NOTHING.

I'm with you 100%.

Beautifully said.

Like Javik, Shepard will rise From Ashes, as an avatar of VENGEANCE.

I second this.  The question for me is not IF IT is real, but rather WHEN it will be confirmed so that we can stop arguing with those frakking Literalists.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I know I use this quote often, but it fits IT so well.

"There is no coincidence, only inevitability." - Yuko Ichihara

"Big picture made out of little pictures."

Who says that?

[demersel]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

It's a shame she died thinking she was right. I wanted to give her medigel so I could tell her off first.

Vasir's a ****, but she's sort of the exact kind of person Shepard needs on her team. She'd have been an interesting squadmate. Someone who gets **** done no matter the cost. Like Zaeed, but interesting.

Zaeed is very interesting. And funny, which Vasir isn't.

+1.  

In Joker's words: "Zaeed's like you, but takes checks. As long as i'm not the one paying the bills - i'm all good.:D"

[Dwailing]

Ugh, I can either have DX: IW running at my monitor's native res, or I can have anti-aliasing. Decisions, decisions...

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

It's a shame she died thinking she was right. I wanted to give her medigel so I could tell her off first.

Vasir's a ****, but she's sort of the exact kind of person Shepard needs on her team. She'd have been an interesting squadmate. Someone who gets **** done no matter the cost. Like Zaeed, but interesting.

Zaeed is very interesting. And funny, which Vasir isn't.

Nah, Zaeed sucks, and is a vastly overrated character. If it wasnt for Miranda and Jacob, he'd be my least favorite squadmate. Even below Kaidan, which is hard to manage.

[BansheeOwnage]

Natabre wrote...

-slow claps- I've wanted nothing more than to see a reunion with Shepard and everyone. But this one would be 50x better...leading to a reunion, of course. XD

Suggest that idea to Bioware before they finish ME4!! Or I hope they read this!

If there is one thread they read, I'd bet credits it's this one.

[demersel]

byne wrote...

demersel wrote...

The scene is even sweeter if you shoot the hostage. 

(or use a paragon interrupt while having done all the right renegade choices) 

"Vasir....  I let the entire council die in the battle of the citadel. I killed the very last rachni queen with my own hands, wiping an entire spiecies for good. Please tell, that your escape plan does not hinge on me not shooting the damn hostage..."

The renegade persuade is just stupid. Shep talks about how Asari should stick to being dancers instead of fighting. Shepard then flips out at Joker in ME3 for making the same joke.

Yeah, that is why, if i only have the renegade interrupt availible - i just shoot the hostage (the real renegade interrupt, and come on, I'm a trained marksman, and we live in the future, when everything is easily healed)

[byne]

demersel wrote...

byne wrote...

demersel wrote...

The scene is even sweeter if you shoot the hostage. 

(or use a paragon interrupt while having done all the right renegade choices) 

"Vasir....  I let the entire council die in the battle of the citadel. I killed the very last rachni queen with my own hands, wiping an entire spiecies for good. Please tell, that your escape plan does not hinge on me not shooting the damn hostage..."

The renegade persuade is just stupid. Shep talks about how Asari should stick to being dancers instead of fighting. Shepard then flips out at Joker in ME3 for making the same joke.

Yeah, that is why, if i only have the renegade interrupt availible - i just shoot the hostage (the real renegade interrupt, and come on, I'm a trained marksman, and we live in the future, when everything is easily healed)

I hate how paragon and renegade work in ME2. I've never once been able to be a big enough jackass throughout the game that I've had that renegade persuade available. I had to eventually youtube it to see what it was.

Also, the only hostage I ever let come to harm is the one in Thane's loyalty mission. All my renegade characters shoot him. Its great.

Modifié par byne, 03 janvier 2013 - 04:06 .

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

It's a shame she died thinking she was right. I wanted to give her medigel so I could tell her off first.

Vasir's a ****, but she's sort of the exact kind of person Shepard needs on her team. She'd have been an interesting squadmate. Someone who gets **** done no matter the cost. Like Zaeed, but interesting.

Zaeed is very interesting. And funny, which Vasir isn't.

Nah, Zaeed sucks, and is a vastly overrated character. If it wasnt for Miranda and Jacob, he'd be my least favorite squadmate. Even below Kaidan, which is hard to manage.

No, Zaeed is awesome.  As is Miranda.  Jacob and Kaidan don't suck, and I like them, even if they aren't as awesome as, say, Garrus.

[UrgedDuke]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I know I use this quote often, but it fits IT so well.

"There is no coincidence, only inevitability." - Yuko Ichihara

"Big picture made out of little pictures."

Who says that?

I hope you're kidding

[Hanako Ikezawa]

UrgedDuke wrote...
I hope you're kidding

I forgot, hence why I'm asking. I recognize it but can't place a name.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 03 janvier 2013 - 04:08 .

[byne]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I forgot, hence why I'm asking. I recognize it but can't place a name.

Professor Mordin Solus.

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

It's a shame she died thinking she was right. I wanted to give her medigel so I could tell her off first.

Vasir's a ****, but she's sort of the exact kind of person Shepard needs on her team. She'd have been an interesting squadmate. Someone who gets **** done no matter the cost. Like Zaeed, but interesting.

Zaeed is very interesting. And funny, which Vasir isn't.

Nah, Zaeed sucks, and is a vastly overrated character. If it wasnt for Miranda and Jacob, he'd be my least favorite squadmate. Even below Kaidan, which is hard to manage.

I like Kaidan a lot. Though I think Jacob is boring.

[byne]

Dwailing wrote...

No, Zaeed is awesome.  As is Miranda.  Jacob and Kaidan don't suck, and I like them, even if they aren't as awesome as, say, Garrus.

>Jacob doesnt suck

You're just objectively wrong there.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

byne wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I forgot, hence why I'm asking. I recognize it but can't place a name.

Professor Mordin Solus.

Okay, thank you for reminding me.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 03 janvier 2013 - 04:11 .

[PsiMatrix]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I know I use this quote often, but it fits IT so well.

"There is no coincidence, only inevitability." - Yuko Ichihara

"Big picture made out of little pictures."

Who says that?

Mordin Solus, ME2. He revisits it when he talks of the cure in ME3 saying he was too focused on the little pictures to see the big picture.

Edit - dang, too slow:D

Modifié par PsiMatrix, 03 janvier 2013 - 04:10 .

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I forgot, hence why I'm asking. I recognize it but can't place a name.

Professor Mordin Solus.

When does he say that? (Prepares for insults)

Nevermind. Thanks PsiMatrix.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 03 janvier 2013 - 04:11 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

PsiMatrix wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I know I use this quote often, but it fits IT so well.

"There is no coincidence, only inevitability." - Yuko Ichihara

"Big picture made out of little pictures."

Who says that?

Mordin Solus, ME2. He revisits it when he talks of the cure in ME3 saying he was too focused on the little pictures to see the big picture.

Edit - dang, too slow:D

You tried, so you still get my thanks.

[byne]

PsiMatrix wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I know I use this quote often, but it fits IT so well.

"There is no coincidence, only inevitability." - Yuko Ichihara

"Big picture made out of little pictures."

Who says that?

Mordin Solus, ME2. He revisits it when he talks of the cure in ME3 saying he was too focused on the little pictures to see the big picture.

Edit - dang, too slow:D

I dont think he ever says it in ME2. Plus in ME3 he says he was too focused on the big picture to see the little pictures. Not the other way around.

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I forgot, hence why I'm asking. I recognize it but can't place a name.

Professor Mordin Solus.

When does he say that? (Prepares for insults)

Nevermind. Thanks PsiMatrix.

He says it here.

Top.

Modifié par byne, 03 janvier 2013 - 04:13 .

[BleedingUranium]

Dwailing wrote...

No, Zaeed is awesome.  As is Miranda.  Jacob and Kaidan don't suck, and I like them, even if they aren't as awesome as, say, Garrus.

Thank you Dwailing, I agree completely.

Also, I now always think of this guy when I see your name:

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 03 janvier 2013 - 04:15 .