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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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BleedingUranium wrote...

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How many of you are still ITers?

The theory itself? IT's (excuse the pun) better than anything else out there, including the EC+Leviathan modified endings. I'll hold out until March 5, 2013. I'm still hoping I won't be forced to start subscribing to BWT at that point.


I'll be active until at least then, but it'd important to remember that IT needs no further content to be true, only to matter.

yeah but even if IT is true, it leaves the game incomplete with no ending, so some sort of reveal would be nice, or atleast to let us know what to expect

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BleedingUranium wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

How many of you are still ITers?

The theory itself? IT's (excuse the pun) better than anything else out there, including the EC+Leviathan modified endings. I'll hold out until March 5, 2013. I'm still hoping I won't be forced to start subscribing to BWT at that point.


I'll be active until at least then, but it'd important to remember that IT needs no further content to be true, only to matter.


What about proof?

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

Because I've seen a lot of posts from people in this thread that speak of indoctrination in the ending like it's a fact.

Wouldn't this mentality no longer make them an ITer because they are forgetting what the "T" in IT stands for?

it be kind of tedious to write every post making sure to write "in my opinion" or the like about indoctrination.
but yeah you´re fight it´s still a Theory not a fact or a Law

Lol IT changed to IF

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

How many of you are still ITers?


Me! Me! ME!

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

How many of you are still ITers?

The theory itself? IT's (excuse the pun) better than anything else out there, including the EC+Leviathan modified endings. I'll hold out until March 5, 2013. I'm still hoping I won't be forced to start subscribing to BWT at that point.


I'll be active until at least then, but it'd important to remember that IT needs no further content to be true, only to matter.


What about proof?


It's right there in the game, perfectly obvious. If you're talking about confirmation, that's something else. IT is a theory, just like evolution, plate tectonics, and gravity. IT is proven, just not confirmed.

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

How many of you are still ITers?

The theory itself? IT's (excuse the pun) better than anything else out there, including the EC+Leviathan modified endings. I'll hold out until March 5, 2013. I'm still hoping I won't be forced to start subscribing to BWT at that point.


I'll be active until at least then, but it'd important to remember that IT needs no further content to be true, only to matter.


What about proof?

well since the Theory states that in takes place in shepard´s mind, it´s hard to prove it or disprove it
so yeah, right now it can be said both to be true or false

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I WANT CONFORMATION! NAU!

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lex0r11 wrote...

I WANT CONFORMATION! NAU!


Most certainly! It will be glorious! Posted Image

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lex0r11 wrote...

I WANT CONFORMATION! NAU!

i want the confirmation(expansion please) to be Gud

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BleedingUranium wrote...
It's right there in the game, perfectly obvious. If you're talking about confirmation, that's something else. IT is a theory, just like evolution, plate tectonics, and gravity. IT is proven, just not confirmed.


No, there is a lot of evidence in the game. That doesn't prove anything.

Comparing IT to evolution or gravity is completely ridiculous. The massive difference being that IT is a work of fiction that can easily be proven or disproven by it's creators.

Now if God was able to come down from the heavens and prove evolution and gravity. Then you would have a good analogy.

As of today, BioWare have stated that it's a valid interpretation. But that's all it is, this means that it is not the "right" interpretation. It's just one of many.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

I WANT CONFORMATION! NAU!


Most certainly! It will be glorious! Posted Image


But I want it now! Anyone! Blur! GIVE CONFORMATION! Jade?! Rose?!

I can't take it anymore!

*lies on the floor in foetal position crying*

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Confirmation would put a lot of minds at ease.

But this wont make anyone going around now saying it's fact be anymore right than those that respect it's still just one of many interpretations. Because at the end of the day, these people still didn't know anything more than those who treated the theory as an interpretation.

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why is Hacketts Tactical display Orange when the Normandy's is Blue?  Also.. the holographic interfaces on the collector base are Green....  What gives?  

Modifié par dorktainian, 03 janvier 2013 - 10:05 .


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lex0r11 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

I WANT CONFORMATION! NAU!


Most certainly! It will be glorious! Posted Image


But I want it now! Anyone! Blur! GIVE CONFORMATION! Jade?! Rose?!

I can't take it anymore!

*lies on the floor in foetal position crying*


If our hero falls. We have no hope. Pick yourself up soldier!

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I still think the most likely method of showing IT to be true will be to have an expansion where we play as another character during the events of Priority Earth. Either as Joker in orbit or maybe even a Halo: ODST sized game where we play as one of of the MP N7s that are Anderson's team.

Eventually we'd get to the beam run, but we'd see what really happens (and what doesn't), and IT would be explained without actually having to have it said at all.

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

I WANT CONFORMATION! NAU!


Most certainly! It will be glorious! Posted Image


But I want it now! Anyone! Blur! GIVE CONFORMATION! Jade?! Rose?!

I can't take it anymore!

*lies on the floor in foetal position crying*


If our hero falls. We have no hope. Pick yourself up soldier!



FINE. I will stand up again but keep crying! I'm allowed to cry too!


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Jade8aby88 wrote...

Confirmation would put a lot of minds at ease.

But this wont make anyone going around now saying it's fact be anymore right than those that respect it's still just one of many interpretations. Because at the end of the day, these people still didn't know anything more than those who treated the theory as an interpretation.

She´s right, when i see Iters in other threads calling people idiots for not seeing the truth, they sound like Ass***** and make people hate IT, no because of the Theory but because of the people

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dorktainian wrote...

why is Hacketts Tactical display Orange when the Normandy's is Blue?  Also.. the holographic interfaces on the collector base are Green....  What gives?  


All Prothean holo tech is green, it has been since ME1. I'm not sure what you mean with Hackett though.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

why is Hacketts Tactical display Orange when the Normandy's is Blue?  Also.. the holographic interfaces on the collector base are Green....  What gives?  


All Prothean holo tech is green, it has been since ME1. I'm not sure what you mean with Hackett though.

have a look at the extended cut where hackett states someone has made it onto the citadel.  the whole display is orange....much like the normandy's in ME2.... whereas the Normandy's tactical display in ME3 is blue.

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lex0r11 wrote...

But I want it now! Anyone! Blur! GIVE CONFORMATION! Jade?! Rose?!

I can't take it anymore!

*lies on the floor in foetal position crying*


Does this prove IT?

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Fur28 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Confirmation would put a lot of minds at ease.

But this wont make anyone going around now saying it's fact be anymore right than those that respect it's still just one of many interpretations. Because at the end of the day, these people still didn't know anything more than those who treated the theory as an interpretation.

She´s right, when i see Iters in other threads calling people idiots for not seeing the truth, they sound like Ass***** and make people hate IT, no because of the Theory but because of the people


Also, people tend to differ in their definition of the word "theory". But to me, stating the IT as fact is simply wrong. This is how I see it:

That Shepard sees black oily shadows in his dreams is a fact.
That Shepard is having headaches during the TIM/Anderson convo is a fact.
That the Carnifex changes into a Predator in Destroy is a fact.
That Shepard is on his knees in scenes where he's either having a hallucination or standing in front of Reaper technology is a fact.

That Shepard is being indoctrinated by the Reapers is not a fact. And neither is IT.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 03 janvier 2013 - 10:22 .


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dorktainian wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

why is Hacketts Tactical display Orange when the Normandy's is Blue?  Also.. the holographic interfaces on the collector base are Green....  What gives?  


All Prothean holo tech is green, it has been since ME1. I'm not sure what you mean with Hackett though.

have a look at the extended cut where hackett states someone has made it onto the citadel.  the whole display is orange....much like the normandy's in ME2.... whereas the Normandy's tactical display in ME3 is blue.


I'm pretty sure the Alliance ship in the intro has orange holo panels, as do most things in ME. Orange is pretty much the standard holo colour.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

Also, people tend to differ in their definition of the word "theory". But to me, stating the IT as fact is simply wrong. This is how I see it:

That Shepard sees black oily shadows in his dreams is a fact.
That Shepard is having headaches during the TIM/Anderson convo is a fact.
That the Carnifex changes into a Predator in Destroy is a fact.
That Shepard is on his knees in scenes where he's either having a hallucination or standing in front of Reaper technology is a fact.

That Shepard is being indoctrinated by the Reapers is not a fact. And neither is IT.


To me, all of that, and the ridiculous amount of other evidence we have, proves IT. Proves, not confirms.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 03 janvier 2013 - 10:31 .


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MaximizedAction wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Confirmation would put a lot of minds at ease.

But this wont make anyone going around now saying it's fact be anymore right than those that respect it's still just one of many interpretations. Because at the end of the day, these people still didn't know anything more than those who treated the theory as an interpretation.

She´s right, when i see Iters in other threads calling people idiots for not seeing the truth, they sound like Ass***** and make people hate IT, no because of the Theory but because of the people


Also, people tend to differ in their definition of the word "theory". But to me, stating the IT as fact is simply wrong. This is how I see it:

That Shepard sees black oily shadows in his dreams is a fact.
That Shepard is having headaches during the TIM/Anderson convo is a fact.
That the Carnifex changes into a Predator in Destroy is a fact.
That Shepard is on his knees in scenes where he's either having a hallucination or standing in front of Reaper technology is a fact.

That Shepard is being indoctrinated by the Reapers is not a fact. And neither is IT.

IT has a lot of proof behind, yet it is not confirmed, Until Bioware confirms or denies IT then it´ll stop being a theory

Modifié par Fur28, 03 janvier 2013 - 10:32 .


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lex0r11 wrote...

*snip*

But I want it now! Anyone! Blur! GIVE CONFORMATION! Jade?! Rose?!

I can't take it anymore!

*lies on the floor in foetal position crying*


*holds and pats his hair*