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[demersel]

draconian139 wrote...

hmm, how about if there is no IT DLC you both pay me 100 euro?

No, that won't do, because right now, Highest EMS Destroy has the breath scene, while none of the other option has it. - so as of now, Shepard only breaks indoctrination and wakes up in high EMS destroy - that means both you and Protheans should pay me 100 euros each. 

[TheProtheans]

draconian139 wrote...

hmm, how about if there is no IT DLC you both pay me 100 euro?

No way.

[TheProtheans]

demersel wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

hmm, how about if there is no IT DLC you both pay me 100 euro?

No, that won't do, because right now, Highest EMS Destroy has the breath scene, while none of the other option has it. - so as of now, Shepard only breaks indoctrination and wakes up in high EMS destroy - that means both you and Protheans should pay me 100 euros each. 

We don't know if he broke it.
He probably thinks he did, that's what the Reapers want you to think.

[draconian139]

demersel wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

hmm, how about if there is no IT DLC you both pay me 100 euro?

No, that won't do, because right now, Highest EMS Destroy has the breath scene, while none of the other option has it. - so as of now, Shepard only breaks indoctrination and wakes up in high EMS destroy - that means both you and Protheans should pay me 100 euros each. 

That breath can be explained in other ways than breaking indoctrination.

[demersel]

TheProtheans wrote...

demersel wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

hmm, how about if there is no IT DLC you both pay me 100 euro?

No, that won't do, because right now, Highest EMS Destroy has the breath scene, while none of the other option has it. - so as of now, Shepard only breaks indoctrination and wakes up in high EMS destroy - that means both you and Protheans should pay me 100 euros each. 

We don't know if he broke it.
He probably thinks he did, that's what the Reapers want you to think.

Well for now, and if there is no further content - that as good as it gets, so for now High EMS Destroy is the best breaking indoctrination option. Until proven different by further content. If there will be any. 

So how about that bet? 

[Andromidius]

draconian139 wrote...

That breath can be explained in other ways than breaking indoctrination.

[TheProtheans]

demersel wrote...

Ok, You say that refusa puts shepard in the best position to break off the indoctrination. That is a bit vague for a solid bet, since "best" depends on a point of view. 

But let's go with it. 

If highest EMS refuse turns out te be a better option than highest EMS Destroy - i pay you 100 euro. 
If it doesn't - you pay me 100 euro. 

Let's define the "better" part than, shall we? 

"Best" isn't really vague, we just don't have the relevant info yet.

[archangel1996]

Hello people, news 'bout the dlc?

[masster blaster]

To be honest The Prothean I see Refuse as Bioware of saying F you fans that hated the three endings/ I artistic vision. More over I can not see Refuse as breaking Indoctrination. Only if they had a breath scene, or show Shepard waking up, then I will except Refuse, but if they don't, then Destroy is the breaking the Indoctrination hold on Shepard.

Also if they continue to go on in Refuse from the point where Shepard is alone, then it means that

1. They really **** up the whole end plot.
2. They are bad writers.
3. Why continue the story right there in Refuse, where as in Destroy you can kill the Reapers?
4. What if in Refuse more people die, than in Destroy ending, and that includes more of your squad mates. ( well it can go with IT as well).

Modifié par masster blaster, 03 janvier 2013 - 08:36 .

[draconian139]

Andromidius wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

That breath can be explained in other ways than breaking indoctrination.

lol, let's just say the scenario I have for it involves Shepard, hallucinations of cannibals, a bunch of dead marines, and Anderson mercifully putting him out of his misery.
 
I see the lack of a breath scene of refuse to be the reapers completely unable to use Shepard in any high functioning form so they simply stop trying and instead use the limited control they have over his brain to kill him or reduce him to a gibbering fool incapable of doing anything..

Modifié par draconian139, 03 janvier 2013 - 08:38 .

[demersel]

draconian139 wrote...

demersel wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

hmm, how about if there is no IT DLC you both pay me 100 euro?

No, that won't do, because right now, Highest EMS Destroy has the breath scene, while none of the other option has it. - so as of now, Shepard only breaks indoctrination and wakes up in high EMS destroy - that means both you and Protheans should pay me 100 euros each. 

That breath can be explained in other ways than breaking indoctrination.

It sure can, but the easiest way to expalin it is still breaking indoctrination, if only for a moment to realise that it is taking place. 

Anyway, the point is really moot, until further content is released, and as this moment High EMS destroy is the indoctrination breaking option. 

Do you wish to come on this bet or not? 

If further content is released and Destroy is proven to be NOT the best option to break off indooctrination - then i pay you 100 euros

if content is not released, or it is released and destroy is confirmed to be the best option - you pay me 100 euros

Deal? 

[demersel]

TheProtheans wrote...

demersel wrote...

Ok, You say that refusa puts shepard in the best position to break off the indoctrination. That is a bit vague for a solid bet, since "best" depends on a point of view. 

But let's go with it. 

If highest EMS refuse turns out te be a better option than highest EMS Destroy - i pay you 100 euro. 
If it doesn't - you pay me 100 euro. 

Let's define the "better" part than, shall we? 

"Best" isn't really vague, we just don't have the relevant info yet.

Ok, Best isn't vague. 
Bet or no bet? 

[draconian139]

demersel wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

demersel wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

hmm, how about if there is no IT DLC you both pay me 100 euro?

No, that won't do, because right now, Highest EMS Destroy has the breath scene, while none of the other option has it. - so as of now, Shepard only breaks indoctrination and wakes up in high EMS destroy - that means both you and Protheans should pay me 100 euros each. 

That breath can be explained in other ways than breaking indoctrination.

It sure can, but the easiest way to expalin it is still breaking indoctrination, if only for a moment to realise that it is taking place. 

Anyway, the point is really moot, until further content is released, and as this moment High EMS destroy is the indoctrination breaking option. 

Do you wish to come on this bet or not? 

If further content is released and Destroy is proven to be NOT the best option to break off indooctrination - then i pay you 100 euros

if content is not released, or it is released and destroy is confirmed to be the best option - you pay me 100 euros

Deal? 

Well seeing as I've repeatedly stated that I don't believe any future DLC is coming heck no.

Edit:any future IT DLC*, obviously more DLC is coming

Modifié par draconian139, 03 janvier 2013 - 08:39 .

[demersel]

draconian139 wrote...

Well seeing as I've repeatedly stated that I don't believe any future DLC is coming heck no.

Ok, than refuse sucks and is a very stupid thing to do. Deal with it. 

Modifié par demersel, 03 janvier 2013 - 08:40 .

[masster blaster]

TheProtheans wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

In the IT world it's very very stupid. Why should we refuse to pick Destroy, if we already know Shepard wakes up? Shepard doesn't know he/she can wake up in Destroy, yet we do. So ...

Destroy: You get the cure, and Destroy the virus, yet some of your blood cells die. If you didn't prepare your body/ took care of it, then your not going to wake up.
Refuse: you refuse to cure yourself, and die.
Control: You try to control the virus, yet in the end it is you who will lose control of your body, and mind. Then you die.
Synthesis: You put more of the virus in your body causing yourself to die.

The Catalyst became enraged because you broke their link to you.
If Refuse showed anything further, it would have ruined the surprise when Bioware revealed new content.

That's like saying Bioware didn't want to ruin the surpise in Destroy when Bioware revealed new content.

[draconian139]

demersel wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

Well seeing as I've repeatedly stated that I don't believe any future DLC is coming heck no.

Ok, than refuse sucks. Deal with it. 

Destroy sucks.  Deal with it.

lol, j/k.  Like I've said your experience with the end should be subjective to your Sheperd since its not real and can mean different things to different people.

[TheProtheans]

masster blaster wrote...

To be honest The Prothean I see Refuse as Bioware of saying F you fans that hated the three endings/ I artistic vision. More over I can not see Refuse as breaking Indoctrination. Only if they had a breath scene, or show Shepard waking up, then I will except Refuse, but if they don't, then Destroy is the breaking the Indoctrination hold on Shepard.

Also if they continue to go on in Refuse from the point where Shepard is alone, then it means that

1. They really **** up the whole end plot.
2. They are bad writers.
3. Why continue the story right there in Refuse, where as in Destroy you can kill the Reapers?
4. What if in Refuse more people die, than in Destroy ending, and that includes more of your squad mates. ( well it can go with IT as well).

Shepard is alone where? On earth, I don't see how that f**ks up the end plot.
I don't see point two and I don't understand point 3 and 4 in relation to IT in the refusal option, please explain.

I would also question if refusal puts Shepard in better shape when he wakes up.

[Jadebaby]

draconian139 wrote...
lol, j/k.  Like I've said your experience with the end should be subjective to your Sheperd since its not real and can mean different things to different people.

Best comment said in this thread for a while.

[demersel]

draconian139 wrote...

lol, j/k.  Like I've said your experience with the end should be subjective to your Sheperd since its not real and can mean different things to different people.

Well, with that point of view, there are people who like synthesis, to discuss things with, and share opinions. 

[demersel]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

draconian139 wrote...
lol, j/k.  Like I've said your experience with the end should be subjective to your Sheperd since its not real and can mean different things to different people.

Best comment said in this thread for a while.

Indeed, but it goes without saying, really, and it is certainly not the reason why people come to the forum to discuss things with other people. 

You just sit at home, content with the expirience you got, and do other things with your life. 

[TheProtheans]

masster blaster wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

In the IT world it's very very stupid. Why should we refuse to pick Destroy, if we already know Shepard wakes up? Shepard doesn't know he/she can wake up in Destroy, yet we do. So ...

Destroy: You get the cure, and Destroy the virus, yet some of your blood cells die. If you didn't prepare your body/ took care of it, then your not going to wake up.
Refuse: you refuse to cure yourself, and die.
Control: You try to control the virus, yet in the end it is you who will lose control of your body, and mind. Then you die.
Synthesis: You put more of the virus in your body causing yourself to die.

The Catalyst became enraged because you broke their link to you.
If Refuse showed anything further, it would have ruined the surprise when Bioware revealed new content.

That's like saying Bioware didn't want to ruin the surpise in Destroy when Bioware revealed new content.

The surprise of what? They fooled people into thinking it was him waking up following the literal ending, it doesn't ruin it as most people still think that.
Others speculate but have no way of knowing.
Refusal would ruin the surprise, destroy wouldn't and didn't.

[draconian139]

demersel wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

lol, j/k.  Like I've said your experience with the end should be subjective to your Sheperd since its not real and can mean different things to different people.

Well, with that point of view, there are people who like synthesis, to discuss things with, and share opinions. 

The get out of this thread I don't like your view argument again?  Oh well, at least you didn't call me stupid or retarded this time.

[cyrexwingblade]

If I had the money, I'd happily bet everyone on this page a dollar for every page of the thread that IT is not the actual story of the ending, and just a very involved head-canon that everyone latched onto because the endings were just that disappointing. Sadly, I have no such funds.

If the DLC even *touches* the ending, I'd be shocked. Ship has sailed. A disrupting, disappointing ship, but sailed nevertheless.

[masster blaster]

Remember in ME2 you have to stop synthetic that are infected with a virus that has to be Destroyed before all Synthetics are infected.

Well it so happens that Destroy is similar. Think about it. If those Synthetics had AI programming systems, and could talk. Then in a sense you are killing innocent Synthetics. Yet your doing this so that all Synthetics won't be targeted/ infected with the Virus.


What I am about to get at is....The Geth consensus mission. Shepard has to kill the infected Geth from within the Geth network. This is similar to what you did in ME2. Now at the end of ME3 we have Destroy ending which kills the Reapers, and all Synthetic life. Including Shepard.

Yet in this ending it's more of a purge the system. Think about it EDI is made up of Reaper tech. The Geth's upgrades are based off the Reaper codes. You see where I am going. No. Well......

I already said that Geth have their upgrades that are based off the Reaper codes that they used against the Geth. EDI is made up of Reaper tech, and Shepard has Indoctrination signs.

Destroy does not kill the Reapers, but more like kills the virus. Indoctrination. I mean the hold that the Reapers have on Shepard.

So it really is like.

Refuse: You refuse to give Shepard the cure, causing him/her to die.
Destroy: You give Shepard the cure, and it Destroyers the virus.
Control: You try to control the virus, only to have it take control of your body/ mind.
Synthesis: You give Shepard more of the virus. Causing Shepard to be lost forever.

Top!

Modifié par masster blaster, 03 janvier 2013 - 08:50 .

[demersel]

draconian139 wrote...

demersel wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

lol, j/k.  Like I've said your experience with the end should be subjective to your Sheperd since its not real and can mean different things to different people.

Well, with that point of view, there are people who like synthesis, to discuss things with, and share opinions. 

The get out of this thread I don't like your view argument again?  Oh well, at least you didn't call me stupid or retarded this time.

No it is not that. It is exaclty what is. Do you like synthesis?