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[The Heretic of Time]

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

ADam it I thought somebody was going to say you get the base, oh well. But I find it funny that we have a Reaper brain, um what the hell is this for. I can see the heart as a power source, but the brain no idea what it's for.

The brain is basically the organic equilivant of a processor, to put it bluntly (they are different, but they share some similarities).  So yeah, it could be used as a giant processor. Besides that, a reaper brain could be used for all sorts of things. For example, examining it, trying to find out what makes the reapers tic and use that to program the Crucible to target the reapers.

Whichever engineer thought it would be a good idea to incorporate a Reaper heart/brain into the design of the Crucible is a freakin moron.

The Crucible was finished when we assaulted Cerberus HQ. Why add more parts? Especially Reaper parts?

Who says they literally incorporated the reaper heart or brain into the Crucible design? Perhaps they just analysed the reaper heart/brain and used the info gained from analysing it to perfect the Crucible? Not everything on the War Asset list is always literally incorperated in the Crucible you know. War Assets can be many things, basically everything that assists us in our war against the reapers in some way or form.

[DirtyPhoenix]

MaximizedAction wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Macross wrote...

If
that is what bioware are doing,,, continuing the plot in some manner
through the MP while they build DLC sets and a wake up DLC then I think
it's genuise. 

Only if the DLCs are free >.> Otherwise they better get ready for another ****storm.

Well,
Leviathan adds lines to the endings, and there hasn't really been any
sh*tstorm. But I too would rather not have to pay more than for the main
game itself, to have the complete main story line. If I were rich I
wouldn't give a rat's ass, but I'm not. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/blushing.png[/smilie]

No.. but IT all the paid DLCs combined, radically changes the endings, like you people are expecting, then that is something else. :| Leviathan only adds some lines to the dialog, that's what we assume at this point. So the ending remains the same for someone without the DLC, just with less explanation. But if the DLCs together make a high-EMS refusal possible them.. Well let's just say game owners won't be very happy that they're cut out of a portion of the ending because they didn't buy enough DLCs..

Modifié par pirate1802, 09 août 2012 - 11:27 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

Infrasound.

You know, the first time I played the game and went into the Shuttle Bay, the first thing I noticed was that hum that resembles a Reaper horn.

I was wondering if that was intentional, until James commented on the hum. That really made me go 'Ahhh, so that wasn't just me! They did make it resemble a Reaper horn on purpose.'

It's funny because it seems most people here seem to have experienced it the other way round. At least, from what I've read, it seems like most people didn't notice the hum until James' comment.

So what I'm wondering is... (I asked this a few days ago, but it got ignored)

What's the status of the Infrasound discovery? Did anyone check any other scenes for infrasound? I am curious about the scenes with vent boy, particularly when he's playing in the roof garden, before the Reapers arrive. Any infrasound there?

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 09 août 2012 - 11:27 .

[Haiyato]

magnetite wrote...

I really should look into that extra content (books, comics). Might help explain some stuff for me.

The comics were pretty good imo. Evolution is definitely a good read if you want to learn more about TIM and how he got his eyes.

[MegumiAzusa]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

byne wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

ADam it I thought somebody was going to say you get the base, oh well. But I find it funny that we have a Reaper brain, um what the hell is this for. I can see the heart as a power source, but the brain no idea what it's for.

The brain is basically the organic equilivant of a processor, to put it bluntly (they are different, but they share some similarities).  So yeah, it could be used as a giant processor. Besides that, a reaper brain could be used for all sorts of things. For example, examining it, trying to find out what makes the reapers tic and use that to program the Crucible to target the reapers.

Whichever engineer thought it would be a good idea to incorporate a Reaper heart/brain into the design of the Crucible is a freakin moron.

The Crucible was finished when we assaulted Cerberus HQ. Why add more parts? Especially Reaper parts?

Who says they literally incorporated the reaper heart or brain into the Crucible design? Perhaps they just analysed the reaper heart/brain and used the info gained from analysing it to perfect the Crucible? Not everything on the War Asset list is always literally incorperated in the Crucible you know. War Assets can be many things, basically everything that assists us in our war against the reapers in some way or form.

The Brain isn't directly built in, but the Heart is.

After studying the device, Cerberus modified it to fuel the Illusive Man's base. Alliance engineers believe they can use the core similarly to power the Crucible.

[Norlond]

Thread dead again?

[MegumiAzusa]

Norlond wrote...

Thread dead again?

Nah, it's just a husk :3

[masster blaster]

So I guess everyone is asleep. Well in 5 hours I will have my new post up about TIM, and Shepard Conversations for Paragon, and Renegade.

Also Hanar it's funn how in Renegade Shepard in ME2 said " You start craving power, start being selfish, and we all pay the price."

Well his lust to help humanity serpase the other races back fired.

And my post about TiM, was also explaing why Cerberus isn't fleshed out in ME3 because you were suppose to read the Codexes, and the comics. To understand how Cerberus came to be in ME3. Also was hinting about a more fleshed out Omega dlc, and who was Controlling who.

Think about it some people at Cerberus we afriad that the Reapers would take Control of Cerberus troop personal, but TIM was Confident that he cab Control them. So were the Reapers Controlling TIMs forces and have TIM that he can Control his troops, and the Reapers, so that the Reapers can show Shepard/ the player that they can be Controled.

Which put's this into mind. Why did the Reapers wanted to show Shepard that he can Control the Reapers. Because TIM was Indoctrinated and even though his mind was still his ownish, he was under the influence that he can Control the Reapers.

One who gave him the idea he can Control the Reapers, and two why is it that all of a sudden Sanctuary is attacked when Shepard arrives there. I now that "Well the Reapers saw Control resarch as a threat, and went to go stop it, but at the end they are open to the option to let them Control the Reapers.

Also isn't it weird that Control, and Destroy are on the Citadel.
You could say that " 9h the cycle put that there, or the Reaper creators/ the Catalyst, but the Reapers/ the Catalyst would have discovered this plan, when they take all thw information on this cycle and download all the data into the Reapers, to help them against the cycles.

[Leonia]

*sniff* Everyone ignored my speculations on biotics relating to dark energy and the EC's Normandy pick-up sequence possibly being seen in the wrong context. Nobody likes my ideas

/overdramatic

Thread is feeling really slow lately but at least it's staying on-topic and that's a good thing.

Modifié par leonia42, 09 août 2012 - 01:08 .

[MegumiAzusa]

leonia42 wrote...

*sniff* Everyone ignored my speculations on biotics relating to dark energy

I thought it's well known eezo is the stuff that makes magic happen and releases dark energy?

Element Zero (Atomic Number 0, Chemical Symbol Ez), also known as 'eezo', is a rare material that, when subjected to an electrical current, releases dark energy which can be manipulated into a mass effect field,

Of course it's related...

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 09 août 2012 - 01:32 .

[Rosewind]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Norlond wrote...

Thread dead again?

Nah, it's just a husk :3

Brrraaaiiiinnnsss!!!!

[MegumiAzusa]

Rosewind wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Norlond wrote...

Thread dead again?

Nah, it's just a husk :3

Brrraaaiiiinnnsss!!!!

Nah, more like Shepaaaaaarrdssssss!!!!

[Rosewind]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Norlond wrote...

Thread dead again?

Nah, it's just a husk :3

Brrraaaiiiinnnsss!!!!

Nah, more like Shepaaaaaarrdssssss!!!!

Omg!! There is more then one Shepard?

[Sero303]

It has been, what? 5 months?
...I just has a scary thought. What IF- ( famous last words )
What IF- Bioware/EA finally admit that Shepard really was slowly being indoctrinated over the course of the game, BUT Leviathan, which takes place before the ending, is actually a way, or has a way of curing his indoctrination, or stopping it someway. That would let Bioware/EA give the fans "what they want" ( those of us who still cling to hope ) AND keep there indecisive endings...
But in the end "it doesn't really matter anyway, does it?"

[Leonia]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

*sniff* Everyone ignored my speculations on biotics relating to dark energy

I thought it's well known eezo is the stuff that makes magic happen and releases dark energy?

Element Zero (Atomic Number 0, Chemical Symbol Ez), also known as 'eezo', is a rare material that, when subjected to an electrical current, releases dark energy which can be manipulated into a mass effect field,

Of course it's related...

Yes but I was making the point about why TIM is so interested in Aria and Grissom Academy, there might be more to biotics than meets the eye. Or maybe not.

[Rosewind]

leonia42 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

*sniff* Everyone ignored my speculations on biotics relating to dark energy

I thought it's well known eezo is the stuff that makes magic happen and releases dark energy?

Element Zero (Atomic Number 0, Chemical Symbol Ez), also known as 'eezo', is a rare material that, when subjected to an electrical current, releases dark energy which can be manipulated into a mass effect field,

Of course it's related...

Yes but I was making the point about why TIM is so interested in Aria and Grissom Academy, there might be more to biotics than meets the eye. Or maybe not.

TIM wanted the students at the academy  so he could turn them into soliders for him self. i.e look what happens to Jack if you don't do that mission.

Modifié par Rosewind, 09 août 2012 - 03:19 .

[masster blaster]

So remember how we talked about Shepard having niates in him/er, well if you think about Synthesis, and Control, Shepard get's the Indoctrinated eyes when Shepard choses Synthesis, and Control, well Iam wondering, if that.

In Shepard's current state a Earth is still knocked out after either Harbinger attack, or land mines thatcaused everyone to get out of the Grizzly.

Well if you look closely at Control you can see Shepard having his/her flesh being ripped apart, but as you look closely, you can see tubes across Shepard faces, and looks like TIM, when we meet him on the Citadel.

Now in Sythesis the Reapers are overwiting Shepard's dna, and the galaxy to have HUMAN dna infuesed with everyone else, and making the Reapers have an upgrade to complete their princibles of eveloution. Also this would actulally help the Reapers find a new way of harvesting, and making it easier to Control all Synthetic, and Organics life, since everyoen has Reaper tech in them now.

But back to what I was saying, I have a feeling in Control Shepard does become a Reaper, but not as the Catalyst, but a tool for the Catalyst to use, since the smirk on his face tells me other wise. So they make Shepard believe he is protecting the many, but in reality he is harvesting the many, and if you play Overlord, then Shepard pactivates a Control panel, and his starting to see things that others can not see. IT's possible the Reapers can do this because they are far more advance than all the past cycles combind. I will say however the Protheans were close to the Reapers early tech, but their goverment failed, and well fail.

[pseudonymic]

Sero303 wrote...

What IF- Bioware/EA finally admit that Shepard really was slowly being indoctrinated over the course of the game, BUT Leviathan, which takes place before the ending, is actually a way, or has a way of curing his indoctrination, or stopping it someway. That would let Bioware/EA give the fans "what they want" ( those of us who still cling to hope ) AND keep there indecisive endings...

that would be horrific. mainly because it would definitely sound like an attempt to put a big bandaid on the wound, at least i think so. if IT were to be ever admitted/incorporated, they'd have to be classy about it for it not to feel like "lolz we read teh forumz and yallz moar smarter dan we!!11!"

EDIT: i should've elaborated that the horrible part of doing so is basically because they would have had a great opportunity of using indoctrination, but would've been ditching it by the addition of leviathan. so it kind of makes me go "why would you make what's bad even worse?", seeing as IT is pretty brilliant, imo. however, i don't believe it would fit in. considering shepard's last dream is right before the final fight, unless leviathan started right there, it would invalidate the idea of leviathan "waking shepard up from indoctrination."

But in the end "it doesn't really matter anyway, does it?"

nope. sadly, it's ruined for good.

Modifié par pseudonymic, 09 août 2012 - 03:26 .

[Eryri]

pseudonymic wrote...

Sero303 wrote...

What IF- Bioware/EA finally admit that Shepard really was slowly being indoctrinated over the course of the game, BUT Leviathan, which takes place before the ending, is actually a way, or has a way of curing his indoctrination, or stopping it someway. That would let Bioware/EA give the fans "what they want" ( those of us who still cling to hope ) AND keep there indecisive endings...

that would be horrific. mainly because it would definitely sound like an attempt to put a big bandaid on the wound, at least i think so. if IT were to be ever admitted/incorporated, they'd have to be classy about it for it not to feel like "lolz we read teh forumz and yallz moar smarter dan we!!11!"

EDIT: i should've elaborated that the horrible part of doing so is basically because they would have had a great opportunity of using indoctrination, but would've been ditching it by the addition of leviathan. so it kind of makes me go "why would you make what's bad even worse?", seeing as IT is pretty brilliant, imo. however, i don't believe it would fit in. considering shepard's last dream is right before the final fight, unless leviathan started right there, it would invalidate the idea of leviathan "waking shepard up from indoctrination."
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Agreed. That would be a horribly wasted opportunity which wouldn't please anybody. 

Fortunately I don't think it will happen, because Shepard's final dream about the child takes place after we commit to attaking Cronos Station. That's after the point of no return when all other side missions are locked out.

If Leviathan "cures" Shepard's indoctrination before that point, then presumably he would stop dreaming about that wretched little sprog. Bioware would then have to delete that final dream sequence, which I think is unlikely.

Modifié par Eryri, 09 août 2012 - 03:58 .

[MaximizedAction]

Goddess, the first post on this page is 5h ago.
"Wake up!"

[GethPrimeMKII]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Goddess, the first post on this page is 5h ago.
"Wake up!"

Iunno what to talk about. Maybe predictions of future SP DLC?

[BlazingZephyr]

Today's Speculations:

Since about 5 AM, I've been thinking about Leviathan and exactly how we can have the Reaper origins explained much more than we already know, considering we "don't know the half of it." Then it hit me: Indoctrination. It is probably the LEAST explained aspect of the reapers, and most of what we know about it is in the Codex (we all know about it's reliability).

When trying to get to the IT thread, I accidentally clicked on Simon's Selfish Meme Theory, which essentially states that the Catalyst is Indoctrination itself and the Reapers are a vector for it. I reread the OP and it occurred to me that THIS may be what Leviathan reveals.

If Leviathan reveals the true nature of the Catalyst, it would give us even more reason not to trust it. Leviathan may warn us of its tricks and tell us how it resisted. Even without changing the endings, information from Leviathan may reenforce evidence of indoctrination leading up to Starchild

[Eryri]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Goddess, the first post on this page is 5h ago.
"Wake up!"

I know, it just won't do will it?

In the interest of keeping this marvellous thread in it's rightful place at the top of the BSN, what sort of clues does everyone think we might expect in Leviathan?

I'm guessing that if they do decide to drop some IT hints, Bioware will continue their policy of keeping things vague to encourage speculation, and avoid annoying those who dislike the IT.

Personally, I'm imagining that, as suggested in the leak (SPOILERS), Shepard will get "kicked out" of his/her own head into a virtual / imaginary environment to communicate with Leviathan, thereby foreshadowing the ending weirdness.

I wonder if we'll get dialogue along the lines of
"Don't worry Shepard, I've no intension of taking up permanent residence in your mind. It's quite crowded enough in there already." (Hint, hint)
Only hopefully something not so lame as I obviously can't write scary reaper-esque dialogue to save my life.

Modifié par Eryri, 09 août 2012 - 04:20 .

[Eryri]

BlazingZephyr wrote...

Today's Speculations:

Since about 5 AM, I've been thinking about Leviathan and exactly how we can have the Reaper origins explained much more than we already know, considering we "don't know the half of it." Then it hit me: Indoctrination. It is probably the LEAST explained aspect of the reapers, and most of what we know about it is in the Codex (we all know about it's reliability).

When trying to get to the IT thread, I accidentally clicked on Simon's Selfish Meme Theory, which essentially states that the Catalyst is Indoctrination itself and the Reapers are a vector for it. I reread the OP and it occurred to me that THIS may be what Leviathan reveals.

If Leviathan reveals the true nature of the Catalyst, it would give us even more reason not to trust it. Leviathan may warn us of its tricks and tell us how it resisted. Even without changing the endings, information from Leviathan may reenforce evidence of indoctrination leading up to Starchild

I think so too. I think that Leviathan has the potential to hugely change the context of the endings even it it doesn't change the endings themselves. Confirming the Catalyst as a lying, manipulator would further undermine the viabiity of Control and Synthesis.

Edit - sorry for the double post.

Modifié par Eryri, 09 août 2012 - 04:25 .

[pseudonymic]

BlazingZephyr wrote...

When trying to get to the IT thread, I accidentally clicked on Simon's Selfish Meme Theory, which essentially states that the Catalyst is Indoctrination itself and the Reapers are a vector for it. I reread the OP and it occurred to me that THIS may be what Leviathan reveals.

that could be interesting. in my headcanon, though, i take that shepard is the catalyst, and star brat is just the reaper who is controlling shep's indoctrination - i.e., harbinger, taken in a form of innocence to mess with shepard's sense of guilt. that, i'd further support by mentioning things we've come to use as IT support - like no one taking notice of the child in the evac scene, and the child being present only in shep's mind from the start.

If Leviathan reveals the true nature of the Catalyst, it would give us even more reason not to trust it. Leviathan may warn us of its tricks and tell us how it resisted. Even without changing the endings, information from Leviathan may reenforce evidence of indoctrination leading up to Starchild

part of me has a feeling leviathan isn't going to be as "on shep's side" as it seems that everyone is believing he/she/it will be, so i'm skeptical about that. i honestly think - after the crudeness of the EC - that leviathan isn't going to offer much on that front and it will be just abrupt and literal instead. while it may explain the creation of the reapers and such, i think that the content will be more factual... out of having lost faith on bioware.