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draconian139 wrote...

demersel wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

Well seeing as I've repeatedly stated that I don't believe any future DLC is coming heck no.


Ok, than refuse sucks. Deal with it. 

Destroy sucks.  Deal with it.

lol, j/k.  Like I've said your experience with the end should be subjective to your Sheperd since its not real and can mean different things to different people.


While your Shepard may have done certain things for different reasons.
He done them none the less and they're definite.

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TheProtheans wrote...

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To be honest The Prothean I see Refuse as Bioware of saying F you fans that hated the three endings/ I artistic vision. More over I can not see Refuse as breaking Indoctrination. Only if they had a breath scene, or show Shepard waking up, then I will except Refuse, but if they don't, then Destroy is the breaking the Indoctrination hold on Shepard.

Also if they continue to go on in Refuse from the point where Shepard is alone, then it means that

1. They really **** up the whole end plot.
2. They are bad writers.
3. Why continue the story right there in Refuse, where as in Destroy you can kill the Reapers?
4. What if in Refuse more people die, than in Destroy ending, and that includes more of your squad mates. ( well it can go with IT as well).


Shepard is alone where? On earth, I don't see how that f**ks up the end plot.
I don't see point two and I don't understand point 3 and 4 in relation to IT in the refusal option, please explain.

I would also question if refusal puts Shepard in better shape when he wakes up.


No I ment if they continued Refusal in literal ending where Shepard is on the Citadek, then it's very very stupid.

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If I had the money, I'd happily bet everyone on this page a dollar for every page of the thread that IT is not the actual story of the ending, and just a very involved head-canon that everyone latched onto because the endings were just that disappointing. Sadly, I have no such funds.

If the DLC even *touches* the ending, I'd be shocked. Ship has sailed. A disrupting, disappointing ship, but sailed nevertheless.


well it is a shame that you don't have any money, really. If you did, then we could have fun by participating in this thread AND earn some money in the process. Oh, well..:?

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TheProtheans, so it is a no on the bet?

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masster blaster wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

To be honest The Prothean I see Refuse as Bioware of saying F you fans that hated the three endings/ I artistic vision. More over I can not see Refuse as breaking Indoctrination. Only if they had a breath scene, or show Shepard waking up, then I will except Refuse, but if they don't, then Destroy is the breaking the Indoctrination hold on Shepard.

Also if they continue to go on in Refuse from the point where Shepard is alone, then it means that

1. They really **** up the whole end plot.
2. They are bad writers.
3. Why continue the story right there in Refuse, where as in Destroy you can kill the Reapers?
4. What if in Refuse more people die, than in Destroy ending, and that includes more of your squad mates. ( well it can go with IT as well).


Shepard is alone where? On earth, I don't see how that f**ks up the end plot.
I don't see point two and I don't understand point 3 and 4 in relation to IT in the refusal option, please explain.

I would also question if refusal puts Shepard in better shape when he wakes up.


No I ment if they continued Refusal in literal ending where Shepard is on the Citadek, then it's very very stupid.


They don't have to.

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cyrexwingblade wrote...

If I had the money, I'd happily bet everyone on this page a dollar for every page of the thread that IT is not the actual story of the ending, and just a very involved head-canon that everyone latched onto because the endings were just that disappointing. Sadly, I have no such funds.


How very conveniant for you.

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demersel wrote...

TheProtheans, so it is a no on the bet?


It is a yes on the bet.

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demersel wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

draconian139 wrote...
lol, j/k.  Like I've said your experience with the end should be subjective to your Sheperd since its not real and can mean different things to different people.


Best comment said in this thread for a while.


Indeed, but it goes without saying, really, and it is certainly not the reason why people come to the forum to discuss things with other people. 

You just sit at home, content with the expirience you got, and do other things with your life. 

That's true. Hello thread.

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Andromidius wrote...

cyrexwingblade wrote...

If I had the money, I'd happily bet everyone on this page a dollar for every page of the thread that IT is not the actual story of the ending, and just a very involved head-canon that everyone latched onto because the endings were just that disappointing. Sadly, I have no such funds.


How very conveniant for you.


I have the money, I will make that bet.

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Norlord thank you!

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demersel wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

demersel wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

lol, j/k.  Like I've said your experience with the end should be subjective to your Sheperd since its not real and can mean different things to different people.


Well, with that point of view, there are people who like synthesis, to discuss things with, and share opinions. 



The get out of this thread I don't like your view argument again?  Oh well, at least you didn't call me stupid or retarded this time.:D


No it is not that. It is exaclty what is. Do you like synthesis? 


Nope, at least not for my Shepard.  I would be interested in hearing the reasons that someone does though, provided that they don't view the ending as literal.  I also wouldn't insist that even in their Mass Effect universe they're wrong to view it the way they do.

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TheProtheans wrote...

demersel wrote...

TheProtheans, so it is a no on the bet?


It is a yes on the bet.


Ok then. We have witnesses here. 

It's is a bet.

If the further content is relesed and it proves refuse to be the better option than destroy, in terms of breaking indoctrination - then i pay you 100 euro

If not - you pay me 100 euro. 

I think we can put a deadline to this - that would be the release of the final DLC for the next Mass Effect game. 

Agreed? 

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draconian139

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TheProtheans wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

demersel wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

Well seeing as I've repeatedly stated that I don't believe any future DLC is coming heck no.


Ok, than refuse sucks. Deal with it. 

Destroy sucks.  Deal with it.

lol, j/k.  Like I've said your experience with the end should be subjective to your Sheperd since its not real and can mean different things to different people.


While your Shepard may have done certain things for different reasons.
He done them none the less and they're definite.


Without a doubt.  If my Shepard were to choose destroy I'd consider him an idiot and have fallen to reaper indoctrination, just as if he'd chosen control or synthesis.  That's because its an incredibly easy decision in my specific playthrough.  Basically I think that not only does the decision itself matter but the context and circumstances that the decision is made in matters as well. 

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TheProtheans

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demersel wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

demersel wrote...

TheProtheans, so it is a no on the bet?


It is a yes on the bet.


Ok then. We have witnesses here. 

It's is a bet.

If the further content is relesed and it proves refuse to be the better option than destroy, in terms of breaking indoctrination - then i pay you 100 euro

If not - you pay me 100 euro. 

I think we can put a deadline to this - that would be the release of the final DLC for the next Mass Effect game. 

Agreed? 

Yes, if it suits you.

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You all heard the man - we have ourselves a bet, ladies and gentlemen.

Modifié par demersel, 03 janvier 2013 - 09:05 .


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draconian139

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TheProtheans wrote...

demersel wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

demersel wrote...

TheProtheans, so it is a no on the bet?


It is a yes on the bet.


Ok then. We have witnesses here. 

It's is a bet.

If the further content is relesed and it proves refuse to be the better option than destroy, in terms of breaking indoctrination - then i pay you 100 euro

If not - you pay me 100 euro. 

I think we can put a deadline to this - that would be the release of the final DLC for the next Mass Effect game. 

Agreed? 

Yes, if it suits you.



You might want to watch out there.  Technically if they're equal you'd owe him 100 euro.

#77993
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How much is 100 euro in American dollars anyway?

#77994
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demersel wrote...

You all heard the man - we have ourselves a bet, ladies and gentlemen.

I witnessed this action! Posted Image

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masster blaster wrote...

Norlord thank you!


Happy to help ^_^

#77996
draconian139

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bah, double post, the first wasn't showing up for some reason.

Modifié par draconian139, 03 janvier 2013 - 09:07 .


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TheProtheans

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demersel wrote...

You all heard the man - we have ourselves a bet, ladies and gentlemen.


I made another bet today with a small amout of fictional cyber money on a different site.
I am somewhat more worried about that one.

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i have returned! so then whats happening here

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cyrexwingblade

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Yeaaaah, pretty safe bet.

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@draconian
He damn sure would