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[Rosewind]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Goddess, the first post on this page is 5h ago.
"Wake up!"

It was by Hannar so doesn't count.

[smokingotter1]

pseudonymic wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

When trying to get to the IT thread, I accidentally clicked on Simon's Selfish Meme Theory, which essentially states that the Catalyst is Indoctrination itself and the Reapers are a vector for it. I reread the OP and it occurred to me that THIS may be what Leviathan reveals.

that could be interesting. in my headcanon, though, i take that shepard is the catalyst, and star brat is just the reaper who is controlling shep's indoctrination - i.e., harbinger, taken in a form of innocence to mess with shepard's sense of guilt. that, i'd further support by mentioning things we've come to use as IT support - like no one taking notice of the child in the evac scene, and the child being present only in shep's mind from the start.

If Leviathan reveals the true nature of the Catalyst, it would give us even more reason not to trust it. Leviathan may warn us of its tricks and tell us how it resisted. Even without changing the endings, information from Leviathan may reenforce evidence of indoctrination leading up to Starchild

part of me has a feeling leviathan isn't going to be as "on shep's side" as it seems that everyone is believing he/she/it will be, so i'm skeptical about that. i honestly think - after the crudeness of the EC - that leviathan isn't going to offer much on that front and it will be just abrupt and literal instead. while it may explain the creation of the reapers and such, i think that the content will be more factual... out of having lost faith on bioware.

Why does anyone think that the catalyst is real? Shepard can't be the next catalyst because there is no catalyst. Indoctrination changes your own mind/brain. It's implied that the catalyst is Shepard's own mind because the kid's voice has your voice's echo.

You want to know who the catalyst is? He's the guy to the left, it's Shepard.



All the catalyst is the indoctrinated part of Shepard's mind trying to be a catalyst or a change agent to get the last remnants of what's left of Shepard's free mind to give up. Shepard is fighting his own imagination/rationalization.

Edit: That's the reason they included the above scene.

Modifié par smokingotter1, 09 août 2012 - 04:48 .

[BansheeOwnage]

PREPARE YOURSELVES FOR MY ARRIVAL
ಠಠಠ_ಠಠಠ

[MegumiAzusa]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

PREPARE YOURSELVES FOR MY ARRIVAL
ಠಠಠ_ಠಠಠ

I am ready, Machine.
ಠ     ಠ
 ಠ_ಠ


Edit: that looked better on other fonts.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 09 août 2012 - 04:58 .

[BlazingZephyr]

smokingotter1 wrote...


Why does anyone think that the catalyst is real? Shepard can't be the next catalyst because there is no catalyst. Indoctrination changes your own mind/brain. It's implied that the catalyst is Shepard's own mind because the kid's voice has your voice's echo.

You want to know who the catalyst is? He's the guy to the left, it's Shepard.

*snip*

All the catalyst is the indoctrinated part of Shepard's mind trying to be a catalyst or a change agent to get the last remnants of what's left of Shepard's free mind to give up. Shepard is fighting his own imagination/rationalization.

This depends on what you define as "The Catalyst". Starbrat? No, just a representation. Simon's SMT explains the true Catalyst as a mind-vorus of sorts, using the Reapers to continue and expand its own existence. This could very well mean that events following the beam run/vehicle crash (at least the decision chamber) ARE in Shepard's head, since that would be the only way for it to communicate with him.

Maybe Indoctrination sees it as a challenge, since Shepard has thus far resisted it and foiled it's plans multiple times. I do not know. I guess that's the point of specualtion.

[MaximizedAction]

smokingotter1 wrote...

Why does anyone think that the catalyst is real? Shepard can't be the next catalyst because there is no catalyst. Indoctrination changes your own mind/brain. It's implied that the catalyst is Shepard's own mind because the kid's voice has your voice's echo.

You want to know who the catalyst is? He's the guy to the left, it's Shepard.

*snip*

All the catalyst is the indoctrinated part of Shepard's mind trying to be a catalyst or a change agent to get the last remnants of what's left of Shepard's free mind to give up. Shepard is fighting his own imagination/rationalization.
Edit: That's the reason they included the above scene.

Wow, ok. Makes sense. So both, the kid and Mr. Sparkles aren't hallucinations caused directly by the Reapers but the part of Shepard's mind that is affected by the ongoing indoc.? So the only enemy is the Reapers and indoc. nothing more...

Then it would really make sense for the Leviathan not mentioning the Catalyst but only clarify the theory behind indoctrination to later, at the end, make it easier to spot it.

I like this!

[BansheeOwnage]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

PREPARE YOURSELVES FOR MY ARRIVAL
ಠಠಠ_ಠಠಠ

I am ready, Machine.
ಠ     ಠ
 ಠ_ಠ


Edit: that looked better on other fonts.

So I've been gone for a couple of days. What has happened?

[smokingotter1]

BlazingZephyr wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...


Why does anyone think that the catalyst is real? Shepard can't be the next catalyst because there is no catalyst. Indoctrination changes your own mind/brain. It's implied that the catalyst is Shepard's own mind because the kid's voice has your voice's echo.

You want to know who the catalyst is? He's the guy to the left, it's Shepard.

*snip*

All the catalyst is the indoctrinated part of Shepard's mind trying to be a catalyst or a change agent to get the last remnants of what's left of Shepard's free mind to give up. Shepard is fighting his own imagination/rationalization.

This depends on what you define as "The Catalyst". Starbrat? No, just a representation. Simon's SMT explains the true Catalyst as a mind-vorus of sorts, using the Reapers to continue and expand its own existence. This could very well mean that events following the beam run/vehicle crash (at least the decision chamber) ARE in Shepard's head, since that would be the only way for it to communicate with him.

Maybe Indoctrination sees it as a challenge, since Shepard has thus far resisted it and foiled it's plans multiple times. I do not know. I guess that's the point of specualtion.

I meant starbrat, we never do get to see the catalyst in ME3... that's for DLC

IT Audience: *collective groan*
Smokingotter: "Heh heh..... games are expensive to make... and you know you're going to buy it. I will.:unsure:"

[SixG90]

It's only me or Origin isn't working at all after they updated it? :/

[MaximizedAction]

mrs.N7 wrote...

It's only me or Origin isn't working at all after they updated it? :/

I'm browsing through the various tech-issues threads right now. So yeah, same here. The friends list doesn't load with the error, I should check my internet connection. Silly Origin!

[TJBartlemus]

Wow. Thread is absolutely on life support at this point. I do announce we have gone over everything so many times we have nothing to talk about. New Speculations needed!!

Oh yeah...update on connection between Cerberus and London. Still got nothing new. :/

[Odplata pride]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Wow. Thread is absolutely on life support at this point. I do announce we have gone over everything so many times we have nothing to talk about. New Speculations needed!!

Oh yeah...update on connection between Cerberus and London. Still got nothing new. :/

Just have to wait until Leviathan realase I think....

It seems that there could be more IT proofs...

Modifié par Odplata pride, 09 août 2012 - 05:14 .

[Odplata pride]

Sorry...
I use bad button...

Modifié par Odplata pride, 09 août 2012 - 05:13 .

[MegumiAzusa]

MaximizedAction wrote...

mrs.N7 wrote...

It's only me or Origin isn't working at all after they updated it? :/

I'm browsing through the various tech-issues threads right now. So yeah, same here. The friends list doesn't load with the error, I should check my internet connection. Silly Origin!

Ah that's why it shows 0 online.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 09 août 2012 - 05:18 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Mike Gamble wants to tell emotionally engaging stories regardless of if they take place after ME3 or not.
True Story.

[pseudonymic]

pseudonymic wrote...

in my headcanon, though, i take that shepard is the catalyst, and star brat is just the reaper who is controlling shep's indoctrination - i.e., harbinger, taken in a form of innocence to mess with shepard's sense of guilt.

smokingotter1 wrote... 

You want to know who the catalyst is? He's the guy to the left, it's Shepard.

ain't that kinda what i said i believe?  except in my game shepard will never be broshep. i'm team hale.

Modifié par pseudonymic, 09 août 2012 - 05:17 .

[MegumiAzusa]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Mike Gamble wants to tell emotionally engaging stories regardless of if they take place after ME3 or not.
True Story.

3m 25s new mp map. Or at least it looks like because of the name.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 09 août 2012 - 05:22 .

[BansheeOwnage]

pseudonymic wrote...

pseudonymic wrote...

in my headcanon, though, i take that shepard is the catalyst, and star brat is just the reaper who is controlling shep's indoctrination - i.e., harbinger, taken in a form of innocence to mess with shepard's sense of guilt.

smokingotter1 wrote... 

You want to know who the catalyst is? He's the guy to the left, it's Shepard.

ain't that kinda what i said i believe?  except in my game shepard will never be broshep. i'm team hale.

Actually this is what pretty much everyone thought from the beginning. I always thought Shepard would be the catalyst because catalysts are not affected by reactions.

[smokingotter1]

pseudonymic wrote...

pseudonymic wrote...

in my headcanon, though, i take that shepard is the catalyst, and star brat is just the reaper who is controlling shep's indoctrination - i.e., harbinger, taken in a form of innocence to mess with shepard's sense of guilt.

smokingotter1 wrote... 

You want to know who the catalyst is? He's the guy to the left, it's Shepard.

ain't that kinda what i said i believe?  except in my game shepard will never be broshep. i'm team hale.

Yeah but you think the starbrat is a reaper, it's all Shepard, all of it.

[BansheeOwnage]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Mike Gamble wants to tell emotionally engaging stories regardless of if they take place after ME3 or not.
True Story.

3m 25s new mp map. Or at least it looks like because of the name.

Looks like it says "Garneau" and "mines" so I don't think so. But good catch regardless.

Edit: Looks like Leviathan will involve quite a few new gameplay mechanics.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 09 août 2012 - 05:25 .

[FifthBeatle]

smokingotter1 wrote...

pseudonymic wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

When trying to get to the IT thread, I accidentally clicked on Simon's Selfish Meme Theory, which essentially states that the Catalyst is Indoctrination itself and the Reapers are a vector for it. I reread the OP and it occurred to me that THIS may be what Leviathan reveals.

that could be interesting. in my headcanon, though, i take that shepard is the catalyst, and star brat is just the reaper who is controlling shep's indoctrination - i.e., harbinger, taken in a form of innocence to mess with shepard's sense of guilt. that, i'd further support by mentioning things we've come to use as IT support - like no one taking notice of the child in the evac scene, and the child being present only in shep's mind from the start.

If Leviathan reveals the true nature of the Catalyst, it would give us even more reason not to trust it. Leviathan may warn us of its tricks and tell us how it resisted. Even without changing the endings, information from Leviathan may reenforce evidence of indoctrination leading up to Starchild

part of me has a feeling leviathan isn't going to be as "on shep's side" as it seems that everyone is believing he/she/it will be, so i'm skeptical about that. i honestly think - after the crudeness of the EC - that leviathan isn't going to offer much on that front and it will be just abrupt and literal instead. while it may explain the creation of the reapers and such, i think that the content will be more factual... out of having lost faith on bioware.

Why does anyone think that the catalyst is real? Shepard can't be the next catalyst because there is no catalyst. Indoctrination changes your own mind/brain. It's implied that the catalyst is Shepard's own mind because the kid's voice has your voice's echo.

You want to know who the catalyst is? He's the guy to the left, it's Shepard.



All the catalyst is the indoctrinated part of Shepard's mind trying to be a catalyst or a change agent to get the last remnants of what's left of Shepard's free mind to give up. Shepard is fighting his own imagination/rationalization.

Edit: That's the reason they included the above scene.

I agree completely. Shepard as the Catalyst is putting Shepard in the Neo role of being the "Chosen One." I wont go into detail on my thoughts right now, but it is how I felt all along.

Also, take a look at their eyes in that screenshot. When I first saw that scene It appeared to me as if they are looking at different things. Shepard is looking up, but the boy is looking to his left which is where the Shepard who was chasing him (in full armor) is located. Not sure what that means, but it stood out to me. 

[MaximizedAction]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Mike Gamble wants to tell emotionally engaging stories regardless of if they take place after ME3 or not.
True Story.

Oh Mike, you tease!

Obviously this statement goes against Mac Walters statements from another interview that "This is it". Having said that, it seems to be too well in our favor. It must be interpretable in another way, otherwise this is the first instance where Bioware says that there is a possibility for post-ending content.

[BansheeOwnage]

MaximizedAction wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Mike Gamble wants to tell emotionally engaging stories regardless of if they take place after ME3 or not.
True Story.

Oh Mike, you tease!

Obviously this statement goes against Mac Walters statements from another interview that "This is it". Having said that, it seems to be too well in our favor. It must be interpretable in another way, otherwise this is the first instance where Bioware says that there is a possibility for post-ending content.

It is certainly weird, but more interesting if you note that he was not at all prompted to say that. What I mean is the interviewer didn't say "Does this occur after ME3?" or anything. Like when BW themselves said there will be no "ABC" endings. It wasn't the interviewer that said that; it was BW's suggestion alone.

[TJBartlemus]

Well I know there is Hellish's video that could help right now, but it's still in development. The IT doc is finally out but the link is in the IT group discussions. I would bring it out here but if I did it would be open for trolls to edit and screw something up. So for now it shall stay in there.

[TSA_383]

3.5 Hour Dynamics & Control systems exam - done! Thank christ. Now I can relax and post and whatnot.

FifthBeatle wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

pseudonymic wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

When trying to get to the IT thread, I accidentally clicked on Simon's Selfish Meme Theory, which essentially states that the Catalyst is Indoctrination itself and the Reapers are a vector for it. I reread the OP and it occurred to me that THIS may be what Leviathan reveals.

that could be interesting. in my headcanon, though, i take that shepard is the catalyst, and star brat is just the reaper who is controlling shep's indoctrination - i.e., harbinger, taken in a form of innocence to mess with shepard's sense of guilt. that, i'd further support by mentioning things we've come to use as IT support - like no one taking notice of the child in the evac scene, and the child being present only in shep's mind from the start.

If Leviathan reveals the true nature of the Catalyst, it would give us even more reason not to trust it. Leviathan may warn us of its tricks and tell us how it resisted. Even without changing the endings, information from Leviathan may reenforce evidence of indoctrination leading up to Starchild

part of me has a feeling leviathan isn't going to be as "on shep's side" as it seems that everyone is believing he/she/it will be, so i'm skeptical about that. i honestly think - after the crudeness of the EC - that leviathan isn't going to offer much on that front and it will be just abrupt and literal instead. while it may explain the creation of the reapers and such, i think that the content will be more factual... out of having lost faith on bioware.

Why does anyone think that the catalyst is real? Shepard can't be the next catalyst because there is no catalyst. Indoctrination changes your own mind/brain. It's implied that the catalyst is Shepard's own mind because the kid's voice has your voice's echo.

You want to know who the catalyst is? He's the guy to the left, it's Shepard.



All the catalyst is the indoctrinated part of Shepard's mind trying to be a catalyst or a change agent to get the last remnants of what's left of Shepard's free mind to give up. Shepard is fighting his own imagination/rationalization.

Edit: That's the reason they included the above scene.

I agree completely. Shepard as the Catalyst is putting Shepard in the Neo role of being the "Chosen One." I wont go into detail on my thoughts right now, but it is how I felt all along.

Also, take a look at their eyes in that screenshot. When I first saw that scene It appeared to me as if they are looking at different things. Shepard is looking up, but the boy is looking to his left which is where the Shepard who was chasing him (in full armor) is located. Not sure what that means, but it stood out to me. 

I Posted about this exact comparison with my very first ever post on these forums:

http://social.biowar.../index/11929257 It's worth a read if you like the matrix comparison.
If tl;dr:

ME3 was supposed to reference the matrix:
 

It... did. Clearly.