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[BansheeOwnage]

Arashi08 wrote...
Honestly tho I can't imagine the Normandy could have gotten to a planet that looks like that on FTL alone, and even if they used a mass relay before they were damaged the trip through one is supposed to be nearly instantaneous right.  So to e that means they were either in FTL for hours and landed in another system in the Local Cluster, which wouldn't make sense considering the time it took them to flee the battle and reach the mass relay, or they were in the middle of a mass relay trip, in which case I wouldn't think the normandy could move around like that anyway, considering the supposed speed at which a ship using a relay is supposed to reach the other relay.

IT or no, it seems clear to me that something doesn't add up

Yes. Here how I see it:

1. The Normandy used a mass relay.

2. The Normandy used FTL.

1. Impossible. Relay jumps are near-instantaneous and the Normandy would have been locked in a path.

2. Impossible.
A. It's clear that the first type of Crucible energy is moving at subluminal speeds, so the Normandy wouldn't need to evade it like that.
B. It's clear the the second type of Crucible energy is moving at relay speed, so the Normandy wouldn't be physically able to evade it.

Conclusion: The scene does not make sense in reality. It must be symbolic.

[Rifneno]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

IT or no, it seems clear to me that something doesn't add up

You know what doesn't add up? Why was the Normandy running away at all? If the beam doesn't damage our ships, then why run, and what made it crash? If it does damage our ships then we're in big trouble because if we have ships that were some magical place that the beam didn't go, that means there could have been Reapers that escaped too. Implications... unpleasant.

Actually it does make some sense, at least in destroy.  EDI is based on Reaper tech.  Specifically, some of Sovereign's uber processors that were recovered from the Citadel.  Even if the SR-2 was capable of running without EDI initially, at the moment it relies on her.  It's basically her body.  The destroy wave would take her out of course, and it could disable the ship until they got the pre-EDI systems running again.

[Arashi08]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

IT or no, it seems clear to me that something doesn't add up

You know what doesn't add up? Why was the Normandy running away at all? If the beam doesn't damage our ships, then why run, and what made it crash? If it does damage our ships then we're in big trouble because if we have ships that were some magical place that the beam didn't go, that means there could have been Reapers that escaped too. Implications... unpleasant.

Well the EC was supposed to answer that question, because it added how Hackett ordered all ships to fall back to the mass relay, which he probably did because he had no idea what the Crucible would do once armed.  Of course if the beam was capable of damaging our ships them it probably wouldn't matter, considering the whole galaxy was supposedly affected by it.  So ya you made a good point, as it does seem like another hole in the ending's logic.

[BleedingUranium]

Found this randomly

[Rifneno]

Speaking of planets, now I know I'm getting old... I was explaining some science about them to some folks today and it took me a minute to realize why everyone started laughing when I said "Uranus is a gas giant." ...   

[BansheeOwnage]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

IT or no, it seems clear to me that something doesn't add up

You know what doesn't add up? Why was the Normandy running away at all? If the beam doesn't damage our ships, then why run, and what made it crash? If it does damage our ships then we're in big trouble because if we have ships that were some magical place that the beam didn't go, that means there could have been Reapers that escaped too. Implications... unpleasant.

That's a great point outta you! [/PhantomOwnage]

Blur, when are you coming here? And glad you found the Vega vid.

Gonna go eat dinner everyone.

[MegumiAzusa]

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

[...]but we like to discuss how things could be related to IT and my post was in order to spark discussion about the page between members of the IT thread where we could discuss the pros and cons.

For such a discussion not mentioning cons is counterproductive. The best way to do that is to acknowledge them and then make it clear why your interpretation makes more sense, without resorting to "IT is good durrhurr".

The whole point of the post was to stir discussion not to be an academic paper about it. You didn't read what I had written with enough attention.

For discussion you need two sides, or it's just ego stroking/polishing. Also acknowledging the other side prevents all that hate that is going on lately. It's not about how academic it is. You continuously say you're open to it, but if someone starts it's either counter productive to the atmosphere or the topic itself. Either don't say anymore you're open and like to discuss, or start acting like you say you do.

[draconian139]

Arashi08 wrote...
Well the EC was supposed to answer that question, because it added how Hackett ordered all ships to fall back to the mass relay, which he probably did because he had no idea what the Crucible would do once armed.  Of course if the beam was capable of damaging our ships them it probably wouldn't matter, considering the whole galaxy was supposedly affected by it.  So ya you made a good point, as it does seem like another hole in the ending's logic.

I don't necessarily see this as a flaw in the logic of the ending, I equate it to drills for nuclear bombs.  People were drilled to do things even though there was no way that these things would save them.

[lex0r11]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Found this randomly

They have not taken Arcturus Station. It is still open.

[Natabre]

Arashi08 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

IT or no, it seems clear to me that something doesn't add up

You know what doesn't add up? Why was the Normandy running away at all? If the beam doesn't damage our ships, then why run, and what made it crash? If it does damage our ships then we're in big trouble because if we have ships that were some magical place that the beam didn't go, that means there could have been Reapers that escaped too. Implications... unpleasant.

Well the EC was supposed to answer that question, because it added how Hackett ordered all ships to fall back to the mass relay, which he probably did because he had no idea what the Crucible would do once armed.  Of course if the beam was capable of damaging our ships them it probably wouldn't matter, considering the whole galaxy was supposedly affected by it.  So ya you made a good point, as it does seem like another hole in the ending's logic.

Pretty much this, they fled just to be safe. But a lot of them were relying on computers to run their systems, so I'd assume that computers are considered "synthetic" to Catalyst as well. Normandy seems to be the only one that was damaged by it, not the fleet. So yeah, Normandy did have EDI and that's very true about reapers surviving where the beam didn't touch, because we saw Reapers in deep space looking at Galaxy, it's possible that the beam didn't reach those reapers...scary to think that the galaxy's still in danger!

Edit: Or reapers were out of galaxy, not deep space, I mean.

Modifié par Natabre, 04 janvier 2013 - 03:00 .

[BleedingUranium]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

IT or no, it seems clear to me that something doesn't add up

You know what doesn't add up? Why was the Normandy running away at all? If the beam doesn't damage our ships, then why run, and what made it crash? If it does damage our ships then we're in big trouble because if we have ships that were some magical place that the beam didn't go, that means there could have been Reapers that escaped too. Implications... unpleasant.

That's a great point outta you! [/PhantomOwnage]

Blur, when are you coming here? And glad you found the Vega vid.

Gonna go eat dinner everyone.

Probably just before 12

[CoolioThane]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

[...]but we like to discuss how things could be related to IT and my post was in order to spark discussion about the page between members of the IT thread where we could discuss the pros and cons.

For such a discussion not mentioning cons is counterproductive. The best way to do that is to acknowledge them and then make it clear why your interpretation makes more sense, without resorting to "IT is good durrhurr".

The whole point of the post was to stir discussion not to be an academic paper about it. You didn't read what I had written with enough attention.

For discussion you need two sides, or it's just ego stroking/polishing. Also acknowledging the other side prevents all that hate that is going on lately. It's not about how academic it is. You continuously say you're open to it, but if someone starts it's either counter productive to the atmosphere or the topic itself. Either don't say anymore you're open and like to discuss, or start acting like you say you do.

You're not listening for **** sake. I PRODUCED THAT PIECE OF WRITING FOR OTHERS TO DISCUSS. If I had put both sides in it would have looked like more of an academic piece of writing which I was not aiming for, so decided on purpose not to put it in. Otherwise it would look more like I was just DECLARING something which is not the purpose of the discussion thread. 

Look, you're being a ****ing **** and brought it back up. Why can't you just be happier? IT'S ****ING DEPRESSING

[Arashi08]

draconian139 wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...
Well the EC was supposed to answer that question, because it added how Hackett ordered all ships to fall back to the mass relay, which he probably did because he had no idea what the Crucible would do once armed.  Of course if the beam was capable of damaging our ships them it probably wouldn't matter, considering the whole galaxy was supposedly affected by it.  So ya you made a good point, as it does seem like another hole in the ending's logic.

I don't necessarily see this as a flaw in the logic of the ending, I equate it to drills for nuclear bombs.  People were drilled to do things even though there was no way that these things would save them.

it's not about that so much as the fact that if the EMS is low and Earth gets scorched then it stands to reason that the allied ships would be destroyed as well, but I don't think that happens even if Earth is destroyed.  so either there was some way they were all shielded from the damage or maybe it didn't happen at all.

[draconian139]

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Yes. Here how I see it:

2. The Normandy used FTL.
2. Impossible.
B. It's clear the the second type of Crucible energy is moving at relay speed, so the Normandy wouldn't be physically able to evade it.

Conclusion: The scene does not make sense in reality. It must be symbolic.

This is the one point where I think there's a chance you're wrong.  To me it doesn't look like the Normandy actually does run it, they were just running needlessly.  To me the question is just where exactly that planet is.  If we believe its(wherever you guys said, the name is eluding me) then its impossible due to how far away it is, if its somewhere else it might work.  Although this somewhere else would basically have to be in the local cluster and I can't think of anywhere that would fit so I still lean towards impossible.

[BleedingUranium]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

For discussion you need two sides, or it's just ego stroking/polishing. Also acknowledging the other side prevents all that hate that is going on lately. It's not about how academic it is. You continuously say you're open to it, but if someone starts it's either counter productive to the atmosphere or the topic itself. Either don't say anymore you're open and like to discuss, or start acting like you say you do.

I understand that you have good intentions, but you're acting like Literal and IT make just as much sense as each other/are just as valid/however you want to word it, but that's simply not true.

If you have a counterpoint to something we're saying I'll welcome it, but most of the time you're just telling us we need to be open to counterpoints, even if there aren't any, that's why it annoys people.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 04 janvier 2013 - 03:03 .

[lex0r11]

Would you try to relax please, CoolioThane?

[draconian139]

Arashi08 wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...
Well the EC was supposed to answer that question, because it added how Hackett ordered all ships to fall back to the mass relay, which he probably did because he had no idea what the Crucible would do once armed.  Of course if the beam was capable of damaging our ships them it probably wouldn't matter, considering the whole galaxy was supposedly affected by it.  So ya you made a good point, as it does seem like another hole in the ending's logic.

I don't necessarily see this as a flaw in the logic of the ending, I equate it to drills for nuclear bombs.  People were drilled to do things even though there was no way that these things would save them.

it's not about that so much as the fact that if the EMS is low and Earth gets scorched then it stands to reason that the allied ships would be destroyed as well, but I don't think that happens even if Earth is destroyed.  so either there was some way they were all shielded from the damage or maybe it didn't happen at all.

Yes, and this makes sense.  Its another reason I don't think the end is real, I was just addressing the assertion that Hackett ordering them out was illogical.  It is, this doesn't mean its something people wouldn't do.

[Arashi08]

double post...but at least I can say that the Nomandy is damaged in all EMS outcomes regardless so why wouldn't the other ships suffer the sama damage?

[CoolioThane]

lex0r11 wrote...

Would you try to relax please, CoolioThane?

Look, I've told her time and time again but she refuses to listen and feigns innocence/ignorance. 

[lex0r11]

CoolioThane wrote...

[...]

 IT'S ****ING DEPRESSING

[Natabre]

Arashi08 wrote...

double post...but at least I can say that the Nomandy is damaged in all EMS outcomes regardless so why wouldn't the other ships suffer the sama damage?

Agreed, the only reason I can think of that is because EDI was mainly in charge of running Normandy, despite Joker being the pilot. Either that or Bioware overlooked that one.

[Rifneno]

lex0r11 wrote...

Would you try to relax please, CoolioThane?

He's being polite, all things considered.

[MegumiAzusa]

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

[...]but we like to discuss how things could be related to IT and my post was in order to spark discussion about the page between members of the IT thread where we could discuss the pros and cons.

For such a discussion not mentioning cons is counterproductive. The best way to do that is to acknowledge them and then make it clear why your interpretation makes more sense, without resorting to "IT is good durrhurr".

The whole point of the post was to stir discussion not to be an academic paper about it. You didn't read what I had written with enough attention.

For discussion you need two sides, or it's just ego stroking/polishing. Also acknowledging the other side prevents all that hate that is going on lately. It's not about how academic it is. You continuously say you're open to it, but if someone starts it's either counter productive to the atmosphere or the topic itself. Either don't say anymore you're open and like to discuss, or start acting like you say you do.

You're not listening for **** sake. I PRODUCED THAT PIECE OF WRITING FOR OTHERS TO DISCUSS. If I had put both sides in it would have looked like more of an academic piece of writing which I was not aiming for, so decided on purpose not to put it in. Otherwise it would look more like I was just DECLARING something which is not the purpose of the discussion thread. 

Look, you're being a ****ing **** and brought it back up. Why can't you just be happier? IT'S ****ING DEPRESSING

I'm happy, just look at my avatar and I'm not the one who gets half of their post censored...
Also I don't believe you. :3
If you want to encourage discussion you're doing it by proposing multiple views, or at least different approaches, not by stating just one.

[BleedingUranium]

I need to stop the Reapers.



No Shepard, you are the Reapers.



And then Shepard was goo.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 04 janvier 2013 - 03:20 .

[lex0r11]

Tell that story to your children one day. They will slap you silly.

Modifié par lex0r11, 04 janvier 2013 - 03:10 .