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[CoolioThane]

Just like you're assuming the medium-term, interactive hallucinations the Leviathans were subjecting us to haven't been improved at all, when the uber-intelligent Reapers have been perfecting them for millennia...

[CoolioThane]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Yeah? The illusion takes place in Shepard's mind...which is stimulated by the Reaper-affected body chemicals.

Over the course of all games there is just no precedence for that, but quite a few for what I wrote.

Leviathan. Not that we needed that.

Overlord. Geth Consensus. Hell, Arrival.

In none of those were illusions of Reaper origin but Arrival, and what was the illusion there? Right flashes of something that is happening. No consistent minutes long interactive hallucination.

That's being beyond excessively specific.

You should watch all of the "supports IT" section of my sig. It's not about showing two things to be 100% identical, it's about pattern recognition and such.

And the pattern of 100% inconsistent, non-interactive illusions/hallucinations say I'm right.

Apart from the interactive illusion the Leviathans subject us to which say you're wrong.

[BansheeOwnage]

CoolioThane wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Megumi do you go into literal threads and argue with them constantly at every single point? If not then it's being a hypocrite as they're both as valid as each other...

Nope.  I brought that up earlier.  Dwailing's hormones went into overdrive and he jumped on the grenade.

Your signature is literally perfect

No! It's a hallucination. All the evidence points to it. It's not bad writing!!!

[BleedingUranium]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Yeah? The illusion takes place in Shepard's mind...which is stimulated by the Reaper-affected body chemicals.

Over the course of all games there is just no precedence for that, but quite a few for what I wrote.

Leviathan. Not that we needed that.

Overlord. Geth Consensus. Hell, Arrival.

In none of those were illusions of Reaper origin but Arrival, and what was the illusion there? Right flashes of something that is happening. No consistent minutes long interactive hallucination.

That's being beyond excessively specific.

You should watch all of the "supports IT" section of my sig. It's not about showing two things to be 100% identical, it's about pattern recognition and such.

And the pattern of 100% inconsistent, non-interactive illusions/hallucinations say I'm right.

No. You are being too specific. Leviathan. Geth Consensus. There's a message there, it doesn't have to be the same thing for there to be a message, this is literature.

[demersel]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Yeah? The illusion takes place in Shepard's mind...which is stimulated by the Reaper-affected body chemicals.

Over the course of all games there is just no precedence for that, but quite a few for what I wrote.

Leviathan. Not that we needed that.

Overlord. Geth Consensus. Hell, Arrival.

In none of those were illusions of Reaper origin but Arrival, and what was the illusion there? Right flashes of something that is happening. No consistent minutes long interactive hallucination.

Go talk to Hellish. He'll tell you all about the long interactive hallucination that started in Arrival. 

[BleedingUranium]

My Anderson supports IT link feels appropriate right now.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 04 janvier 2013 - 06:52 .

[BansheeOwnage]

draconian139 wrote...

Who do you think would be better at creating illusions?  Geth or Reapers?

Reapers without a doubt. They are far more advanced. I find it easy to think they could build a much more sophisticated "dream" than the geth. You know, the original script had the consensus look like an ideal version of Rannoch? It's a preparation for the end.

[MegumiAzusa]

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Yeah? The illusion takes place in Shepard's mind...which is stimulated by the Reaper-affected body chemicals.

Over the course of all games there is just no precedence for that, but quite a few for what I wrote.

Leviathan. Not that we needed that.

Overlord. Geth Consensus. Hell, Arrival.

In none of those were illusions of Reaper origin but Arrival, and what was the illusion there? Right flashes of something that is happening. No consistent minutes long interactive hallucination.

That's being beyond excessively specific.

You should watch all of the "supports IT" section of my sig. It's not about showing two things to be 100% identical, it's about pattern recognition and such.

And the pattern of 100% inconsistent, non-interactive illusions/hallucinations say I'm right.

Apart from the interactive illusion the Leviathans subject us to which say you're wrong.

It's common when technology and biology evolves that previous concepts are scrapped.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 04 janvier 2013 - 06:53 .

[draconian139]

I found his thoughts interesting...good thing a squad of marines encountered project Rho instead of my Shep.

[BleedingUranium]

I'll be back in maybe an hour or so, see you all later! 

[demersel]

draconian139 wrote...

I found his thoughts interesting...good thing a squad of marines encountered project Rho instead of my Shep.

Did he also tell that it doesn't matter what you think, since arrival is canon, and it WAS your Shepard who encountered object Rho? 

[Rifneno]

draconian139 wrote...

I found his thoughts interesting...good thing a squad of marines encountered project Rho instead of my Shep.

Shepard: Great, I'll grab my team and get right on this.
Hackett: No team, Shepard.  I can't send a squad of soldiers in there!  They'll execute her for sure!  Do this alone, or not at all!
Shepard: But Thane and Kasumi are two of the stealthiest--
Hackett: ALONE OR NOT AT ALL.

If not at all?  Hackett sends in a squad of soldiers.

<sigh>

[draconian139]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

Who do you think would be better at creating illusions?  Geth or Reapers?

Reapers without a doubt. They are far more advanced. I find it easy to think they could build a much more sophisticated "dream" than the geth. You know, the original script had the consensus look like an ideal version of Rannoch? It's a preparation for the end.

Yea, this was mostly aimed at Megumi since she's essentially arguing that the Reapers are worse.

[CoolioThane]

MegumiAzusa wrote...


It's common when technology and biology evolves that previous concepts are scrapped.

Yes, concepts that become less useful/redundant. The illusions the Reapers can project would be more than invaluable in indoctrinating subjects...so you're still making more of a leap than us.

[Rifneno]

Arguing with Megumi is like having a headbutting contest with Grunt. An hour later, the only thing that'll have changed is that you have a splitting headache.

[BleedingUranium]

Rifneno wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

I found his thoughts interesting...good thing a squad of marines encountered project Rho instead of my Shep.

Shepard: Great, I'll grab my team and get right on this.
Hackett: No team, Shepard.  I can't send a squad of soldiers in there!  They'll execute her for sure!  Do this alone, or not at all!
Shepard: But Thane and Kasumi are two of the stealthiest--
Hackett: ALONE OR NOT AT ALL.

If not at all?  Hackett sends in a squad of soldiers.

<sigh>

I say if you didn't get Arrival then you shouldn't be able to import into ME3 because the Reapers invaded and killed everyone already  And Liara gets killed by the Shadow Broker, etc.

Okay, I'm really going now.

[BansheeOwnage]

draconian139 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

Who do you think would be better at creating illusions?  Geth or Reapers?

Reapers without a doubt. They are far more advanced. I find it easy to think they could build a much more sophisticated "dream" than the geth. You know, the original script had the consensus look like an ideal version of Rannoch? It's a preparation for the end.

Yea, this was mostly aimed at Megumi since she's essentially arguing that the Reapers are worse.

An odd argument for sure.

[Rifneno]

BleedingUranium wrote...

I say if you didn't get Arrival then you shouldn't be able to import into ME3 because the Reapers invaded and killed everyone already  And Liara gets killed by the Shadow Broker, etc.

Okay, I'm really going now.

I don't think they could've/should've done that since Arrival was a DLC.  With a price tag.  But they shouldn't have acted as if Shepard never did it if it's canon, which it certainly seems to be judging from the other media.

[MegumiAzusa]

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...


It's common when technology and biology evolves that previous concepts are scrapped.

Yes, concepts that become less useful/redundant. The illusions the Reapers can project would be more than invaluable in indoctrinating subjects...so you're still making more of a leap than us.

Not really. Reactions to hallucinations are too unpredictable. Just changing the chemical composition to make the subject fall in line is much saver. Though that's why the thralls have some sort of expiration date, the more is changed the less autonomous they get. Though the Reapers don't really care about that.

[CoolioThane]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...


It's common when technology and biology evolves that previous concepts are scrapped.

Yes, concepts that become less useful/redundant. The illusions the Reapers can project would be more than invaluable in indoctrinating subjects...so you're still making more of a leap than us.

Not really. Reactions to hallucinations are too unpredictable. Just changing the chemical composition to make the subject fall in line is much saver. Though that's why the thralls have some sort of expiration date, the more is changed the less autonomous they get. Though the Reapers don't really care about that.

So you're completely guessing and using these guesses to try and explain how we're wrong...whilst we're using correlation? smh

[draconian139]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...


It's common when technology and biology evolves that previous concepts are scrapped.

Yes, concepts that become less useful/redundant. The illusions the Reapers can project would be more than invaluable in indoctrinating subjects...so you're still making more of a leap than us.

Not really. Reactions to hallucinations are too unpredictable. Just changing the chemical composition to make the subject fall in line is much saver. Though that's why the thralls have some sort of expiration date, the more is changed the less autonomous they get. Though the Reapers don't really care about that.

To me they do.  I think the lack of at least partial autonomy is what renders some indoctrinated individuals so useless.

[BansheeOwnage]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...


It's common when technology and biology evolves that previous concepts are scrapped.

Yes, concepts that become less useful/redundant. The illusions the Reapers can project would be more than invaluable in indoctrinating subjects...so you're still making more of a leap than us.

Not really. Reactions to hallucinations are too unpredictable. Just changing the chemical composition to make the subject fall in line is much saver. Though that's why the thralls have some sort of expiration date, the more is changed the less autonomous they get. Though the Reapers don't really care about that.

You're kidding right?

[draconian139]

Rifneno wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I say if you didn't get Arrival then you shouldn't be able to import into ME3 because the Reapers invaded and killed everyone already  And Liara gets killed by the Shadow Broker, etc.

Okay, I'm really going now.

I don't think they could've/should've done that since Arrival was a DLC.  With a price tag.  But they shouldn't have acted as if Shepard never did it if it's canon, which it certainly seems to be judging from the other media.

The funny thing is that I bought Arrival and got the mission from Hackett.  I just never did it, since my Shepard is insanely paranoid.  Must be all those voices he hears.

Edit:Hey Rif you have a much better grasp on the extended Mass Effect universe than me, does anyone other than Liara do anything that's actually useful between Arrival and the beginning of ME3?

Modifié par draconian139, 04 janvier 2013 - 07:15 .

[Rifneno]

draconian139 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I say if you didn't get Arrival then you shouldn't be able to import into ME3 because the Reapers invaded and killed everyone already  And Liara gets killed by the Shadow Broker, etc.

Okay, I'm really going now.

I don't think they could've/should've done that since Arrival was a DLC.  With a price tag.  But they shouldn't have acted as if Shepard never did it if it's canon, which it certainly seems to be judging from the other media.

The funny thing is that I bought Arrival and got the mission from Hackett.  I just never did it, since my Shepard is insanely paranoid.  Must be all those voices he hears.

Edit:Hey Rif you have a much better grasp on the extended Mass Effect universe than me, does anyone other than Liara do anything that's actually useful between Arrival and the beginning of ME3?

She just plays Shadow Broker and looks for something to help against the Reapers.  Glyph leads to the Mars archives and the Crucible.  Which is one of the reasons many of us are suspicious of Glyph.

[CoolioThane]

James is in a bar fight and hears Shepard has to face trial for blowing up the Bahak system and the only reason he comes to Earth is to accompany you at the trial.