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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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TJBartlemus wrote...

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Mike Gamble wants to tell emotionally engaging stories regardless of if they take place after ME3 or not.Posted Image
True Story.


Oh Mike, you tease!

Obviously this statement goes against Mac Walters statements from another interview that "This is it". Having said that, it seems to be too well in our favor. It must be interpretable in another way, otherwise this is the first instance where Bioware says that there is a possibility for post-ending content.

It is certainly weird, but more interesting if you note that he was not at all prompted to say that. What I mean is the interviewer didn't say "Does this occur after ME3?" or anything. Like when BW themselves said there will be no "ABC" endings. It wasn't the interviewer that said that; it was BW's suggestion alone.


Something interesting I found yesterday. It seems that in Leviathan we will be seeing a lot of the enemies from ME2. :blink:




Okay um did Mike just say Leviathan can be the antagonist, makes you
think, if he does, then what could this mean at the end game?

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And just for comparison. Husks throughout the ages: [ME1] [ME2] [ME3]

Note the eyes and the tubes.

-edit- And one of the Integrated for additional comparison.

-reedit-

masster blaster wrote...

Okay um did Mike just say Leviathan can be the antagonist, makes you  think, if he does, then what could this mean at the end game?

You guys were seriously thinking that a reaper or something related to them could be your friend? What, are you indoctrinated or something?

The Codex states...
A Reaper's "suggestions" can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies, or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious awe.


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Wow the integrated one looks like the control choice explosion... you know just slightly after Shepard disintegrates
I meant when Shepard grabs both control levers... the integrated eyes look like what happens when Shepard grabs the control panels.

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Simon_Says wrote...

And just for comparison. Husks throughout the ages: [ME1] [ME2] [ME3]

Note the eyes and the tubes.

-edit- And one of the Integrated for additional comparison.


they eyes look like they were foggy, but over time they look like static blue. Also the tubs looked likt they got smaller, and the hole got biggger on the chest. And that Cerberus trooper/refuge, looks like the husk from one, and two, but mostly one.

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Simon_Says wrote...

And just for comparison. Husks throughout the ages: [ME1] [ME2] [ME3]

Note the eyes and the tubes.

-edit- And one of the Integrated for additional comparison.

-reedit-

masster blaster wrote...

Okay um did Mike just say Leviathan can be the antagonist, makes you  think, if he does, then what could this mean at the end game?

You guys were seriously thinking that a reaper or something related to them could be your friend? What, are you indoctrinated or something?

The Codex states...
A Reaper's "suggestions" can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies, or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious awe.




Yes i know that, but Leviathan makes me wonder what the hell is going to happen to the end game now. And is Leviathan giving us the FULL TRUTH about the Reapers, or anything he says.

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http://www.gamingtru...michael-gamble/

GT: Does Leviathan do anything to change the ending of Mass Effect 3?
MG: I wouldn’t say that Leviathan changes the ending of Mass Effect 3 at all, but I would say that the information provided in Leviathan, the context you get in Leviathan, will give players a greater understanding of the ending of Mass Effect 3 and there’s also a couple of Easter eggs if you have the Extended Cut–which kind of works with Leviathan as well.


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So I guess we are all trying to find new things to speculate on, well I am almost done with the next discussion with TIM, we have on Thessia.

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GT: Does Leviathan do anything to change the ending of Mass Effect 3?
MG: I wouldn’t say that Leviathan changes the ending of Mass Effect 3 at all, but I would say that the information provided in Leviathan, the context you get in Leviathan, will give players a greater understanding of the ending of Mass Effect 3 and there’s also a couple of Easter eggs if you have the Extended Cut–which kind of works with Leviathan as well.


more to come from BattleFront.

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masster blaster wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

And just for comparison. Husks throughout the ages: [ME1] [ME2] [ME3]

Note the eyes and the tubes.

-edit- And one of the Integrated for additional comparison.

-reedit-

masster blaster wrote...

Okay um did Mike just say Leviathan can be the antagonist, makes you  think, if he does, then what could this mean at the end game?

You guys were seriously thinking that a reaper or something related to them could be your friend? What, are you indoctrinated or something?

The Codex states...
A Reaper's "suggestions" can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies, or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious awe.




Yes i know that, but Leviathan makes me wonder what the hell is going to happen to the end game now. And is Leviathan giving us the FULL TRUTH about the Reapers, or anything he says.


I can assume what ever is revealed to us in Leviathan is going to be big. I can't wait!!! Hopefully in the next week or 2 there will be an announcement. :happy:

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LtBehemoth wrote...

http://www.gamingtru...michael-gamble/

GT: Does Leviathan do anything to change the ending of Mass Effect 3?
MG: I wouldn’t say that Leviathan changes the ending of Mass Effect 3 at all, but I would say that the information provided in Leviathan, the context you get in Leviathan, will give players a greater understanding of the ending of Mass Effect 3 and there’s also a couple of Easter eggs if you have the Extended Cut–which kind of works with Leviathan as well.


Dat wording...

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masster blaster wrote...

LtBehemoth wrote...

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GT: Does Leviathan do anything to change the ending of Mass Effect 3?
MG: I wouldn’t say that Leviathan changes the ending of Mass Effect 3 at all, but I would say that the information provided in Leviathan, the context you get in Leviathan, will give players a greater understanding of the ending of Mass Effect 3 and there’s also a couple of Easter eggs if you have the Extended Cut–which kind of works with Leviathan as well.


more to come from BattleFront.


I wonder what easter eggs does he mean?

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LtBehemoth wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

LtBehemoth wrote...

http://www.gamingtru...michael-gamble/

GT: Does Leviathan do anything to change the ending of Mass Effect 3?
MG: I wouldn’t say that Leviathan changes the ending of Mass Effect 3 at all, but I would say that the information provided in Leviathan, the context you get in Leviathan, will give players a greater understanding of the ending of Mass Effect 3 and there’s also a couple of Easter eggs if you have the Extended Cut–which kind of works with Leviathan as well.


more to come from BattleFront.


I wonder what easter eggs does he mean?


What does the EC have that the original ending doesn't? Additional dialog with the Catalyst. And that's also what TSA and others found in the EC files: extra dialog lines with the Catalyst.
Can't imagine what else he might mean. If Leviathan becomes your BFF an extra slide for him? :P

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double post.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 09 août 2012 - 07:33 .


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LtBehemoth wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

LtBehemoth wrote...

http://www.gamingtru...michael-gamble/

GT: Does Leviathan do anything to change the ending of Mass Effect 3?
MG: I wouldn’t say that Leviathan changes the ending of Mass Effect 3 at all, but I would say that the information provided in Leviathan, the context you get in Leviathan, will give players a greater understanding of the ending of Mass Effect 3 and there’s also a couple of Easter eggs if you have the Extended Cut–which kind of works with Leviathan as well.


more to come from BattleFront.


I wonder what easter eggs does he mean?


Okay um I am just going to say this, what if they add leviathan saying " Wake up." to Shepard when you get the breath scene, this happence right after you hear Shepard makes a breath. Maybe that's the Easter egg, or they will add more to the endings/the refuse/reject ending, but I don't know.

So nobody wants to say your wrong, or hey maybe your right.

Remember there is a long pause before Shepard takes a breath, enof time for Leviathan, or the Real Anderson to say "wake up", or get rid of the smoke in the breath scene, and see where Shepard is really at.

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triple post :whistle:

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LtBehemoth wrote...

I wonder what easter eggs does he mean?


A basket full of easter eggs next to the green beam of synthe-indoctrination maybe?

"Come to the synthy side, we have eggs" :whistle:

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MaximizedAction wrote...

LtBehemoth wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

LtBehemoth wrote...

http://www.gamingtru...michael-gamble/

GT: Does Leviathan do anything to change the ending of Mass Effect 3?
MG: I wouldn’t say that Leviathan changes the ending of Mass Effect 3 at all, but I would say that the information provided in Leviathan, the context you get in Leviathan, will give players a greater understanding of the ending of Mass Effect 3 and there’s also a couple of Easter eggs if you have the Extended Cut–which kind of works with Leviathan as well.


more to come from BattleFront.


I wonder what easter eggs does he mean?


What does the EC have that the original ending doesn't? Additional dialog with the Catalyst. And that's also what TSA and others found in the EC files: extra dialog lines with the Catalyst.
Can't imagine what else he might mean. If Leviathan becomes your BFF an extra slide for him? :P


Leviathan: "Shepard, hop on my back, we're going on an adventure!"

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Simon_Says wrote...

And just for comparison. Husks throughout the ages: [ME1] [ME2] [ME3]

Note the eyes and the tubes.

What's interesting is that it's mentioned in ME2 that the husks are different when you first encounter one. Still they look the same as ME1 imo.

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masster blaster wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

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masster blaster wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

I think the point of seeing Shepard's double unarmed and without armor and the starkid standing next to you is an implication that the starchild (or your indoctrinated mind) wants you domesticated and defanged, the ideal Shepard for the reapers... that's why you drop the gun in both synthesis and control.

Don't forget the eyes. Bioware never talked about the eyes at all in Control, and Sythesis.

Since we're talking about eyes again. For those who missed it, yes those are the eyes of the indoctrinated in Control and Synthesis.

And no they're not the same cybernetic eyes as Rnegade!Shepard's.


Just noticed this...hey Shepard's facial markings for both control and synthesis energy are the same! Squared a couple of places for reference

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I thought synthesis and control were supposed to be different:P (not really), yet the energy from both still change Shepard's face the exact same way except for the color.

It's almost as if Mac and Casey were trying to tell us something.


Yes, and how both have the same body tansformation. So maybe they did.


This is great evidence. We need to make sure we include picture evidence like this in the IT primer.

That said, I can already see the handwave from literalists: "lazy artists reusing design elements!"

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I stopped liking Neverending Story when Falcor became an ass in Terraria.

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Simon_Says wrote...

I stopped liking Neverending Story when Falcor became an ass in Terraria.


So did I Simon.

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smokingotter1 wrote...


Leviathan: "Shepard, hop on my back, we're going on an adventure!"

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That movie creeped me the hell out.

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Norlond wrote...

LtBehemoth wrote...

I wonder what easter eggs does he mean?


A basket full of easter eggs next to the green beam of synthe-indoctrination maybe?

"Come to the synthy side, we have eggs" :whistle:


That's gonna be hilarious.:D
But seriously what did they added? Evacuation scene with reaper "wurwurwur" sound in the middle of it, strange noise waiking up Shepard after conduit lift, little bit of Hackett, more lines with spacechild and prologue.
I cannot name conversation with spacechild an "easter egg".

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Hrothdane wrote...

*mega snip*

This is great evidence. We need to make sure we include picture evidence like this in the IT primer.

That said, I can already see the handwave from literalists: "lazy artists reusing design elements!"


All
this confirms to me is that the energy from the conduit is being
funnelled into the control panels. The only difference between
control/synthesis is whether or not you want to sip from the
indoctrination fountain or say screw it and jump in the indoctrination
reservoir for a swim.

Edit: Or to put it another way-
Synthesis = absolute indoctrination, 80 proof
Control = Michalob Ultra of indoctrination, more control less filling.

Think about it TIM had a little bit of indoctrination buzz going on, but not enough for him to stop fighting the reapers, however in ME3 he has the equivelent of a kegger (because of the remains of the human reaper) and goes blackout indoctrinated.

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There are some new dialogue lines in the DLC_Shared thing for the firefight pack:

<data>I've been thinking about what we learned, Shepard. The thing is, I don't really care what the Reapers are or where they're from.</data>
</string>
<string>
<id>758022</id>
<position>228</position>
<data>They're monsters that need to be put down. That's all I need to know.</data>