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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Kyrene wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

True Shepards did Arrival or the story makes 0 sense

Not really, I done a play through with Shepard not doing it and they just mention a group of marines doing it and non survive and that shepherd on trial for being apart of Cerberus.

Mine didn't either, since I refused to buy Arrival after watching it on 'tube. I see Shepard being on trial for:
a) All the **** s/he did on the shady side in ME1.
All the **** s/he did with Cerberus in ME2.
c) Wiping a star system.

If you did Arrival Shepard's docket includes a-c, else only a&b and the marines wiped the star system.

Exactly, Shepard worked for Cerberus, thus commiting treason against both the Systems Alliance and Council Space. If that doesn't constitute a trial, nothing will.

[KyreneZA]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Hey, everybody. Have I missed anything today?

Are you a converted ITer nowadays Darth?

[byne]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...


Exactly, Shepard worked for Cerberus, thus commiting treason against both the Systems Alliance and Council Space. If that doesn't constitute a trial, nothing will.

Please see above about working for Cerberus.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

byne wrote...

Shepard is a Spectre in ME1. The laws dont apply to her.

Neither Joker nor Chakwas were on trial for working for Cerberus, so I doubt thats why Shep is on trial.

Only doing Arrival makes the trial make any kind of sense.

Chakwas played the legal system by "having a leave of absense", so she technically never left the Alliance. As for Joker, we don't know his case, but he was under guard while helping with the Normandy retrofits so he's possibly in custody too.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Kyrene wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Hey, everybody. Have I missed anything today?

Are you a converted ITer nowadays Darth?

You didn't see the huge project I posted here as a tribute to become an ITer? Either way, yes I am though I'm in the fortuitous position where I still like the endings but like IT more.

[BleedingUranium]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

byne wrote...

Shepard is a Spectre in ME1. The laws dont apply to her.

Neither Joker nor Chakwas were on trial for working for Cerberus, so I doubt thats why Shep is on trial.

Only doing Arrival makes the trial make any kind of sense.

Chakwas played the legal system by "having a leave of absense", so she technically never left the Alliance. As for Joker, we don't know his case, but he was under guard while helping with the Normandy retrofits so he's possibly in custody too.

Shepard was dead, that's even better than a leave of absence.


Also, I'm currently using a Revenant, Widow, Claymore, Phalanx, and Cain in ME2

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 04 janvier 2013 - 09:10 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

BleedingUranium wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

byne wrote...

Shepard is a Spectre in ME1. The laws dont apply to her.

Neither Joker nor Chakwas were on trial for working for Cerberus, so I doubt thats why Shep is on trial.

Only doing Arrival makes the trial make any kind of sense.

Chakwas played the legal system by "having a leave of absense", so she technically never left the Alliance. As for Joker, we don't know his case, but he was under guard while helping with the Normandy retrofits so he's possibly in custody too.

Shepard was dead, that's even better than a leave of absence.

I'm talking about the events of ME2 after Lazarus being on trial.

Edit: How do you have all three weapons?

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 04 janvier 2013 - 09:11 .

[byne]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

byne wrote...

Shepard is a Spectre in ME1. The laws dont apply to her.

Neither Joker nor Chakwas were on trial for working for Cerberus, so I doubt thats why Shep is on trial.

Only doing Arrival makes the trial make any kind of sense.

Chakwas played the legal system by "having a leave of absense", so she technically never left the Alliance. As for Joker, we don't know his case, but he was under guard while helping with the Normandy retrofits so he's possibly in custody too.

Last I checked, having a leave of absence doesnt allow you to work with terrorists.

My dad cant take a leave of absence from the Air Force and then go join Al'Qaeda for a few months, no questions asked, for example.

[Eryri]

Holy Moly! There's about 50 pages since I last looked at the thread! Anything new come up?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

byne wrote...
Last I checked, having a leave of absence doesnt allow you to work with terrorists.

My dad cant take a leave of absence from the Air Force and then go join Al'Qaeda for a few months, no questions asked, for example.

Ah Toushe', but that was Chakwas' explanation and Joker was in custody.

[byne]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

byne wrote...
Last I checked, having a leave of absence doesnt allow you to work with terrorists.

My dad cant take a leave of absence from the Air Force and then go join Al'Qaeda for a few months, no questions asked, for example.

Ah Toushe', but that was Chakwas' explanation and Joker was in custody.

I dont recall Joker ever being in custody.

[KyreneZA]

byne wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

I see Shepard being on trial for:
a) All the **** s/he did on the shady side in ME1.
All the **** s/he did with Cerberus in ME2.
c) Wiping a star system.

If you did Arrival Shepard's docket includes a-c, else only a&b and the marines wiped the star system.

Shepard is a Spectre in ME1. The laws dont apply to her.

Neither Joker nor Chakwas were on trial for working for Cerberus, so I doubt thats why Shep is on trial.

Only doing Arrival makes the trial make any kind of sense.

Actually, the whole so-called 'trial' makes no sense, except that the plot contrived for Shepard being on Earth at the start of ME3. Basing the trial on a canonical event that Shepard may/not have been part of (since it wasn't part of the core ME2 game) was a mistake on BioWare's part.

As for your counter arguments: let's just agree to disagree right here, because this is bound to lead to argument territory.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

byne wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

byne wrote...
Last I checked, having a leave of absence doesnt allow you to work with terrorists.

My dad cant take a leave of absence from the Air Force and then go join Al'Qaeda for a few months, no questions asked, for example.

Ah Toushe', but that was Chakwas' explanation and Joker was in custody.

I dont recall Joker ever being in custody.

He was under guard while helping with the Normandy refit by the two soldiers now guarding the door to the War Room.

[Andromidius]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...
Exactly, Shepard worked for Cerberus, thus commiting treason against both the Systems Alliance and Council Space. If that doesn't constitute a trial, nothing will.

Problems with this:

1/ The Council knows about this, and grudgingly gives token support to Shepard anyway.
2/ Anderson knows about this, and gives support regardless.
3/ Hackett knows about this, and gives support regardless and repeatedly asks for help from Shepard.
4/ Shepard helps a lot of people during this time, and even potentially saves the Galaxy by defeating the Collectors.  And then the moment the job is done, leaves Cerberus in the dust and hands over to the Alliance.

If Shepard is put on trial for that, every single high-ranking member of the Council and Alliance would also have to go on trial for corruption and collaboration.

[Andromidius]

byne wrote...

I dont recall Joker ever being in custody.

He wasn't.  He got out of it by being 'the only one the Normandy's VI would respond to' so he could help with the retrofit.

Which is a pretty weak excuse to not put him under custody.  Its clear the Alliance didn't want to do anything to the crew, and were doing token responces to stop the Batarians from igniting a war over it.

[Rosewind]

byne wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

True Shepards did Arrival or the story makes 0 sense

Not really, I done a play through with Shepard not doing it and they just mention a group of marines doing it and non survive and that shepherd on trial for being apart of Cerberus.

Mine didn't either, since I refused to buy Arrival after watching it on 'tube. I see Shepard being on trial for:
a) All the **** s/he did on the shady side in ME1.
All the **** s/he did with Cerberus in ME2.
c) Wiping a star system.

If you did Arrival Shepard's docket includes a-c, else only a&b and the marines wiped the star system.

Shepard is a Spectre in ME1. The laws dont apply to her.

Neither Joker nor Chakwas were on trial for working for Cerberus, so I doubt thats why Shep is on trial.

Only doing Arrival makes the trial make any kind of sense.

Actually Joker was under custody and Chakwas was I don't know what happened with her.

[byne]

Kyrene wrote...

byne wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

I see Shepard being on trial for:
a) All the **** s/he did on the shady side in ME1.
All the **** s/he did with Cerberus in ME2.
c) Wiping a star system.

If you did Arrival Shepard's docket includes a-c, else only a&b and the marines wiped the star system.

Shepard is a Spectre in ME1. The laws dont apply to her.

Neither Joker nor Chakwas were on trial for working for Cerberus, so I doubt thats why Shep is on trial.

Only doing Arrival makes the trial make any kind of sense.

Actually, the whole so-called 'trial' makes no sense, except that the plot contrived for Shepard being on Earth at the start of ME3. Basing the trial on a canonical event that Shepard may/not have been part of (since it wasn't part of the core ME2 game) was a mistake on BioWare's part.

As for your counter arguments: let's just agree to disagree right here, because this is bound to lead to argument territory.

Even having the trial on Earth makes no sense. The Alliance parliament is at Arcturus Station.

I think seeing Arcturus destroyed along with the Third and Fifth fleets would have been way more interesting than seeing Earth get attacked.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Andromidius wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...
Exactly, Shepard worked for Cerberus, thus commiting treason against both the Systems Alliance and Council Space. If that doesn't constitute a trial, nothing will.

Problems with this:

1/ The Council knows about this, and grudgingly gives token support to Shepard anyway.
2/ Anderson knows about this, and gives support regardless.
3/ Hackett knows about this, and gives support regardless and repeatedly asks for help from Shepard.
4/ Shepard helps a lot of people during this time, and even potentially saves the Galaxy by defeating the Collectors.  And then the moment the job is done, leaves Cerberus in the dust and hands over to the Alliance.

If Shepard is put on trial for that, every single high-ranking member of the Council and Alliance would also have to go on trial for corruption and collaboration.

In LOTSB, there's a message to Admiral Hackett from the Alliance Brass asking for assistance in bringing Shepard in, to which Hackett refuses. As for Council, their deal with Shepard could be seen as similar to Mission Impossible, where if an agent is captured the agency doesn't lift a finger to aid them and denies any involvement.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Andromidius wrote...

byne wrote...

I dont recall Joker ever being in custody.

He wasn't.  He got out of it by being 'the only one the Normandy's VI would respond to' so he could help with the retrofit.

Which is a pretty weak excuse to not put him under custody.  Its clear the Alliance didn't want to do anything to the crew, and were doing token responces to stop the Batarians from igniting a war over it.

He was under armed guard by the two War Room guards. He was under custody, but currently serving work detail, just like a chain gang. As for the cerberus crew, they probably jumped ship before Shepard turned them all in, with the exceptions of Daniels and Donnely(which were both in custody until Shepard frees them through SPECTRE status).

[Andromidius]

Regardless, having Arrival potentially not happen in the game despite saying it was 100% canon from a story point of view was a weird choice from Bioware.

[byne]

I still think a trial would have been a perfect way to have sort of an extended version of the scene in ME2 when Miranda asks you who you appointed to the council.

Could be a way for new players to make choices from previous games by having the people at the trial reviewing all your previous actions from the last two games, with you telling them what happened.

[KyreneZA]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Hey, everybody. Have I missed anything today?

Are you a converted ITer nowadays Darth?

You didn't see the huge project I posted here as a tribute to become an ITer? Either way, yes I am though I'm in the fortuitous position where I still like the endings but like IT more.

Mostly this thread moves too fast for me to keep up. Now and then I find a nugget of pure IT amongst the bickering, trolling, crackpot theories and just general cameraderie of the actual ITers. Could you link me to the project?

Oh and I suppose congratulations are in order. Always did see you as a logical kind of person.

[Hrothdane]

byne wrote...

I still think a trial would have been a perfect way to have sort of an extended version of the scene in ME2 when Miranda asks you who you appointed to the council.

Could be a way for new players to make choices from previous games by having the people at the trial reviewing all your previous actions from the last two games, with you telling them what happened.

Oh yes, this would have been perfect.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Kyrene wrote...
Mostly this thread moves too fast for me to keep up. Now and then I find a nugget of pure IT amongst the bickering, trolling, crackpot theories and just general cameraderie of the actual ITers. Could you link me to the project?

Oh and I suppose congratulations are in order. Always did see you as a logical kind of person.

Thanks for the congratulations. As for the project, if you have no problem with anime, then the link to the full versions in my sig. However, if you do, let me know and I'll PM you the pictureless version ASAP. While it doesn't talk about IT, perse, it is what convinced me to support it.

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Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 04 janvier 2013 - 09:29 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Hrothdane wrote...

byne wrote...

I still think a trial would have been a perfect way to have sort of an extended version of the scene in ME2 when Miranda asks you who you appointed to the council.

Could be a way for new players to make choices from previous games by having the people at the trial reviewing all your previous actions from the last two games, with you telling them what happened.

Oh yes, this would have been perfect.

That would have been awesome, and I agree with it taking place on Arcturus Station for no other reason than I wanted to know what it looked like and unless the Alliance rebuilds it, I'll never know.