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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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byne wrote...

Even having the trial on Earth makes no sense. The Alliance parliament is at Arcturus Station.

I think seeing Arcturus destroyed along with the Third and Fifth fleets would have been way more interesting than seeing Earth get attacked.

On that we can agree!

I always found that scene where Shepard watches a burning Earth (from one of the first promotional videos; I think it was the Big Ben Coats one) and turns around a lot more emotional than the actual leaving Earth scene in the game where the shuttles are lazored (and 'the kid' gets killed).

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Kyrene wrote...

byne wrote...

Even having the trial on Earth makes no sense. The Alliance parliament is at Arcturus Station.

I think seeing Arcturus destroyed along with the Third and Fifth fleets would have been way more interesting than seeing Earth get attacked.

On that we can agree!

I always found that scene where Shepard watches a burning Earth (from one of the first promotional videos; I think it was the Big Ben Coats one) and turns around a lot more emotional than the actual leaving Earth scene in the game where the shuttles are lazored (and 'the kid' gets killed).

It was their VGA announcement trailer.

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Why would they wrap the great quests to get all the races, the fantastic squadmate story lines and dialogues between the awkward beginning and the underwhelming priority earth ending?

Developer inside joke?

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byne wrote...

I still think a trial would have been a perfect way to have sort of an extended version of the scene in ME2 when Miranda asks you who you appointed to the council.

Could be a way for new players to make choices from previous games by having the people at the trial reviewing all your previous actions from the last two games, with you telling them what happened.


Oh yes, this would have been perfect.

+1

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There's a thread asking why Bioware doesn't deny IT. Hmm, I wonder... *snickers to self*

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lex0r11 wrote...

Why would they wrap the great quests to get all the races, the fantastic squadmate story lines and dialogues between the awkward beginning and the underwhelming priority earth ending?

Developer inside joke?

I presume you're being ironic/sarcastic in your first paragraph...

Crackpot Theory #57395762: What if Shepard never woke up from hitting the bench at the hearingsummoning before the admirals?

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Shepard is indoctrinated. That part of the theory follows through…making everything you see a lie. What if everything that happens…..happens. BUT instead of picking a way of tackling the reapers you are instead picking the way the reapers will deal with humanity? They assume Shepard is the best humanity has to offer, so they indoctrinate him, then leave the choice up to him. In that way Mankind chooses it’s own destiny.

DESTROY!
Humanity is utterly destroyed.

CONTROL!
Humanity is turned into a Human Reaper.

SYNTHESIS!
Humanity is made into a collector species.

Well done Commander Shepard. Boned we are.

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Edit: How do you have all three weapons?


Save editor, just check all three as "acquired" Posted Image


lex0r11 wrote...

Why would they wrap the great quests to get all the races, the fantastic squadmate story lines and dialogues between the awkward beginning and the underwhelming priority earth ending?

Developer inside joke?


I really have no idea or attempt at an explaination for why Priority Earth sucks so much. It's just terrible.

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Kyrene wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Why would they wrap the great quests to get all the races, the fantastic squadmate story lines and dialogues between the awkward beginning and the underwhelming priority earth ending?

Developer inside joke?

I presume you're being ironic/sarcastic in your first paragraph...

Crackpot Theory #57395762: What if Shepard never woke up from hitting the bench at the hearingsummoning before the admirals?


Oh well.. there is no denying that the middle section of this game has some memorable moments, wouldn't you agree? You must have favorite story quest in ME3, no?

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I've always seen control similar to the situation where Picard was assimilated to be Locutus the Borg.That template of an A.I. Shepard for the Human Reaper to use Shepard knowledge to defeat the races. I mean what if Shepard sabotage the Genophage? Or asked Kasumi to keep the greybox? What's stopping them sending indoctrinated agents to sabotage what the player work so hard to build. Well one thing we know for sure is Shepard know who all the big leaders are and the Reapers know who to take out. Especially Liara and her precious capsules to warn future cycles.

Okay I am gone.

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lex0r11 wrote...

Oh well.. there is no denying that the middle section of this game has some memorable moments, wouldn't you agree? You must have favorite story quest in ME3, no?


The last part of the Tuchanka arc is and always will be the best mission in the game.

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byne wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Oh well.. there is no denying that the middle section of this game has some memorable moments, wouldn't you agree? You must have favorite story quest in ME3, no?


The last part of the Tuchank arc is and always will be the best mission in the game.


Yes! I cry every time! Even getting teary thinking about it. Also I liked the Geth chain as well. Excuse I think I going to go cry now.

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Rosewind wrote...

byne wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Oh well.. there is no denying that the middle section of this game has some memorable moments, wouldn't you agree? You must have favorite story quest in ME3, no?


The last part of the Tuchank arc is and always will be the best mission in the game.


Yes! I cry every time! Even getting teary thinking about it. Also I liked the Geth chain as well. Excuse I think I going to go cry now.


What I love is that it's not just sad teary either, though there's definitely that. The scene right after Eve's speech, with all the Tomkahs driving together with "A Future For The Krogan" playing gets me every single time.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...


It's common when technology and biology evolves that previous concepts are scrapped.


Yes, concepts that become less useful/redundant. The illusions the Reapers can project would be more than invaluable in indoctrinating subjects...so you're still making more of a leap than us.

Not really. Reactions to hallucinations are too unpredictable. Just changing the chemical composition to make the subject fall in line is much saver. Though that's why the thralls have some sort of expiration date, the more is changed the less autonomous they get. Though the Reapers don't really care about that.


You're kidding right?



Kidding about what?
Maybe I fail to understand his post right but it reminds of when the Reapers didn't bother doing anything with the Protheans on worlds they already conquered.
They were all indoctrinated and eventually died because they were unable to do anything for themselves.

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lex0r11 wrote...

Oh well.. there is no denying that the middle section of this game has some memorable moments, wouldn't you agree? You must have favorite story quest in ME3, no?

Yes. Some moments/scenes were memorable. The rest was just too much filler mediocrity (automagical fetch quests/endless Cerberus battles/running around the Citadel/running around the Normandy/evading the Reapers minigame/unscary and inept Fail Leng).

Define "squadmate dialogue" though. There was precious little interactive dialogue with the core squad, let alone the ME2 crew.

To me, ME3 was to the ME universe what DA2 was to Thedas. That it all might have been in Shepard's mind is my only consolation.

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Kyrene wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Oh well.. there is no denying that the middle section of this game has some memorable moments, wouldn't you agree? You must have favorite story quest in ME3, no?

Yes. Some moments/scenes were memorable. The rest was just too much filler mediocrity (automagical fetch quests/endless Cerberus battles/running around the Citadel/running around the Normandy/evading the Reapers minigame/unscary and inept Fail Leng).

Define "squadmate dialogue" though. There was precious little interactive dialogue with the core squad, let alone the ME2 crew.

To me, ME3 was to the ME universe what DA2 was to Thedas. That it all might have been in Shepard's mind is my only consolation.


I never had a problem with any of that. I find very little wrong with ME3, less than most games for sure.

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I never had a problem with any of that. I find very little wrong with ME3, less than most games for sure.

I'm of the same mind, BleedingUranium. If I add all the things I didn't like about ME3, the games still receives an A+ from me.

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Well, seeing as though it appears I'm the only one left, I'm going to go to bed now. Night everybody.Posted Image

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 04 janvier 2013 - 11:05 .


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Kyrene wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

byne wrote...

I still think a trial would have been a perfect way to have sort of an extended version of the scene in ME2 when Miranda asks you who you appointed to the council.

Could be a way for new players to make choices from previous games by having the people at the trial reviewing all your previous actions from the last two games, with you telling them what happened.


Oh yes, this would have been perfect.

+1


+2.
In fact, this is exactly what I imagined it to be once I heard that there would be a trial at the beginning. Silly me, I was assuming it to be the court kind of trial, where one is questioned about one's crimes.


byne wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Oh well..
there is no denying that the middle section of this game has some
memorable moments, wouldn't you agree? You must have favorite story
quest in ME3, no?


The last part of the Tuchanka arc is and always will be the best mission in the game.


Used to think the same but in my second playthrough the final moments of the Rannoch arc got me, when this time I managed to bring peace between the Geth and Quarians.
When Legion uses "I" and falls on his knees in the sunrise...somehow this scene makes me really feel how that century long conflict finally came to an end and what future these two races might share.
All of my feels.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 04 janvier 2013 - 11:13 .


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MaximizedAction wrote...

Used to think the same but in my second playthrough the final moments of the Rannoch arc got me, when this time I managed to bring peace between the Geth and Quarians.
When Legion says I and falls on his knees in the sunrise...somehow this scene makes me really feel how that century long conflict finally came to an end and what future these two races might share.
All of my feels.


I don't think I could ever choose one arc over the other, they're both so good. Posted Image

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I never had a problem with any of that. I find very little wrong with ME3, less than most games for sure.

I'm of the same mind, BleedingUranium. If I add all the things I didn't like about ME3, the games still receives an A+ from me.

Comparing it to other games (that have also mostly sucked last year) doesn't help your argument BlUr. I agree with you that it is less faulty, but it sure isn't compared to its own two predecessors. IMO of course.

Perhaps you two are just more forgiving about what you fork $$$ out for.

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Kyrene wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I never had a problem with any of that. I find very little wrong with ME3, less than most games for sure.

I'm of the same mind, BleedingUranium. If I add all the things I didn't like about ME3, the games still receives an A+ from me.

Comparing it to other games (that have also mostly sucked last year) doesn't help your argument BlUr. I agree with you that it is less faulty, but it sure isn't compared to its own two predecessors. IMO of course.

Perhaps you two are just more forgiving about what you fork $$$ out for.


I was comparing it to everything, not just any particular year either. The only things I don't like are very minor, like how the journal sucks. Things of that level really don't bother me at all though, I'd consider that looking for problems. My only true complaint about ME3 is Priority Earth sucking, not the end end, but landing on Earth until the the Destroyer is killed.

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As a whole ME 3 is better than its predecessors.

Reasons you can read from here:

http://social.biowar...0836/2#12974866

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If Shepard was on trial for being with Cerberus, Anderson would've said that. He doesn't. He says either the Bahak relay, or if you didn't do Arrival it was "all the **** you've done". They don't even bother trying to come up with a rationale for it. Arrival's canon, and if you didn't do it, you get the exact same story with a few handwaves to stop people crying about how "they never killed 300,000 people" because their moral compass is pointing to "retarded."

I'm sure that in the end it'll be the same as Anderson's line. If you did Arrival, it'll Object Rho that indoctrinated Shepard (or tried). If not, it'll be "all the Reaper tech you've been around."

As for Arcturus Station, that's a good point except it would've been a lot harder to explain away how Shepard got away. AS was destroyed by Reaper capital ships right out of the gate. Being a space station, that just leaves everyone with unforgiving vacuum of space. Hell, it'd be hard just to believe the Normandy was being retrofitted at AS rather than on Earth.

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Anyone know what those news on spectre offices say? They seem to pop rather randomly and without subtitles.