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[Andromidius]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

I'm a little bit out of the loop these days...rule 34?

"If it exists, there's pr0n of it"

edit: Really BSN, THIS post gets top?

Mass Effect is no exception.  Infact, its probably the reinforcement the rule always dreamed about.

There's even (joking) stuff about Harbinger and MaleShep.

[DoomsdayDevice]

CoolioThane wrote...

It's nothing Doomsday, some people just don't like others having a view they strongly believe is right if it differs from theirs and call people zealots for it. You're awesome

Everybody here is awesome! But we're all human, so we all have our flaws.

It's just that, yeah, I may have strong opinions on some things, like refuse vs. destroy, but that doesn't mean I think anyone who supports refuse is retarded. I've never said anything along the lines of 'anyone who disagrees with me is stupid'. That goes for IT, that goes for destroy vs. refuse, that goes for the whole Geth = indoctrinated thing. I don't expect people to agree with me, nor do I mind if they don't. (I do mind being ridiculed though)

I'd much prefer if Jade came in here and provided some good arguments instead of just poking around in the thread and making blanket statements about IT-ers being zealots.

If she wants to debate, then she should debate. If she goes around accusing people of being zealots, she's the one who's throwing around insults, and the joke is on herself.

I mean I really like Jade, but that was a bit of a wtf moment.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 04 janvier 2013 - 04:47 .

[CoolioThane]

Dwailing wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

There's been sleep Dwailing!

She's trying to argue there couldn't have been a hallucination because "we haven't seen them before" when we have...

...now she's changed it to "we haven't seen them like this before"...It's like a never-ending cycle,

But it's true, we HAVEN'T seen hallucinations just like the one at the ending.  I don't think that means it's impossible, but she is right about that.

Noone is saying she's not. We're saying it's more than likely the Reapers improved upon the Leviathan's illusions when they "perfected" enthrallment. That makes total sense, and that's the debate. 

[lex0r11]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

I'm a little bit out of the loop these days...rule 34?

"If it exists, there's pr0n of it"

edit: Really BSN, THIS post gets top?

It's either planed OR awkward stuff always get the top post. ;D

[DoomsdayDevice]

lex0r11 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

I'm a little bit out of the loop these days...rule 34?

"If it exists, there's pr0n of it"

edit: Really BSN, THIS post gets top?

It's either planed OR awkward stuff always get the top post. ;D

Seriously. We've had several instances of porn-raleted nonsense ending up on top recently.

[Dwailing]

CoolioThane wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

There's been sleep Dwailing!

She's trying to argue there couldn't have been a hallucination because "we haven't seen them before" when we have...

...now she's changed it to "we haven't seen them like this before"...It's like a never-ending cycle,

But it's true, we HAVEN'T seen hallucinations just like the one at the ending.  I don't think that means it's impossible, but she is right about that.

Noone is saying she's not. We're saying it's more than likely the Reapers improved upon the Leviathan's illusions when they "perfected" enthrallment. That makes total sense, and that's the debate. 

That does make sense.  However, do we have any direct evidence of it?  I'm not saying you're not making a valid point, but until BioWare shows us something that definitely says they did, that remains only an unconfirmed but plausible inductive inference.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Dwailing wrote...

That does make sense.  However, do we have any direct evidence of it?  I'm not saying you're not making a valid point, but until BioWare shows us something that definitely says they did, that remains only an unconfirmed but plausible inductive inference.

Reminds me of how people think of Legion using the Reaper code as being 'reverse engineered'. It is assumed, but there is actually nothing to support that in game. In fact, both Javik and Shepard simply call it 'Reaper code', and Legion calls it 'upgrades'.

If anyone actually has something that supports the 'reverse engineering' idea, then I'd sure like to hear it, because I really couldn't find it on my most recent playthrough, and I did the mission twice.

[CoolioThane]

Dwailing wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

There's been sleep Dwailing!

She's trying to argue there couldn't have been a hallucination because "we haven't seen them before" when we have...

...now she's changed it to "we haven't seen them like this before"...It's like a never-ending cycle,

But it's true, we HAVEN'T seen hallucinations just like the one at the ending.  I don't think that means it's impossible, but she is right about that.

Noone is saying she's not. We're saying it's more than likely the Reapers improved upon the Leviathan's illusions when they "perfected" enthrallment. That makes total sense, and that's the debate. 

That does make sense.  However, do we have any direct evidence of it?  I'm not saying you're not making a valid point, but until BioWare shows us something that definitely says they did, that remains only an unconfirmed but plausible inductive inference.

Apart from the end sequence itself? 

There doesn't need to be direct evidence for something to be likely. That's why the word "likely" is used and not "definitely". There're similar occurences throughout the series and Harbinger is the Reaper made from Leviathans themselves and if there's one Reaper who is "MLG Pr0" at indoctrination it's him.

[acended phoenix]

Just wanted to post an idea that just hit me that i have not seen posted before.

If we assume that everything after the transport crash before the beam is an illusion created by harbinger, and also assume that Shepard's crew were not really evacuated( seeing as they were not there to begin with, it being an illusion and all) ; Shepard shoots 3 husks and 1 marauder. we know that indoctrination makes us believe that the reapers are good but what if in the case of Shepard they tried something different? what if your friends and loved ones are trying to stop you from entering the beam and in your current state you are seeing them as reaper forces? for instance the 3 husks could be the 2 squad mates you chose to bring with you plus your love interest. and the marauder could be Anderson. what do you guys think? am i crazy? or is this plausible?

[DoomsdayDevice]

acended phoenix wrote...

Just wanted to post an idea that just hit me that i have not seen posted before.

If we assume that everything after the transport crash before the beam is an illusion created by harbinger, and also assume that Shepard's crew were not really evacuated( seeing as they were not there to begin with, it being an illusion and all) ; Shepard shoots 3 husks and 1 marauder. we know that indoctrination makes us believe that the reapers are good but what if in the case of Shepard they tried something different? what if your friends and loved ones are trying to stop you from entering the beam and in your current state you are seeing them as reaper forces? for instance the 3 husks could be the 2 squad mates you chose to bring with you plus your love interest. and the marauder could be Anderson. what do you guys think? am i crazy? or is this plausible?

There's no way to tell. It would be extremely cruel on Bioware's part. 

[Dwailing]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

acended phoenix wrote...

Just wanted to post an idea that just hit me that i have not seen posted before.

If we assume that everything after the transport crash before the beam is an illusion created by harbinger, and also assume that Shepard's crew were not really evacuated( seeing as they were not there to begin with, it being an illusion and all) ; Shepard shoots 3 husks and 1 marauder. we know that indoctrination makes us believe that the reapers are good but what if in the case of Shepard they tried something different? what if your friends and loved ones are trying to stop you from entering the beam and in your current state you are seeing them as reaper forces? for instance the 3 husks could be the 2 squad mates you chose to bring with you plus your love interest. and the marauder could be Anderson. what do you guys think? am i crazy? or is this plausible?

There's no way to tell. It would be extremely cruel on Bioware's part. 

*Bane voice* It would be extremely painful... for you. *End Bane voice*

[draconian139]

Rifneno wrote...

If Shepard was on trial for being with Cerberus, Anderson would've said that. He doesn't. He says either the Bahak relay, or if you didn't do Arrival it was "all the **** you've done". They don't even bother trying to come up with a rationale for it. Arrival's canon, and if you didn't do it, you get the exact same story with a few handwaves to stop people crying about how "they never killed 300,000 people" because their moral compass is pointing to "retarded."

There's other N7s in the galaxy, if its a real mission one of them would likely be better suited than my Shepard as he's not particularly stealthy to begin with.  Turning down a mission from an outside source when you have autonomy doesn't necessarily make you retarded.  If Shepard takes on Arrival but then goes, "No!  I won't kill 300,000 people to slow the Reapers!" that's a whole other thing.

I'm sure that in the end it'll be the same as Anderson's line. If you did Arrival, it'll Object Rho that indoctrinated Shepard (or tried). If not, it'll be "all the Reaper tech you've been around."

This really is completely sufficient to me, he's been exposed to more than just about anyone else even without Arrival.

[Samtheman63]

just had a massive poo

[MegumiAzusa]

CoolioThane wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

There's been sleep Dwailing!

She's trying to argue there couldn't have been a hallucination because "we haven't seen them before" when we have...

...now she's changed it to "we haven't seen them like this before"...It's like a never-ending cycle,

But it's true, we HAVEN'T seen hallucinations just like the one at the ending.  I don't think that means it's impossible, but she is right about that.

Noone is saying she's not. We're saying it's more than likely the Reapers improved upon the Leviathan's illusions when they "perfected" enthrallment. That makes total sense, and that's the debate.

If true, why was it never once applied before?

[Humakt83]

Samtheman63 wrote...

just had a massive poo

Another glaring evidence for the RPT aka Reaper Poop Theory.

[Steelcan]

acended phoenix wrote...

Just wanted to post an idea that just hit me that i have not seen posted before.

If we assume that everything after the transport crash before the beam is an illusion created by harbinger, and also assume that Shepard's crew were not really evacuated( seeing as they were not there to begin with, it being an illusion and all) ; Shepard shoots 3 husks and 1 marauder. we know that indoctrination makes us believe that the reapers are good but what if in the case of Shepard they tried something different? what if your friends and loved ones are trying to stop you from entering the beam and in your current state you are seeing them as reaper forces? for instance the 3 husks could be the 2 squad mates you chose to bring with you plus your love interest. and the marauder could be Anderson. what do you guys think? am i crazy? or is this plausible?

I thought the indoctrination attempt started after Harbinger tries to laser you

Modifié par Steelcan, 04 janvier 2013 - 05:17 .

[Humakt83]

Steelcan wrote...
I thought the indoctrination attempt started after Harbinger tries to laser you

That's the classical stance. There are few places where it could have started. Some also think that the final third dream never ended.

Modifié par Humakt83, 04 janvier 2013 - 05:20 .

[nightcobra]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

That does make sense.  However, do we have any direct evidence of it?  I'm not saying you're not making a valid point, but until BioWare shows us something that definitely says they did, that remains only an unconfirmed but plausible inductive inference.

Reminds me of how people think of Legion using the Reaper code as being 'reverse engineered'. It is assumed, but there is actually nothing to support that in game. In fact, both Javik and Shepard simply call it 'Reaper code', and Legion calls it 'upgrades'.

If anyone actually has something that supports the 'reverse engineering' idea, then I'd sure like to hear it, because I really couldn't find it on my most recent playthrough, and I did the mission twice.

i remember shepard giving bits of "reaper code" to an asari so they could better predict reaper movements.

the thing is...would a customized program usings pieces of "reaper code" (which are most likely just lines of code, only really advanced stuff when compared to normal geth) be still similar to normal reaper code for it to be identified as reaper code? because the starkid's way of explaining destroy sounds like it's going after anything with what can be identified as based on reaper tech.

would that mean physical reaper tech like thannix cannons and maybe the upgraded geth's bodies? or reaper code based tech, like the geth which are basically software?

and finally i hate how contrived the geth destruction is! you can't tell me, the starkid...which is the leader of The Reapers, can't discriminate between his own race and other reaper based constructs. like he couldn't direct the explosion to affect only constructs with a full reaper code, but i guess i can't expect much of him since his way to start a massive gun is to shoot its trigger. 

[MegumiAzusa]

Dwailing wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

acended phoenix wrote...

Just wanted to post an idea that just hit me that i have not seen posted before.

If we assume that everything after the transport crash before the beam is an illusion created by harbinger, and also assume that Shepard's crew were not really evacuated( seeing as they were not there to begin with, it being an illusion and all) ; Shepard shoots 3 husks and 1 marauder. we know that indoctrination makes us believe that the reapers are good but what if in the case of Shepard they tried something different? what if your friends and loved ones are trying to stop you from entering the beam and in your current state you are seeing them as reaper forces? for instance the 3 husks could be the 2 squad mates you chose to bring with you plus your love interest. and the marauder could be Anderson. what do you guys think? am i crazy? or is this plausible?

There's no way to tell. It would be extremely cruel on Bioware's part. 

*Bane voice* It would be extremely painful... for you. *End Bane voice*

More likely to be the 2 squaddies, Coates, and Anderson. Still what about the random marines? What about the scenes afterwards?

[draconian139]

@Doomsday well one of the themes that I see in the game is Reapers using people's own thoughts and desires against them. I also see a theme of struggle and sacrifice. In my playthrough destroy fits the first far more than the second. Now obviously my playthrough is probably in the minority as several people made peace, several people like EDI, and several people think Shepard can live through it all.

It all comes down to whether Bioware intends to actually release IT content or leave it openended and open to interpretation. If they do intend to release IT DLC I'd say that you all are most likely right and destroy would be what's most likely to break indoctrination, this is more consistent with themes for the vast majority of playthroughs. Its not for mine but its literally impossible for them to implement it in the way that I think about it. Thing is that ever since EC I've been convinced that they intend to leave it open to interpretation therefore implementation concerns and the experience of most players is immaterial. The ramifications of destroy vs refuse are dependent on the individual Shepards and the context that they make this decision in.

[Humakt83]

acended phoenix wrote...

Just wanted to post an idea that just hit me that i have not seen posted before.

If we assume that everything after the transport crash before the beam is an illusion created by harbinger, and also assume that Shepard's crew were not really evacuated( seeing as they were not there to begin with, it being an illusion and all) ; Shepard shoots 3 husks and 1 marauder. we know that indoctrination makes us believe that the reapers are good but what if in the case of Shepard they tried something different? what if your friends and loved ones are trying to stop you from entering the beam and in your current state you are seeing them as reaper forces? for instance the 3 husks could be the 2 squad mates you chose to bring with you plus your love interest. and the marauder could be Anderson. what do you guys think? am i crazy? or is this plausible?

There is only Maraudel Shields at the end on lowest difficulties. Three husks are nowhere in sight.

[AresKeith]

@Megumi there no name's, so they don't matter lol

[demersel]

Steelcan wrote...

Do you people sleep?

Yes. We take shifts, and have a four -hour sleep brake. 

[Dwailing]

I'm curious, anyone here think this line counts as Synthesis foreshadowing? http://www.youtube.c...J9k346RUl8#t=6m

[ElSuperGecko]

demersel wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
Do you people sleep?

Yes. We take shifts, and have a four -hour sleep brake. 

Also, there is such a thing as time zones, you know.

That's right - the Indoctrination Theory is a GLOBAL PHENOMENOM.