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[Rosewind]

umadcommander wrote...

discussing synthesis never ends well does it

Agreed Bob.

[MegumiAzusa]

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

And anyway, synthesis does diminish genetic diversity. At least somewhat. Now everyone has a green glow, everyone is part-synthetic with the same tech. Or does the Space-magic completely vary for everything?

It's not space magic? Then what is it? If it's not space magic it is the same thing affecting everone, thus diminishing genetic diversity as everyone shares the same thing.

Everyone shares the same base atoms, even the same basics for the DNA in a species, does that make it bad? Nope. Just look at LEGO, even with the same parts you can create nearly unlimited possibilities.

We aren't LEGO, though.

Synthetic tech that physically changes every single living thing in the same way, and also affect the mindset of everything. Explain, if it doesn't do this, why everyone is at peace. Why do Reapers not keep attacking? Why are murderers not murdering. We're led to believe it is a utopia which cannot happen unless everyone is mentally altered.

Mental alterations etc are not the scope of the discussion at hand. It's about genetic diversity. You didn't bring up anything that says they are less genetic diverse. Also it seems clearly added, it doesn't override anything, therefor overall genetic diversity is the same.

Nope. If you add something that is exactly the same to every living thing. Genetic diversity has been lowered.

Pre-synthesis: Jimmy - 59/310 things the same as Johnny
Post-synthesis: Jimmy - 60/311 things the same as Johnny

Diversity lowered by 0.26%

Of course that's simplifying it but still

Uhm in both cases there are 251 differences. Aka the same.

Nope. You say there are 251 differences, but then there are also 59, but then 60 similarities. That's not the same, and maths shows you there is a 0.26% drop in diversity between Jimmy and Johnny. You can't pick and choose things to include, missy.

Relative diversity changes, absolute diversity stays the same.
Math is on my side my friend. As long as absolute diversity doesn't change there is nothing to worry about at all.

[AresKeith]

Rifneno wrote...

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Megumi is thread cancer.

Nice job in calling someone cancer

[Rifneno]

AresKeith wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Megumi is thread cancer.

Nice job in calling someone cancer

I was being polite.  I'd like to call her another word that begins with c, but you know...

[Fur28]

Rifneno wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Megumi is thread cancer.

Nice job in calling someone cancer

I was being polite.  I'd like to call her another word that begins with c, but you know...

it gets censored? ***

[McGrzegorz]

Rifneno wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Megumi is thread cancer.

Nice job in calling someone cancer

I was being polite.  I'd like to call her another word that begins with c, but you know...

Yes, we know that. <_<

[CoolioThane]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Relative diversity changes, absolute diversity stays the same.
Math is on my side my friend. As long as absolute diversity doesn't change there is nothing to worry about at all.

Not quite. Every living thing gets this synthetic "synthesis" tech, therefore every living thing in the Galaxy is more genetically similar to every other living thing and everything that ever will be. 

You can't now include the word "absolute" because it fits your argument. We were arguing genetic diversity, and "relative" genetic diversity is just that. 

What I've been arguing from the start is that everything becomes more similar...which it does. Maths was on my side, as I proved with my previous posts. 

[Xd2delo]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

And anyway, synthesis does diminish genetic diversity. At least somewhat. Now everyone has a green glow, everyone is part-synthetic with the same tech. Or does the Space-magic completely vary for everything?

It's not space magic? Then what is it? If it's not space magic it is the same thing affecting everone, thus diminishing genetic diversity as everyone shares the same thing.

Everyone shares the same base atoms, even the same basics for the DNA in a species, does that make it bad? Nope. Just look at LEGO, even with the same parts you can create nearly unlimited possibilities.

We aren't LEGO, though.

Synthetic tech that physically changes every single living thing in the same way, and also affect the mindset of everything. Explain, if it doesn't do this, why everyone is at peace. Why do Reapers not keep attacking? Why are murderers not murdering. We're led to believe it is a utopia which cannot happen unless everyone is mentally altered.

Mental alterations etc are not the scope of the discussion at hand. It's about genetic diversity. You didn't bring up anything that says they are less genetic diverse. Also it seems clearly added, it doesn't override anything, therefor overall genetic diversity is the same.

Hey folks! 

Synthesis has always been the "ending" that employed the greatest amount of handwavium.  What exactly is implied by the synthesis ending is deeply ambiguous; is every organic now infested with nanites?  Is every synthetic now cultivating some sort of living tissue within itself?  Husks regaining "a degree of their humanity"?  That's.. straining credulity. 

Or is there some sort of "hybrid tissue"?  An artificial kind of DNA that becomes the new basis of life? 

As far as mental/psychological changes; it seems implied that synthesis results in a mind that is expanded to include both organic and synthetic attributes, and this combination, it is implied results in a sort of harmoniousness to one's consciousness that makes conflict inconceivable.  At least, y'know, until Mass Effect 4, when I guess something extragalactic will get cause some sort of "Demolition Man" type of situation.

In summary, all we really know about synthesis is, it's going to be very GREEN.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Fur28 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

If I pop in here and add my two cents on how Synthesis occurs, I feel it is somewhat similar in function as the Omega Lock from the Transformer Universe. The Omega Lock had the capability, among others, to rearrange the structure of the atoms of anything and cyberform(make like Cybertron) it. If used on people, this would transform them into an organic-synthetic hybrid since then that organic will be made more like a Cybertronian who are "robotic organisms".

Do these people change their mind in some way after being transformed(tee hee wanna be them:lol:)

Well actually Optimus Prime states that the target will be destroyed in the process, since it literally tears them apart at the atomic level before it reconstructs them in their new cyberformed body. whether that new body retains the personality as the being it was before is unknown. That is why in one series, Transformers Prime, when Megatron was about to use the Omega Lock as a weapon against Earth, Optimus had to destroy it and thus dooming Cybertron to remain a lifeless shell forever. 

[Mello]

umadcommander wrote...

discussing synthesis never ends well does it

Nope. 

[Rifneno]

Actually, talking about synthesis usually works out fine. It's something that everyone bonds in their hatred over.

[Fur28]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

If I pop in here and add my two cents on how Synthesis occurs, I feel it is somewhat similar in function as the Omega Lock from the Transformer Universe. The Omega Lock had the capability, among others, to rearrange the structure of the atoms of anything and cyberform(make like Cybertron) it. If used on people, this would transform them into an organic-synthetic hybrid since then that organic will be made more like a Cybertronian who are "robotic organisms".

Do these people change their mind in some way after being transformed(tee hee wanna be them:lol:)

Well actually Optimus Prime states that the target will be destroyed in the process, since it literally tears them apart at the atomic level before it reconstructs them in their new cyberformed body. whether that new body retains the personality as the being it was before is unknown. That is why in one series, Transformers Prime, when Megatron was about to use the Omega Lock as a weapon against Earth, Optimus had to destroy it and thus dooming Cybertron to remain a lifeless shell forever. 

It´s that why i´m not a transformer:ph34r:(angriest face i could find)
Well not knowing is the personality stays the same, this could had helped know how synthesis change people.

Modifié par Fur28, 04 janvier 2013 - 08:46 .

[CoolioThane]

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

umadcommander wrote...

discussing synthesis never ends well does it

Nope. 

Especially with someone who will argue that grass isn't green or the sea isn't wet

[Norlond]

Synthesis is black green magic, every single time it is discussed, it ends like this:

300x239http://shariqghani.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/argue1.jpg[/img]

[Fur28]

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

umadcommander wrote...

discussing synthesis never ends well does it

Nope. 

+1 for Deadpool chibi strip dancing signature

[AresKeith]

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

umadcommander wrote...

discussing synthesis never ends well does it

Nope. 

What about cupcakes?

[MegumiAzusa]

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Relative diversity changes, absolute diversity stays the same.
Math is on my side my friend. As long as absolute diversity doesn't change there is nothing to worry about at all.

Not quite. Every living thing gets this synthetic "synthesis" tech, therefore every living thing in the Galaxy is more genetically similar to every other living thing and everything that ever will be. 

You can't now include the word "absolute" because it fits your argument. We were arguing genetic diversity, and "relative" genetic diversity is just that. 

What I've been arguing from the start is that everything becomes more similar...which it does. Maths was on my side, as I proved with my previous posts.

Math shows nothing that is different is removed, so diversity stays the same. There is no point in adding a constant to both sides of the equation, the result stays the same.

[CoolioThane]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Relative diversity changes, absolute diversity stays the same.
Math is on my side my friend. As long as absolute diversity doesn't change there is nothing to worry about at all.

Not quite. Every living thing gets this synthetic "synthesis" tech, therefore every living thing in the Galaxy is more genetically similar to every other living thing and everything that ever will be. 

You can't now include the word "absolute" because it fits your argument. We were arguing genetic diversity, and "relative" genetic diversity is just that. 

What I've been arguing from the start is that everything becomes more similar...which it does. Maths was on my side, as I proved with my previous posts.

Math shows nothing that is different is removed, so diversity stays the same. There is no point in adding a constant to both sides of the equation, the result stays the same.

No, everything becomes more similar.

What's removed is, for example "eye colour" Now everything is green, so that takes something away. Oh, that takes away something different...uh oh looks like you' wrong. Bye

Modifié par CoolioThane, 04 janvier 2013 - 08:50 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Fur28 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

If I pop in here and add my two cents on how Synthesis occurs, I feel it is somewhat similar in function as the Omega Lock from the Transformer Universe. The Omega Lock had the capability, among others, to rearrange the structure of the atoms of anything and cyberform(make like Cybertron) it. If used on people, this would transform them into an organic-synthetic hybrid since then that organic will be made more like a Cybertronian who are "robotic organisms".

Do these people change their mind in some way after being transformed(tee hee wanna be them:lol:)

Well actually Optimus Prime states that the target will be destroyed in the process, since it literally tears them apart at the atomic level before it reconstructs them in their new cyberformed body. whether that new body retains the personality as the being it was before is unknown. That is why in one series, Transformers Prime, when Megatron was about to use the Omega Lock as a weapon against Earth, Optimus had to destroy it and thus dooming Cybertron to remain a lifeless shell forever. 

It´s that why i´m not a transformer:ph34r:(angriest face i could find)
Well not knowing is the personality stays the same, this could had helped know how synthesis change people.

That's why I brought it up, because it matched Synthesis so well. They appear simply modified, but they may not even be the same person at all.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Norlond wrote...

Synthesis is black green magic, every single time it is discussed, it ends like this:

300x239http://shariqghani.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/argue1.jpg[/img]

Calvin and Hobbes! If only the discusions were that entertaining!

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 04 janvier 2013 - 08:51 .

[Rifneno]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

That's why I brought it up, because it matched Synthesis so well. They appear simply modified, but they may not even be the same person at all.

Exactly.  The mere fact that Javik is standing there calmly after synthesis shows me something's dreadfully wrong.

[MegumiAzusa]

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Relative diversity changes, absolute diversity stays the same.
Math is on my side my friend. As long as absolute diversity doesn't change there is nothing to worry about at all.

Not quite. Every living thing gets this synthetic "synthesis" tech, therefore every living thing in the Galaxy is more genetically similar to every other living thing and everything that ever will be. 

You can't now include the word "absolute" because it fits your argument. We were arguing genetic diversity, and "relative" genetic diversity is just that. 

What I've been arguing from the start is that everything becomes more similar...which it does. Maths was on my side, as I proved with my previous posts.

Math shows nothing that is different is removed, so diversity stays the same. There is no point in adding a constant to both sides of the equation, the result stays the same.

No, everything becomes more similar.

What's removed is, for example "eye colour" Now everything is green, so that takes something away. Oh, that takes away something different...uh oh looks like you' wrong. Bye

Too bad the eye color still remains.

[Fur28]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

That's why I brought it up, because it matched Synthesis so well. They appear simply modified, but they may not even be the same person at all.

Ok now, what did the Halo 4 thingy do?
I forgot, and my friend hasn´t come over to finish it in co-op

[OneWithTheAssassins]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Norlond wrote...

Synthesis is black green magic, every single time it is discussed, it ends like this:

300x239http://shariqghani.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/argue1.jpg[/img]

Calvin and Hobbes! If only the discusions were that entertaining!

+1 for childhood memories!<3

[Fur28]

Rifneno wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

That's why I brought it up, because it matched Synthesis so well. They appear simply modified, but they may not even be the same person at all.

Exactly.  The mere fact that Javik is standing there calmly after synthesis shows me something's dreadfully wrong.

I imagine he´s just waiting there, waiting for the right moment to attack with his knife:ph34r: