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[MegumiAzusa]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

mental disorders I agree with being genetic,

And those disorders affect someone's mental state. Trust me, I know.

I know they do, but they aren't the only thing that does affect someone's mental state

Oh I know, but Megumi was stating that it has nothing to with someone's mental state. We used your post because it was easier to respond to.

Yes I made a mistake. I should have written genetic diversity. If I had my post would have been true. Doesn't disprove the point though.

[MegumiAzusa]

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

You show ignorance. Genes affect the brain, obviously. If synthesis affects the mind, which it does, it must alter genes that affect the brain, or override them with tech. Affecting genetic diversity and variability.

Another blank "nope" from you there.

As I've said a few times now...neither are correct until we know the exact details...so by continuing the argument from now on it is trolling.

So every time you experience something your DNA gets rewritten? Strong. Which species do you hail from?

Every time you experience something is there a giant green wave altering your DNA? 

The Catalyst tells you it's a "New DNA" so what exactly are you arguing? 

I'm human, you?

You tell everyone not to take everything literally then using the DNA example (may I remind you Quarians and Turians don't have a DNA but DAA?) which is obviously a simplistic example in case you can't get what it means by "framework" literally?
And in the EC the extended explanation given is:
"The energy of the crucible released in this way will alter the matrix of all organic life in the galaxy."
There is nothing about DNA because it was just an example.

I'm that which you know as Reapers.

Not to take everything literally? Then you proceed to take what I said exactly literally? Arguing semantics again! The point is we are told the framework (matrix) will be changed. That is altering it. Why aren't genetics affected there then? 

Do you need wording 100% correct before answering something or do you then pick out individual words to start a new argument about until you're arguing about something totally unrelated?

Of course the genes are affected, genetic diversity doesn't seem to be.

[CoolioThane]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

mental disorders I agree with being genetic,

And those disorders affect someone's mental state. Trust me, I know.

I know they do, but they aren't the only thing that does affect someone's mental state

Oh I know, but Megumi was stating that it has nothing to with someone's mental state. We used your post because it was easier to respond to.

Yes I made a mistake. I should have written genetic diversity. If I had my post would have been true. Doesn't disprove the point though.

Yes it does. The mind, which is altered with synthesis, is affected by genetics. Therefore it is reasonable to say synthesis affects the genes connected to the mind. Perhaps altering diversity. You're not right just because you say you are.

[byne]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

You tell everyone not to take everything literally then using the DNA example (may I remind you Quarians and Turians don't have a DNA but DAA?)

Could you provide a link that says that? Because I've never once heard that.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

mental disorders I agree with being genetic,

And those disorders affect someone's mental state. Trust me, I know.

I know they do, but they aren't the only thing that does affect someone's mental state

Oh I know, but Megumi was stating that it has nothing to with someone's mental state. We used your post because it was easier to respond to.

Yes I made a mistake. I should have written genetic diversity. If I had my post would have been true. Doesn't disprove the point though.

At least you acknowledge your mistake.

[CoolioThane]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

You show ignorance. Genes affect the brain, obviously. If synthesis affects the mind, which it does, it must alter genes that affect the brain, or override them with tech. Affecting genetic diversity and variability.

Another blank "nope" from you there.

As I've said a few times now...neither are correct until we know the exact details...so by continuing the argument from now on it is trolling.

So every time you experience something your DNA gets rewritten? Strong. Which species do you hail from?

Every time you experience something is there a giant green wave altering your DNA? 

The Catalyst tells you it's a "New DNA" so what exactly are you arguing? 

I'm human, you?

You tell everyone not to take everything literally then using the DNA example (may I remind you Quarians and Turians don't have a DNA but DAA?) which is obviously a simplistic example in case you can't get what it means by "framework" literally?
And in the EC the extended explanation given is:
"The energy of the crucible released in this way will alter the matrix of all organic life in the galaxy."
There is nothing about DNA because it was just an example.

I'm that which you know as Reapers.

Not to take everything literally? Then you proceed to take what I said exactly literally? Arguing semantics again! The point is we are told the framework (matrix) will be changed. That is altering it. Why aren't genetics affected there then? 

Do you need wording 100% correct before answering something or do you then pick out individual words to start a new argument about until you're arguing about something totally unrelated?

Of course the genes are affected, genetic diversity doesn't seem to be.

HOW DO YOU KNOW? You don't. That's your opinion you're trying to force into us that it's 100% right. It's not. We don't know until we know the specifics (This is the 6th time you're going to ignore this fact) so stop speaking in definites.

[MegumiAzusa]

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

You tell everyone not to take everything literally then using the DNA example (may I remind you Quarians and Turians don't have a DNA but DAA?)

Could you provide a link that says that? Because I've never once heard that.

What exactly do you mean by "that"?

[Samtheman63]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

You tell everyone not to take everything literally then using the DNA example (may I remind you Quarians and Turians don't have a DNA but DAA?)

Could you provide a link that says that? Because I've never once heard that.

What exactly do you mean by "that"?

that quarians and turians have DAA not DNA id imagine..

[Hanako Ikezawa]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

You tell everyone not to take everything literally then using the DNA example (may I remind you Quarians and Turians don't have a DNA but DAA?)

Could you provide a link that says that? Because I've never once heard that.

What exactly do you mean by "that"?

Turians and Quarians not having DNA, but DAA.

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Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 04 janvier 2013 - 09:54 .

[cyrexwingblade]

be curious to know the actual chemical name on that abrievation. Not sure how you make dioxyribonucleic acid *not* have the N in it...

[byne]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

You tell everyone not to take everything literally then using the DNA example (may I remind you Quarians and Turians don't have a DNA but DAA?)

Could you provide a link that says that? Because I've never once heard that.

What exactly do you mean by "that"?

The idea that quarians and turians dont have DNA but instead have DAA.

[MegumiAzusa]

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Of course the genes are affected, genetic diversity doesn't seem to be.

HOW DO YOU KNOW? You don't. That's your opinion you're trying to force into us that it's 100% right. It's not. We don't know until we know the specifics (This is the 6th time you're going to ignore this fact) so stop speaking in definites.

What definites? Also if there were less diversity we wouldn't even recognize the characters we know. They wouldn't even be human anymore (if they were human before).

[Samtheman63]

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

You tell everyone not to take everything literally then using the DNA example (may I remind you Quarians and Turians don't have a DNA but DAA?)

Could you provide a link that says that? Because I've never once heard that.

What exactly do you mean by "that"?

The idea that quarians and turians dont have DNA but instead have DAA.

oh i get it, DAA = dextro animo acids, dna = dexeaxcefann bafiufn acids

ive heard that before

Modifié par Samtheman63, 04 janvier 2013 - 09:58 .

[Restrider]

Rifneno wrote...
<something>

I like your signature.

[MegumiAzusa]

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

You tell everyone not to take everything literally then using the DNA example (may I remind you Quarians and Turians don't have a DNA but DAA?)

Could you provide a link that says that? Because I've never once heard that.

What exactly do you mean by "that"?

The idea that quarians and turians dont have DNA but instead have DAA.

Uhm Deoxyribonucleic acid vs Dextro-amino acids.

[Eryri]

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

You show zero knowledge of biology and caps doesn't help, but hey, no asteriks this time, that's something.

You dont need any knowledge of biology to talk about synthesis. Magic can do whatever it wants, biology be damned.

Agreed. Discussing the scientific basis of synthesis is like trying to calculate the precise number of electron-volts released whenever Harry Potter says "Expeliarmus". Completely pointless as the concept is far too vague and ill-defined.

Literal synthesis is not an "abomination". That description would give it far more dignity than it deserves.

It's simply an embarrasment. It's nonsense on stilts. It does not belong in a work of science fiction. Or even in a reasonably coherent work of fantasy. It remains among my top 5 reasons for supporting IT, because if the writers genuinely thought that this train wreck of a concept was the reward for a perfect playthrough, then... pfft, words fail me!

[smokingotter1]

Fur28 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

That's why I brought it up, because it matched Synthesis so well. They appear simply modified, but they may not even be the same person at all.

Exactly.  The mere fact that Javik is standing there calmly after synthesis shows me something's dreadfully wrong.

I imagine he´s just waiting there, waiting for the right moment to attack with his knife:ph34r:

You'd think people would still have a grudge against the reapers even if they were partly synthetic. I don't think there would be much peace but a lot of score settling.

[CoolioThane]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Of course the genes are affected, genetic diversity doesn't seem to be.

HOW DO YOU KNOW? You don't. That's your opinion you're trying to force into us that it's 100% right. It's not. We don't know until we know the specifics (This is the 6th time you're going to ignore this fact) so stop speaking in definites.

What definites? Also if there were less diversity we wouldn't even recognize the characters we know. They wouldn't even be human anymore (if they were human before).

"It clearly proves genetic diversity is lowered." is speaking in definites.

That's not true, lowering genetic diversity by affecting genes not affecting appearance does not change the way they look. We know their minds have been affected...which means genes affecting the mind could have been the reason for this change, and could result in a lowering of genetic diversity.

You're arguing in circles from now.

[Rifneno]

Restrider wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
<something>

I like your signature.

Norlond made it.  It's as awesome as arguing with Megumi is pointless. 

[byne]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

You tell everyone not to take everything literally then using the DNA example (may I remind you Quarians and Turians don't have a DNA but DAA?)

Could you provide a link that says that? Because I've never once heard that.

What exactly do you mean by "that"?

The idea that quarians and turians dont have DNA but instead have DAA.

Uhm Deoxyribonucleic acid vs Dextro-amino acids.

While I may be rusty on my biology, I'm fairly sure thats not how DNA works.

Especially since we have levo-amino acids, so it'd be LAA by your reckoning, wouldnt it?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

You tell everyone not to take everything literally then using the DNA example (may I remind you Quarians and Turians don't have a DNA but DAA?)

Could you provide a link that says that? Because I've never once heard that.

What exactly do you mean by "that"?

The idea that quarians and turians dont have DNA but instead have DAA.

Uhm Deoxyribonucleic acid vs Dextro-amino acids.

Their's is Dextro-based DNA, while ours is Levo-based DNA. We all have DNA, it justs turns in different ways.
If not, we'd be LAA.

[umadcommander]

Eryri wrote...

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

You show zero knowledge of biology and caps doesn't help, but hey, no asteriks this time, that's something.

You dont need any knowledge of biology to talk about synthesis. Magic can do whatever it wants, biology be damned.

Agreed. Discussing the scientific basis of synthesis is like trying to calculate the precise number of electron-volts released whenever Harry Potter says "Expeliarmus". Completely pointless as the concept is far too vague and ill-defined.

Literal synthesis is not an "abomination". That description would give it far more dignity than it deserves.

It's simply an embarrasment. It's nonsense on stilts. It does not belong in a work of science fiction. Or even in a reasonably coherent work of fantasy. It remains among my top 5 reasons for supporting IT, because if the writers genuinely thought that this train wreck of a concept was the reward for a perfect playthrough, then... pfft, words fail me!

couldnt agree more, synthesis its nonsense so this back and forth about what it does is pointless

[Hanako Ikezawa]

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Of course the genes are affected, genetic diversity doesn't seem to be.

HOW DO YOU KNOW? You don't. That's your opinion you're trying to force into us that it's 100% right. It's not. We don't know until we know the specifics (This is the 6th time you're going to ignore this fact) so stop speaking in definites.

What definites? Also if there were less diversity we wouldn't even recognize the characters we know. They wouldn't even be human anymore (if they were human before).

"It clearly proves genetic diversity is lowered." is speaking in definites.

That's not true, lowering genetic diversity by affecting genes not affecting appearance does not change the way they look. We know their minds have been affected...which means genes affecting the mind could have been the reason for this change, and could result in a lowering of genetic diversity.

You're arguing in circles from now.

It's a circle. It goes on forever.
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[Skillz1986]

Hey, who would've thought..another nonsensical argument.
At some point you'll have to realize that megumi does not give a flying f**k about an honest debate.
She does however give more of a s**t about pissing people off. And while i disagree with her opinion, i have to admit that it's funny to see how much success she's having.

Megumi never was a 100% behind IT...But some long time ago, you could actually try and debate with her. She even brought up some very reasonable arguments. But that was a veeeeery long time ago.

edit:undeservingly on top

Modifié par Skillz1986, 04 janvier 2013 - 10:05 .

[Eryri]

On another topic, any idea why the "Boss Fights are too Video-gamey" thread has been honoured with a sticky?

Think Bioware might be crowd-sourcing ideas?