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[CmdrShep80]

@demersel - which planet were you on for these?

demersel wrote...

 Wanna see some upside down sprite yet animated birds? 

[CmdrShep80]

@demersel - same for these which planet?

demersel wrote...

or this thing?   

Or a very much like stargezer's planet? 

[CmdrShep80]

byne wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

I was wondering. Do we have any people here who believe the Reapers are actually destroyed in the destroy ending?

I know Davik Kang believes that. It's more Deception Theory, but I was wondering how much support (if any) it has.

Not me. I find the idea silly.

Top.

does that mean if you believe destroy destroys the reapers that you're indoctrinated?

[CmdrShep80]

Actually I just found out Zorya right?

Check this out:

Zorya
In Slavic mythology the Zorya (alternately, Zora, Zarya, Zory, Zore = "dawn"; Zvezda, Zwezda, Danica = "star") are the two guardian goddesses, known as the Auroras. They guard and watch over the doomsday hound, Simargl, who is chained to the star Polaris in the constellation Ursa Minor, the "little bear". If the chain ever breaks, the hound will devour the constellation and the universe will end. The Zorya represent the Morning Star and Evening Star.[1]

[CmdrShep80]

Borrowing byne's post

byne wrote...

I thought we'd all agreed it was Zorya?



(i forget who made this image )

[DoomsdayDevice]

byne wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

I was wondering. Do we have any people here who believe the Reapers are actually destroyed in the destroy ending?

I know Davik Kang believes that. It's more Deception Theory, but I was wondering how much support (if any) it has.

Not me. I find the idea silly.

Top.

I'm with you.

Javik: The Reapers are cunning in their deception. Allowing life to flourish, century upon century, letting us believe ourselves the masters of the cosmos. Then the truth becomes known. There are monsters in the dark spaces. And we are their prey."

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 05 janvier 2013 - 04:29 .

[CoolioThane]

Ashep123 wrote...

http://kotaku.com/59...rination-theory

So byne's thread's been linked on that kotaku page?

They call it crazy? ****ing ignorant people

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I never realised that Zorya is the Eden-planet in the Epilogue. Coo

[N7Avin180]

Hey guys, I've been in the forums for a while now just prowling and observing discussions but I decided that maybe getting involved would be more fun haha.

Anyway there is one thing I never really understood and am not crazy enough to wade through the multitude of pages to find the answer to.

What does Harbinger possibly hope to gain by indoctrinating Shepard?

[draconian139]

One possibility is minimizing Reaper casualties by using Shepard to subvert parts of the war effort.

[DoomsdayDevice]

N7Avin180 wrote...

Hey guys, I've been in the forums for a while now just prowling and observing discussions but I decided that maybe getting involved would be more fun haha.

Anyway there is one thing I never really understood and am not crazy enough to wade through the multitude of pages to find the answer to.

What does Harbinger possibly hope to gain by indoctrinating Shepard?

Hey there, welcome. =)

"Should a Reaper subvert a well-placed political or military leader, the resulting chaos can bring down nations." - Codex entry on indoctrination

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 05 janvier 2013 - 04:39 .

[byne]

N7Avin180 wrote...

Hey guys, I've been in the forums for a while now just prowling and observing discussions but I decided that maybe getting involved would be more fun haha.

Anyway there is one thing I never really understood and am not crazy enough to wade through the multitude of pages to find the answer to.

What does Harbinger possibly hope to gain by indoctrinating Shepard?

To quote the Bastila Shan: "What greater weapon is there than to turn an enemy to your cause? To use their own knowledge against them?"

To quote the codex: "Should a Reaper subvert a well-placed political or military leader, the resulting chaos can bring down nations."

Edit: Partially 'd

Modifié par byne, 05 janvier 2013 - 04:38 .

[CoolioThane]

N7Avin180 wrote...

Hey guys, I've been in the forums for a while now just prowling and observing discussions but I decided that maybe getting involved would be more fun haha.

Anyway there is one thing I never really understood and am not crazy enough to wade through the multitude of pages to find the answer to.

What does Harbinger possibly hope to gain by indoctrinating Shepard?

Good question. I've always thought it would be because Shepard is the special one of this cycle, the Neo. Having him/her under his control would make things so much easier for them. Not only that, but as we know, the Reapers are sadistic, and having Shepard could be a means of tormenting all of the Galaxy's species'. Breaking the spirits of all before wiping them out.

For fun you could say?

[Rosewind]

People do realise that there are million upon million planets in the galaxy?

[N7Avin180]

byne wrote...

N7Avin180 wrote...

Hey guys, I've been in the forums for a while now just prowling and observing discussions but I decided that maybe getting involved would be more fun haha.

Anyway there is one thing I never really understood and am not crazy enough to wade through the multitude of pages to find the answer to.

What does Harbinger possibly hope to gain by indoctrinating Shepard?

To quote the Bastila Shan: "What greater weapon is there than to turn an enemy to your cause? To use their own knowledge against them?"

To quote the codex: "Should a Reaper subvert a well-placed political or military leader, the resulting chaos can bring down nations."

Edit: Partially 'd

Ah but the thing is galaxy were already faltering against the Reapers, with little to no hope except the Crucible. Had Harbinger outright lambasted Shepard with the beam, the resulting morale of everyone opposing the Reapers will dip immensely  and the Reapers will just go about with their harvesting.

I understand attempting to indoctrinate Shep at say Arrival but near the end where simply killing him will already result in much chaos? I just do not see the point. I am an ITer but this is just the one thing which has always dogged me.

[DoomsdayDevice]

N7Avin180 wrote...

byne wrote...

N7Avin180 wrote...

Hey guys, I've been in the forums for a while now just prowling and observing discussions but I decided that maybe getting involved would be more fun haha.

Anyway there is one thing I never really understood and am not crazy enough to wade through the multitude of pages to find the answer to.

What does Harbinger possibly hope to gain by indoctrinating Shepard?

To quote the Bastila Shan: "What greater weapon is there than to turn an enemy to your cause? To use their own knowledge against them?"

To quote the codex: "Should a Reaper subvert a well-placed political or military leader, the resulting chaos can bring down nations."

Edit: Partially 'd

Ah but the thing is galaxy were already faltering against the Reapers, with little to no hope except the Crucible. Had Harbinger outright lambasted Shepard with the beam, the resulting morale of everyone opposing the Reapers will dip immensely  and the Reapers will just go about with their harvesting.

I understand attempting to indoctrinate Shep at say Arrival but near the end where simply killing him will already result in much chaos? I just do not see the point. I am an ITer but this is just the one thing which has always dogged me.

There are many more possibilities.

Harbinger has an obsession with Shepard. He wants Shepard for a reason.

Every harvest ends with the construction of a new Reaper. This cycle, humanity was chosen for ascension. I think Harbinger wants to make Shepard the 'mind' of the new human Reaper.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 05 janvier 2013 - 04:48 .

[byne]

N7Avin180 wrote...

byne wrote...

N7Avin180 wrote...

Hey guys, I've been in the forums for a while now just prowling and observing discussions but I decided that maybe getting involved would be more fun haha.

Anyway there is one thing I never really understood and am not crazy enough to wade through the multitude of pages to find the answer to.

What does Harbinger possibly hope to gain by indoctrinating Shepard?

To quote the Bastila Shan: "What greater weapon is there than to turn an enemy to your cause? To use their own knowledge against them?"

To quote the codex: "Should a Reaper subvert a well-placed political or military leader, the resulting chaos can bring down nations."

Edit: Partially 'd

Ah but the thing is galaxy were already faltering against the Reapers, with little to no hope except the Crucible. Had Harbinger outright lambasted Shepard with the beam, the resulting morale of everyone opposing the Reapers will dip immensely  and the Reapers will just go about with their harvesting.

I understand attempting to indoctrinate Shep at say Arrival but near the end where simply killing him will already result in much chaos? I just do not see the point. I am an ITer but this is just the one thing which has always dogged me.

Even after shutting down the relay network, it took hundreds of years to eradicate the protheans. Having someone like Shepard on their side, who knows all of this cycles secrets and locations of bases and stuff would be an immense asset.

Plus, seeing Shepard, the avatar of this cycle, fall to the Reapers' influence would be a huge blow to the galaxy's morale.

[CoolioThane]

Rosewind wrote...

People do realise that there are million upon million planets in the galaxy?

In excess of 50billion, of which 500 million are life-supportable apparently

[byne]

Rosewind wrote...

People do realise that there are million upon million planets in the galaxy?

No. There are only six. Dont be crazy.

[N7Avin180]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

N7Avin180 wrote...

byne wrote...

N7Avin180 wrote...

Hey guys, I've been in the forums for a while now just prowling and observing discussions but I decided that maybe getting involved would be more fun haha.

Anyway there is one thing I never really understood and am not crazy enough to wade through the multitude of pages to find the answer to.

What does Harbinger possibly hope to gain by indoctrinating Shepard?

To quote the Bastila Shan: "What greater weapon is there than to turn an enemy to your cause? To use their own knowledge against them?"

To quote the codex: "Should a Reaper subvert a well-placed political or military leader, the resulting chaos can bring down nations."

Edit: Partially 'd

Ah but the thing is galaxy were already faltering against the Reapers, with little to no hope except the Crucible. Had Harbinger outright lambasted Shepard with the beam, the resulting morale of everyone opposing the Reapers will dip immensely  and the Reapers will just go about with their harvesting.

I understand attempting to indoctrinate Shep at say Arrival but near the end where simply killing him will already result in much chaos? I just do not see the point. I am an ITer but this is just the one thing which has always dogged me.

There are many more possibilities.

Harbinger has an obsession with Shepard. He wants Shepard for a reason.

Every harvest ends with the construction of a new Reaper. This cycle, humanity was chosen for ascension. I think Harbinger wants to make Shepard the 'mind' of the new human Reaper.

Do Reapers have singular "minds" as such?

[Rosewind]

byne wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

People do realise that there are million upon million planets in the galaxy?

No. There are only six. Dont be crazy.

Okay okay my life is over all those books and docos i watch were wrong!

[byne]

Rosewind wrote...

byne wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

People do realise that there are million upon million planets in the galaxy?

No. There are only six. Dont be crazy.

Okay okay my life is over all those books and docos i watch were wrong!

Indeed.

Also, the moon doesnt exist. Its just the back of the sun.

[Genetic Destiny]

N7Avin180 wrote...

byne wrote...

N7Avin180 wrote...

Hey guys, I've been in the forums for a while now just prowling and observing discussions but I decided that maybe getting involved would be more fun haha.

Anyway there is one thing I never really understood and am not crazy enough to wade through the multitude of pages to find the answer to.

What does Harbinger possibly hope to gain by indoctrinating Shepard?

To quote the Bastila Shan: "What greater weapon is there than to turn an enemy to your cause? To use their own knowledge against them?"

To quote the codex: "Should a Reaper subvert a well-placed political or military leader, the resulting chaos can bring down nations."

Edit: Partially 'd

Ah but the thing is galaxy were already faltering against the Reapers, with little to no hope except the Crucible. Had Harbinger outright lambasted Shepard with the beam, the resulting morale of everyone opposing the Reapers will dip immensely  and the Reapers will just go about with their harvesting.

I understand attempting to indoctrinate Shep at say Arrival but near the end where simply killing him will already result in much chaos? I just do not see the point. I am an ITer but this is just the one thing which has always dogged me.

I doubt it would effectively crush the resistance's morale if Harbinger killed Shepard during the beam run. Most would likely be fueled with more rage and want to avenge the person who brought the galaxy together to fight the reapers. One example would be Thane and Kai Leng; when Thane was killed by him, many players despised Leng for doing that. Many in-game characters hate the reapers for exactly the same reason: they killed their loved ones. If you add Shepard, an icon, to that massive list of casualties you have guaranteed hatred from his/her closest friends and everyone who follows them.

Its much easier to have Shepard lead everyone to their deaths than to kill him/her.

[N7Avin180]

byne wrote...

N7Avin180 wrote...

byne wrote...

N7Avin180 wrote...

Hey guys, I've been in the forums for a while now just prowling and observing discussions but I decided that maybe getting involved would be more fun haha.

Anyway there is one thing I never really understood and am not crazy enough to wade through the multitude of pages to find the answer to.

What does Harbinger possibly hope to gain by indoctrinating Shepard?

To quote the Bastila Shan: "What greater weapon is there than to turn an enemy to your cause? To use their own knowledge against them?"

To quote the codex: "Should a Reaper subvert a well-placed political or military leader, the resulting chaos can bring down nations."

Edit: Partially 'd

Ah but the thing is galaxy were already faltering against the Reapers, with little to no hope except the Crucible. Had Harbinger outright lambasted Shepard with the beam, the resulting morale of everyone opposing the Reapers will dip immensely  and the Reapers will just go about with their harvesting.

I understand attempting to indoctrinate Shep at say Arrival but near the end where simply killing him will already result in much chaos? I just do not see the point. I am an ITer but this is just the one thing which has always dogged me.

Even after shutting down the relay network, it took hundreds of years to eradicate the protheans. Having someone like Shepard on their side, who knows all of this cycles secrets and locations of bases and stuff would be an immense asset.

Plus, seeing Shepard, the avatar of this cycle, fall to the Reapers' influence would be a huge blow to the galaxy's morale.

So using Shep may be a form of "shortcut" per say? Where using him would shorten the time needed to harvest?

Ah but the point in which you say Shepard is the on who knows all the cycles secrets and such? I may have to disagree as I have not experienced something in which Shepard knows and the Reapers do NOT know can benefit them greatly. I may be embarassingly wrong here though.

[DoomsdayDevice]

N7Avin180 wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

N7Avin180 wrote...

byne wrote...

N7Avin180 wrote...

Hey guys, I've been in the forums for a while now just prowling and observing discussions but I decided that maybe getting involved would be more fun haha.

Anyway there is one thing I never really understood and am not crazy enough to wade through the multitude of pages to find the answer to.

What does Harbinger possibly hope to gain by indoctrinating Shepard?

To quote the Bastila Shan: "What greater weapon is there than to turn an enemy to your cause? To use their own knowledge against them?"

To quote the codex: "Should a Reaper subvert a well-placed political or military leader, the resulting chaos can bring down nations."

Edit: Partially 'd

Ah but the thing is galaxy were already faltering against the Reapers, with little to no hope except the Crucible. Had Harbinger outright lambasted Shepard with the beam, the resulting morale of everyone opposing the Reapers will dip immensely  and the Reapers will just go about with their harvesting.

I understand attempting to indoctrinate Shep at say Arrival but near the end where simply killing him will already result in much chaos? I just do not see the point. I am an ITer but this is just the one thing which has always dogged me.

There are many more possibilities.

Harbinger has an obsession with Shepard. He wants Shepard for a reason.

Every harvest ends with the construction of a new Reaper. This cycle, humanity was chosen for ascension. I think Harbinger wants to make Shepard the 'mind' of the new human Reaper.

Do Reapers have singular "minds" as such?

Hard to say. But it seems like they see everyone and everything as resources. They seem to harvest species for their genetic abilities, and they deem Shepard special. Maybe Shepard would be the 'personality' of the new Reaper. Just throwing out an idea.

I wouldn't be surprised to see something like this happen in synthesis.

When you talk to Sovereign, he seems like one entity, even though he says "we". Same goes for Harbinger. So yeah, maybe many minds, with one 'ruling mind'.

I wouldn't be surprised if 'Nazara' was the name of the species Sovereign was harvested from.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 05 janvier 2013 - 05:00 .