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[N7Avin180]

Dwailing wrote...

OK, I just want to share a few things that I've thought of recently.  These may have been covered, but I feel I should bring them up anyway.  First thing: Brat says that Synthesis is "inevitable."  However, if you choose Destroy or Control, there is no evidence of it happening, even in the 300-500 years later slides.  It's possible it just hasn't happened yet, but it still seems odd to me.  Second thing: When he says that "(we're) ready" for Synthesis, how does the presence of, say, 50 Vorcha Sentinels, or even the condition of the Crucible, affect whether we're "ready" for Synthesis?  You could say it's something about how we're united against a common enemy, but that still seems weird, especially since EMS is not dependent on the variety of races in the war.  I should also note that I guess those 50 Vorcha Sentinels ARE part of a larger, more diverse and united team, but it still seems odd to me.  Last thing: In the quarian/geth slide in Synthesis, the quarians are shown without their masks on.  I'm thinking, is this one of the more recent slides?  Or is it one of the long term slides?  If the former, then Tali still wearing her mask at the Memorial Wall scene seems very odd to me, since she really SHOULDN'T need it anymore.  If the latter, I guess it's more explainable, but again, it seems odd to me.

Tali does state that the suits have become a part of their culture and it will take a long time for them to discard it alltogether. And I'm really not sure if I follow what you're saying but I feel the need to point out EMS is a gameplay mechanic and nothing more.

Modifié par N7Avin180, 05 janvier 2013 - 05:37 .

[Dwailing]

N7Avin180 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

OK, I just want to share a few things that I've thought of recently.  These may have been covered, but I feel I should bring them up anyway.  First thing: Brat says that Synthesis is "inevitable."  However, if you choose Destroy or Control, there is no evidence of it happening, even in the 300-500 years later slides.  It's possible it just hasn't happened yet, but it still seems odd to me.  Second thing: When he says that "(we're) ready" for Synthesis, how does the presence of, say, 50 Vorcha Sentinels, or even the condition of the Crucible, affect whether we're "ready" for Synthesis?  You could say it's something about how we're united against a common enemy, but that still seems weird, especially since EMS is not dependent on the variety of races in the war.  I should also note that I guess those 50 Vorcha Sentinels ARE part of a larger, more diverse and united team, but it still seems odd to me.  Last thing: In the quarian/geth slide in Synthesis, the quarians are shown without their masks on.  I'm thinking, is this one of the more recent slides?  Or is it one of the long term slides?  If the former, then Tali still wearing her mask at the Memorial Wall scene seems very odd to me, since she really SHOULDN'T need it anymore.  If the latter, I guess it's more explainable, but again, it seems odd to me.

Tali does state that the suits have become a part of their culture and it will take a long time for them to discard it alltogether. And I'm really sure if I follow what you're saying but I feel the need to point out EMS is a gameplay mechanic and nothing more.

I know that EMS is a gameplay mechanic, it just seemed weird to me.  And I'm not saying that the quarians got rid of the suits.  In the slides, they're shown with the suits on, just not the masks.  I find it odd that Tali is still wearing her's.  I know it might be nothing, but it seems like it would have been the perfect time for BioWare to actually show Tali's face in gameplay, and it would make that scene more consistent with the slides which were shown right before the Memorial Wall scene.

[byne]

Dwailing wrote...

If the former, then Tali still wearing her mask at the Memorial Wall scene seems very odd to me, since she really SHOULDN'T need it anymore.  If the latter, I guess it's more explainable, but again, it seems odd to me.

Tali said quarians with geth in their suits were adapting to living without masks quicker than quarians without them, and she said she wasnt going to upload one into her suit.

(If you're romancing her, she says the only one getting inside her suit is Shepard)

[byne]

Dwailing wrote...


I know that EMS is a gameplay mechanic, it just seemed weird to me.  And I'm not saying that the quarians got rid of the suits.  In the slides, they're shown with the suits on, just not the masks.  I find it odd that Tali is still wearing her's.  I know it might be nothing, but it seems like it would have been the perfect time for BioWare to actually show Tali's face in gameplay, and it would make that scene more consistent with the slides which were shown right before the Memorial Wall scene.

Didnt Bioware once say they didnt give her an actual maskless model because they didnt want people modding her to be maskless all the time?

[draconian139]

N7Avin180 wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

N7Avin180 wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

I still haven't played Leviathan but is there anything in it that would mandate this intelligence actually still existing? If not its entirely possible that it was destroyed long ago by Reapers rebelling against it.

Leviathan was interesting and definitely gives significant insight on Reaper lore, I'd recommend it. From what I've seen there is nothing there which suggests the intelligence does not exist.

In fact it ENFORCES the fact that the intelligence exists.

How does it enforce this?  All the quotes I've seen referencing this intelligence are all about things that happened eons ago.

Ah yes my bad. i should reword what I had said, it enforces that there was an intelligence in the beginning? That may be a better way to put it.

Oh and slightly off topic, why haven't you picked up Leviathan?

Yes, but I consider it not only possible but likely that the Reapers would have destroyed what created them.  One thing that Harbinger and Sovereign have in common is their sheer arrogance, its difficult for me to picture them as mere puppets.  In terms of Leviathan I only plan on buying the DLC for ME3 if we get postending content.  

[N7Avin180]

Dwailing wrote...

N7Avin180 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

OK, I just want to share a few things that I've thought of recently.  These may have been covered, but I feel I should bring them up anyway.  First thing: Brat says that Synthesis is "inevitable."  However, if you choose Destroy or Control, there is no evidence of it happening, even in the 300-500 years later slides.  It's possible it just hasn't happened yet, but it still seems odd to me.  Second thing: When he says that "(we're) ready" for Synthesis, how does the presence of, say, 50 Vorcha Sentinels, or even the condition of the Crucible, affect whether we're "ready" for Synthesis?  You could say it's something about how we're united against a common enemy, but that still seems weird, especially since EMS is not dependent on the variety of races in the war.  I should also note that I guess those 50 Vorcha Sentinels ARE part of a larger, more diverse and united team, but it still seems odd to me.  Last thing: In the quarian/geth slide in Synthesis, the quarians are shown without their masks on.  I'm thinking, is this one of the more recent slides?  Or is it one of the long term slides?  If the former, then Tali still wearing her mask at the Memorial Wall scene seems very odd to me, since she really SHOULDN'T need it anymore.  If the latter, I guess it's more explainable, but again, it seems odd to me.

Tali does state that the suits have become a part of their culture and it will take a long time for them to discard it alltogether. And I'm really sure if I follow what you're saying but I feel the need to point out EMS is a gameplay mechanic and nothing more.

I know that EMS is a gameplay mechanic, it just seemed weird to me.  And I'm not saying that the quarians got rid of the suits.  In the slides, they're shown with the suits on, just not the masks.  I find it odd that Tali is still wearing her's.  I know it might be nothing, but it seems like it would have been the perfect time for BioWare to actually show Tali's face in gameplay, and it would make that scene more consistent with the slides which were shown right before the Memorial Wall scene.

It could be that the Memorial scene happened fast after the ending and only later on did they decide to take of the masks. Anyway this happens only in Synthesis am I right?

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

If the former, then Tali still wearing her mask at the Memorial Wall scene seems very odd to me, since she really SHOULDN'T need it anymore.  If the latter, I guess it's more explainable, but again, it seems odd to me.

Tali said quarians with geth in their suits were adapting to living without masks quicker than quarians without them, and she said she wasnt going to upload one into her suit.

(If you're romancing her, she says the only one getting inside her suit is Shepard)

I'm talking about in Synthesis.  You know, cures the Genophage, makes everyone partly synthetic and partly organic, might allow us to transcend mortality itself , reality warping Synthesis.  I wouldn't say assuming it fixes the weakened quarian immune systems would be a stretch.  And Tali says that she's sick of wearing the helmet in her dialogue with Shepard in... what was it? ME2, I think?  If she suddenly gained the ability to go without it, I don't think she'd pass it up.

Modifié par Dwailing, 05 janvier 2013 - 05:45 .

[Dwailing]

N7Avin180 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

N7Avin180 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

OK, I just want to share a few things that I've thought of recently.  These may have been covered, but I feel I should bring them up anyway.  First thing: Brat says that Synthesis is "inevitable."  However, if you choose Destroy or Control, there is no evidence of it happening, even in the 300-500 years later slides.  It's possible it just hasn't happened yet, but it still seems odd to me.  Second thing: When he says that "(we're) ready" for Synthesis, how does the presence of, say, 50 Vorcha Sentinels, or even the condition of the Crucible, affect whether we're "ready" for Synthesis?  You could say it's something about how we're united against a common enemy, but that still seems weird, especially since EMS is not dependent on the variety of races in the war.  I should also note that I guess those 50 Vorcha Sentinels ARE part of a larger, more diverse and united team, but it still seems odd to me.  Last thing: In the quarian/geth slide in Synthesis, the quarians are shown without their masks on.  I'm thinking, is this one of the more recent slides?  Or is it one of the long term slides?  If the former, then Tali still wearing her mask at the Memorial Wall scene seems very odd to me, since she really SHOULDN'T need it anymore.  If the latter, I guess it's more explainable, but again, it seems odd to me.

Tali does state that the suits have become a part of their culture and it will take a long time for them to discard it alltogether. And I'm really sure if I follow what you're saying but I feel the need to point out EMS is a gameplay mechanic and nothing more.

I know that EMS is a gameplay mechanic, it just seemed weird to me.  And I'm not saying that the quarians got rid of the suits.  In the slides, they're shown with the suits on, just not the masks.  I find it odd that Tali is still wearing her's.  I know it might be nothing, but it seems like it would have been the perfect time for BioWare to actually show Tali's face in gameplay, and it would make that scene more consistent with the slides which were shown right before the Memorial Wall scene.

It could be that the Memorial scene happened fast after the ending and only later on did they decide to take of the masks. Anyway this happens only in Synthesis am I right?

Yes, it only happens in Synthesis, and yes, what you're saying is a possibility.  However, it just strikes me as rather odd, that's all.

[N7Avin180]

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...


I know that EMS is a gameplay mechanic, it just seemed weird to me.  And I'm not saying that the quarians got rid of the suits.  In the slides, they're shown with the suits on, just not the masks.  I find it odd that Tali is still wearing her's.  I know it might be nothing, but it seems like it would have been the perfect time for BioWare to actually show Tali's face in gameplay, and it would make that scene more consistent with the slides which were shown right before the Memorial Wall scene.

Didnt Bioware once say they didnt give her an actual maskless model because they didnt want people modding her to be maskless all the time?

I must say. That is an absolutely ridiculous reason.

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...


I know that EMS is a gameplay mechanic, it just seemed weird to me.  And I'm not saying that the quarians got rid of the suits.  In the slides, they're shown with the suits on, just not the masks.  I find it odd that Tali is still wearing her's.  I know it might be nothing, but it seems like it would have been the perfect time for BioWare to actually show Tali's face in gameplay, and it would make that scene more consistent with the slides which were shown right before the Memorial Wall scene.

Didnt Bioware once say they didnt give her an actual maskless model because they didnt want people modding her to be maskless all the time?

Was that pre- or post-EC?

[N7Avin180]

draconian139 wrote...

N7Avin180 wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

N7Avin180 wrote...

draconian139 wrote...

I still haven't played Leviathan but is there anything in it that would mandate this intelligence actually still existing? If not its entirely possible that it was destroyed long ago by Reapers rebelling against it.

Leviathan was interesting and definitely gives significant insight on Reaper lore, I'd recommend it. From what I've seen there is nothing there which suggests the intelligence does not exist.

In fact it ENFORCES the fact that the intelligence exists.

How does it enforce this?  All the quotes I've seen referencing this intelligence are all about things that happened eons ago.

Ah yes my bad. i should reword what I had said, it enforces that there was an intelligence in the beginning? That may be a better way to put it.

Oh and slightly off topic, why haven't you picked up Leviathan?

Yes, but I consider it not only possible but likely that the Reapers would have destroyed what created them.  One thing that Harbinger and Sovereign have in common is their sheer arrogance, its difficult for me to picture them as mere puppets.  In terms of Leviathan I only plan on buying the DLC for ME3 if we get postending content.  

I wouldn't be surprised if that were to happen. Knowing Sovereign and Harbinger to be mere puppets just doesn't seem errr right.

Ah, well. Lets keep the hope alive.

[byne]

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...


I know that EMS is a gameplay mechanic, it just seemed weird to me.  And I'm not saying that the quarians got rid of the suits.  In the slides, they're shown with the suits on, just not the masks.  I find it odd that Tali is still wearing her's.  I know it might be nothing, but it seems like it would have been the perfect time for BioWare to actually show Tali's face in gameplay, and it would make that scene more consistent with the slides which were shown right before the Memorial Wall scene.

Didnt Bioware once say they didnt give her an actual maskless model because they didnt want people modding her to be maskless all the time?

Was that pre- or post-EC?

Probably pre.

[Genetic Destiny]

What I learned from the Leviathan DLC:

-You can be indoctrinated from the slightest contact with Reaper/Leviathan tech. Anne Bryson dismisses the possibility because she hasn't been around it long enough, but then...

-Leviathans are responsible for every Reaper-related event.

-Harbinger's a lot more important than it seems. When you combine the revelation that its the oldest (and largest) Reaper from the DLC with everything there is to know about it in ME2, along with "Harbinger speaks of you", and the fact that it's the one that 'stops' you from reaching the beam, it seems that Harbinger was very important to begin with.

-Leviathans can manipulate Shepard's memories and f*** with his/her mind, as well as control him/her if they wanted to. Given everything we know about the Reapers - Harbinger in particular - and how the Leviathan conversation parallels the Catalyst's, its only logical to assume that the Reapers...

Modifié par Genetic Destiny, 05 janvier 2013 - 05:52 .

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...


I know that EMS is a gameplay mechanic, it just seemed weird to me.  And I'm not saying that the quarians got rid of the suits.  In the slides, they're shown with the suits on, just not the masks.  I find it odd that Tali is still wearing her's.  I know it might be nothing, but it seems like it would have been the perfect time for BioWare to actually show Tali's face in gameplay, and it would make that scene more consistent with the slides which were shown right before the Memorial Wall scene.

Didnt Bioware once say they didnt give her an actual maskless model because they didnt want people modding her to be maskless all the time?

Was that pre- or post-EC?

Probably pre.

Then considering the backlash they got from making a picture of her rather than a model, the EC would have been the perfect time to give her an actual unmasked model, at least in Synthesis, where it's shown that the quarians no long wear masks at least at SOME point.

Modifié par Dwailing, 05 janvier 2013 - 05:51 .

[N7Avin180]

Anyway I guys I off to start a brand new Mass Effect playthrough so I won't be replying as frequently but I do want to say thanks for replying to my queries in a logical manner and not littering it with unneeded vulgarities.

I shall try to be a regular from now on haha.

Oh and I'll post anything I find odd on my brand new playthrough.

[CmdrShep80]

Eryri wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

This is the only thread (and forum to be hinest) i have visited in yewrs, so you might need to help me out a bit here.

What's a sticky?

It means it stays on page one at the top of the thread list, even if no one posts on it. It's usually reserved for officially approved topics, or Bioware announcements.

I noticed this one had been there since about 2 this afternoon and it's nearly 11pm now.

so by BioWare doing that to the IT thread are they indirectly and subtly endorsing that IT may be right/true?

[PsiMatrix]

Dwailing wrote...

Yes, it only happens in Synthesis, and yes, what you're saying is a possibility.  However, it just strikes me as rather odd, that's all.

It's possibly just how they simply setup the scene. For example EDI 'dies' in low-EMS Control; her name gets put on the wall if her body perishes by Harbinger's beam during the beam run.

[draconian139]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

This is the only thread (and forum to be hinest) i have visited in yewrs, so you might need to help me out a bit here.

What's a sticky?

It means it stays on page one at the top of the thread list, even if no one posts on it. It's usually reserved for officially approved topics, or Bioware announcements.

I noticed this one had been there since about 2 this afternoon and it's nearly 11pm now.

so by BioWare doing that to the IT thread are they indirectly and subtly endorsing that IT may be right/true?

IT thread is not stickied.

Edit: the fact that the boss thread is STILL stickied is pretty weird though.  May very well mean something although I'm not sure what it is supposed to mean.  Maybe that there will be one in an upcoming DLC, maybe that there already is one of sorts in the end, or maybe that "Yes.  It really is too video gamey."  Speculations...

Modifié par draconian139, 05 janvier 2013 - 06:08 .

[401 Kill]

Genetic Destiny wrote...
What I learned from the Leviathan DLC:

-You can be indoctrinated from the slightest contact with Reaper/Leviathan tech. Anne Bryson dismisses the possibility because she hasn't been around it long enough, but then...

-Leviathans are responsible for every Reaper-related event.

-Harbinger's a lot more important than it seems. When you combine the revelation that its the oldest (and largest) Reaper from the DLC with everything there is to know about it in ME2, along with "Harbinger speaks of you", and the fact that it's the one that 'stops' you from reaching the beam, it seems that Harbinger was very important to begin with.

-Leviathans can manipulate Shepard's memories and f*** with his/her mind, as well as control him/her if they wanted to. Given everything we know about the Reapers - Harbinger in particular - and how the Leviathan conversation parallels the Catalyst's, its only logical to assume that the Reapers...

If the Reapers wanted Shepard to be huskified, they could easily do it. But instead they want Shepard's mind intact, they want him to be a sort of sleeper agent, so a slow, patient indoctrination would be required. 

The Leviathans stated that the Reapers perfected their enthrallment. It was perfected into indoctrination, yet Shepard was helpless and could not stop the Leviathans from seizing control of his mind and trapping him in it. If this happens with the Leviathans, the Reapers can pretty much do what they want with Shepard's mind.

And Harbinger definitely is focusing on Shepard (NE2 taunts).

[CmdrShep80]

draconian139 wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...
This is the only thread (and forum to be hinest) i have visited in yewrs, so you might need to help me out a bit here.

What's a sticky?

It means it stays on page one at the top of the thread list, even if no one posts on it. It's usually reserved for officially approved topics, or Bioware announcements.

I noticed this one had been there since about 2 this afternoon and it's nearly 11pm now.

so by BioWare doing that to the IT thread are they indirectly and subtly endorsing that IT may be right/true?

IT thread is not stickied.

ya but if you look at page 1 of the forums under where you find IT, it and the very top post are the only two with the word BioWare underneath the title 

[draconian139]

CmdrShep80 wrote...
ya but if you look at page 1 of the forums under where you find IT, it and the very top post are the only two with the word BioWare underneath the title 

All this means is that someone from Bioware posted in them.  That's not the same as a sticky.  If we had a sticky we'd never drop down lower in the thread list.

[Dwailing]

Well, I'm going to get off for the night. I'll see you all later.   BTW, I will try not to get on tomorrow because I have a paper due on Monday and if I'm going to shirk my responsibilities I should be doing it by playing games, not by chatting on the IT thread.   Note, that's not to imply that I WILL be shirking my responsibilities, but if I do procrastinate at all, I'll try to at least do something semi-productive like saving a fictional universe. 

Edit: Oh Keelah, top with this.  It's not the worst thing that's ever been on top, but it's really not the best.  Not by a long shot. 

Modifié par Dwailing, 05 janvier 2013 - 06:13 .

[CmdrShep80]

draconian139 wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

This is the only thread (and forum to be hinest) i have visited in yewrs, so you might need to help me out a bit here.

What's a sticky?

It means it stays on page one at the top of the thread list, even if no one posts on it. It's usually reserved for officially approved topics, or Bioware announcements.

I noticed this one had been there since about 2 this afternoon and it's nearly 11pm now.

so by BioWare doing that to the IT thread are they indirectly and subtly endorsing that IT may be right/true?

IT thread is not stickied.

Edit: the fact that the boss thread is STILL stickied is pretty weird though.  May very well mean something although I'm not sure what it is supposed to mean.  Maybe that there will be one in an upcoming DLC, maybe that there already is one of sorts in the end, or maybe that "Yes.  It really is too video gamey."  Speculations...

Weird. This might be a double post by the time I post. But ya if you look at page 1 where you find the IT thread, you'll see the very top thread on the rules and IT thread are the only two with the word BioWare underneath the title. We already post so much that it doesn't need to be stickied.  We'd almost always would be on page one near the top