Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!
#79251
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Posté 05 janvier 2013 - 06:12
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Firefox comes with some kind of thing where you can fire it up, and click on a favorite page and it'll take you right to this thread.
#79252
Posté 05 janvier 2013 - 06:14
#79253
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Posté 05 janvier 2013 - 06:16
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Modifié par magnetite, 05 janvier 2013 - 06:17 .
#79254
Posté 05 janvier 2013 - 06:17
#79255
Posté 05 janvier 2013 - 06:17
draconian139 wrote...
All this means is that someone from Bioware posted in them. That's not the same as a sticky. If we had a sticky we'd never drop down lower in the thread list.CmdrShep80 wrote...
ya but if you look at page 1 of the forums under where you find IT, it and the very top post are the only two with the word BioWare underneath the title
if that were true then I should have one of those BioWare symbols on a super old thread I did when I first started posting and got locked by Ninja Stan before I understood who he was or why people were thinking I was trolling (which I wasn't. I was just raving mad that I discovered IT lol)
http://social.biowar.../forum/1/search
do a search for the cake is a lie. Ninja Stan posted in mine yet I don't have the BioWare symbol. I did another one and same thing
#79256
Posté 05 janvier 2013 - 06:21
401 Kill wrote...
If the Reapers wanted Shepard to be huskified, they could easily do it. But instead they want Shepard's mind intact, they want him to be a sort of sleeper agent, so a slow, patient indoctrination would be required.Genetic Destiny wrote...
What I learned from the Leviathan DLC:
-You can be indoctrinated from the slightest contact with Reaper/Leviathan tech. Anne Bryson dismisses the possibility because she hasn't been around it long enough, but then...
-Leviathans are responsible for every Reaper-related event.
-Harbinger's a lot more important than it seems. When you combine the revelation that its the oldest (and largest) Reaper from the DLC with everything there is to know about it in ME2, along with "Harbinger speaks of you", and the fact that it's the one that 'stops' you from reaching the beam, it seems that Harbinger was very important to begin with.
-Leviathans can manipulate Shepard's memories and f*** with his/her mind, as well as control him/her if they wanted to. Given everything we know about the Reapers - Harbinger in particular - and how the Leviathan conversation parallels the Catalyst's, its only logical to assume that the Reapers...
The Leviathans stated that the Reapers perfected their enthrallment. It was perfected into indoctrination, yet Shepard was helpless and could not stop the Leviathans from seizing control of his mind and trapping him in it. If this happens with the Leviathans, the Reapers can pretty much do what they want with Shepard's mind.
And Harbinger definitely is focusing on Shepard (NE2 taunts).
Yea, things are adding up in such a way that its getting...really hard to ignore.
I downloaded Javik for the first time a few months back, and after doing the Geth Consensus mission I remember him saying something along the lines of "I'm shocked you interfaced with a machine. What if it infected your mind?" And just before that, I had talked to Joker and heard his "What if everything you're experiencing now is a simulation?" yet again.
I am of course used to hearing that from Joker, but now that more than one character is introducing the idea of a false reality/mind screw, I'm starting to be more alert.
#79257
Posté 05 janvier 2013 - 06:24
draconian139 wrote...
I'd say that any thread with this number of pages would have warranted a post or two from someone at Bioware. If for no other reason than moderator duties.
it has. We've had several posts banning people for 24 hours and the all important Chris Priestly posts here and there
#79258
Posté 05 janvier 2013 - 06:27
#79259
Posté 05 janvier 2013 - 06:27
CmdrShep80 wrote...
draconian139 wrote...
I'd say that any thread with this number of pages would have warranted a post or two from someone at Bioware. If for no other reason than moderator duties.
it has. We've had several posts banning people for 24 hours and the all important Chris Priestly posts here and there
Yea, that's what I was getting at. I searched for the thread you were talking about and see what you meant but that's just a forum moderator. It only happens if the individual has the Bioware logo instead of the moderator one.
Modifié par draconian139, 05 janvier 2013 - 06:30 .
#79260
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Posté 05 janvier 2013 - 06:28
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CoolioThane wrote...
Yay, documentation of me getting angry at certain people lol
We can edit it for things like people arguing and such. IT discussion only. Books go through many edits before getting published.
#79261
Posté 05 janvier 2013 - 06:46
draconian139 wrote...
CmdrShep80 wrote...
draconian139 wrote...
I'd say that any thread with this number of pages would have warranted a post or two from someone at Bioware. If for no other reason than moderator duties.
it has. We've had several posts banning people for 24 hours and the all important Chris Priestly posts here and there
Yea, that's what I was getting at. I searched for the thread you were talking about and see what you meant but that's just a forum moderator. It only happens if the individual has the Bioware logo instead of the moderator one.
So I decided to look. I went through the first 50 pages of 1960 pages under the ME3 Spoiler forum. These are the ONLY posts that have "BIOWARE" listed underneath the title in the first 50 pages:
Private Messages to Moderators re: violations of site rules The top post
IT Thread
For the little blue children
Probably the only one here but what I liked about the endings
ME 3 Project X
Any connecting common themes? 1 - we need to PM mods cause of trolls getting in the way of quality discussion. 2 - IT is right. 3 - if IT is right, then it's possible to have little blue children. 4 - if IT is right then the endings the way they are have to be right and we like the endings because it's Shepard's indoctrination from the inside out 5- Project X - that big speculative thing that's apparently not ME4 but they've been very vague on what it is
#79263
Posté 05 janvier 2013 - 07:08
CmdrShep80 wrote...
draconian139 wrote...
CmdrShep80 wrote...
draconian139 wrote...
I'd say that any thread with this number of pages would have warranted a post or two from someone at Bioware. If for no other reason than moderator duties.
it has. We've had several posts banning people for 24 hours and the all important Chris Priestly posts here and there
Yea, that's what I was getting at. I searched for the thread you were talking about and see what you meant but that's just a forum moderator. It only happens if the individual has the Bioware logo instead of the moderator one.
So I decided to look. I went through the first 50 pages of 1960 pages under the ME3 Spoiler forum. These are the ONLY posts that have "BIOWARE" listed underneath the title in the first 50 pages:
Private Messages to Moderators re: violations of site rules The top post
IT Thread
For the little blue children
Probably the only one here but what I liked about the endings
ME 3 Project X
Any connecting common themes? 1 - we need to PM mods cause of trolls getting in the way of quality discussion. 2 - IT is right. 3 - if IT is right, then it's possible to have little blue children. 4 - if IT is right then the endings the way they are have to be right and we like the endings because it's Shepard's indoctrination from the inside out 5- Project X - that big speculative thing that's apparently not ME4 but they've been very vague on what it is
Going from 51 - 100
-Mission Aria: Eclipse Bug? - was about "Anyone else have an issue with not choosing to free the captive for Aria? I chose not to release her, and it looks like there might be another method but the mission summary never changes" Only someone named Sylpf responded in the first page of the thread but no other mods but Sylpf. Someone there also gave an awesome fix to help the game move forward and complete the mission
-Bioware: "Absolutely no more Shepard. We don´t want Shepard 2.0" New Hero for ME 4"
-ME4 Bioware really care about fans' opinions?
-ME3 Omega Twitter ARG - this one proves one point. There were NO MODs in all of two pages of that thread. Also no one decrypted the tweet. Here it is in all it's glory for us to use:
GrumpyGit wrote...
Ok... looks like we got a new ARG on our hands.
It's legit: http://blog.bioware....ight-for-omega/
https://twitter.com/Omega_Cerberus
https://twitter.com/FightForOmega
So ya, after 100 pages of spoiler posts, only the thread titles I listed in my previous post and the four I just listed are the ONLY threads that have "BIOWARE" in their titles. I'm telling you they are secretly and subtly endorsing certain threads.
By the way using the Rot 13 decrypter the message was: Civilian dissenters tracked to Fumi District. Deploy troopers and new mech units to eliminate. Hunt ringleaders for processing.
No one in that thread speculated on this or even bothered to get that far yet it was tagged with the official BioWare tag.
#79264
Posté 05 janvier 2013 - 07:10
magnetite wrote...
Just got done reading this. Wow, mind=blown. Pretty intense stuff there.
You're welcome! hehe. I think I need to do a thread for what I think the crucible does. Some people have read it but we go so fast that it can get missed. I really spent time poring over actual scientific things that could explain what the crucible does (at least pre all dlc but From Ashes) via the war assets it has. So far I think I have a mostly reasonable workable way to have the crucible work with the citadel in a conventional way that makes sense and isn't full of just space magic
#79265
Posté 05 janvier 2013 - 07:32
Edit:Cerberus encryption is pathetic.
Modifié par draconian139, 05 janvier 2013 - 07:34 .
#79266
Posté 05 janvier 2013 - 07:43
2 - @ Darth Revan I have something for you, patterns look familiar? Like the Vendetta patterns I posted for you earlier?:

3 - If we're on Earth, and Joker is attempting to escape Earth. He goes through the Charon Mass Relay. Where does he go. Zorya is in the Ismar Frontier.
To travel Earth to Zorya we have to: Charon Relay --> Exodus Cluster --> Serpent Nebula (Citadel space) ---> Ismar Frontier (where Zorya is)
However, if we take the low/mid EMS ending where the Normandy is falling apart and we can only take the Charon Relay:
Charon Relay --> Exodus Cluster....well that's it...there's no way out if the Normandy's damaged it probably can't survive another jump.
However there's a weird ideosyncracy. Looking up Exodus Cluster:
This cluster was one of the first extrasolar clusters reached by humans, and it was one of the first to be colonized by the Systems Alliance. The Mass Relay to Earth's cluster, however, actually goes to Arcturus Station rather than to the Charon Relay directly
So which Cluster did we go to in the ending sequence if we couldn't actually reach Zorya? The map above clearly says Earth connects to Exodus. Yet the relay from Earth goes to the Arcturus Stream (which is true, see the intro to ME1 where they go from Earth to Arcturus Station to Eden Prime)
Here's the other idiosyncracy. The map in the ending isn't right. The beam originates out of a different place than the local cluster based on the above map.
Destroy ending Beam locations Notice that it looks like it starts out of the Apien Crest, then goes to the Athena Cluster, then to the Krogan DMZ and so on. It just looks wrong the way the beams are leaving Earth and the actual location of where Earth should be.
#79267
Posté 05 janvier 2013 - 07:59
If we actually went through the Arcturus Stream relay, the only planet that could conceivably house us would be Benning.
It looks like this in space
but like this on the ground (firebse ghost map)
If we went through the Charon relay to the Exodus Cluster the only place we could conceivably go to would be
We have Terra Nova from Bring Down the Sky
or Eden Prime
None of the other worlds in either cluster fits the no spacesuit policy in the ending. Only these worlds support life but none look like the sequence at the end with the exception of Zorya. So how did the Normandy get from Earth to Zorya and survive?....unless Shepard is dreaming...which can come in mixed imagry
#79268
Posté 05 janvier 2013 - 08:10
N7Avin180 wrote...
Leviathan was interesting and definitely gives significant insight on Reaper lore, I'd recommend it. From what I've seen there is nothing there which suggests the intelligence does not exist.
In fact it ENFORCES the fact that the intelligence exists.
Indeed it does, but it does not actually in any way imply that the Intelligence is starchild, that's just the player, and Shepard doing that. If the end is built from memories, starchild makes even more sense with Leviathan, as Shepard would have a reason to believe there's an intelligence leading the Reapers.
The wording is also very vague on what and where this "Intelligence" is. While we had this idea long before Leviathan, it does help it too: Starchild is Harbinger. You do have a boss battle with Harbinger after all.
demersel wrote...
umadcommander wrote...
demersel wrote...
Ok, the next quastion.
Let's make a thought experiment.
Let's say Shepard pickes control, Becomes the mind of the reaper made out of all the humans and the current cycle get's wiped out.
Is Shepard the Reaper in Control is the same person as Shepard?
no, the player will never control reapershep, and shepard is the player
Indeed. But what matters more will Reaper Shepard still have all of the Shepard's memories? Will he care about them? Will he have any of the Shepard's morals and qualities?
While the Shepard VI is an obvious Control joke, there an example that fits AIShep much better, I don't know why I've never seen this brought up: Grunt.
Modifié par BleedingUranium, 05 janvier 2013 - 08:33 .
#79269
Posté 05 janvier 2013 - 08:42
Ending Sequence:

Zorya:

Ending Sequence (notice the same two moons from the above pic just the sun has them in a different phase)

Zorya (there are two moons in this pic too but they're hidden behind the forground tree go one sec before you'll see the same small moon and one sec after the same large moon):

Ending Sequence:

Zorya:
#79270
Posté 05 janvier 2013 - 08:44
Maybe What Far Cry 3’s Story Needs Is Something Crazy Like Mass Effect’s Indoctrination Theory
Sorry if someone already posted it.
Morning.
#79271
Posté 05 janvier 2013 - 08:55
lex0r11 wrote...
LOOOOOOOOOOL.
Maybe What Far Cry 3’s Story Needs Is Something Crazy Like Mass Effect’s Indoctrination Theory
Sorry if someone already posted it.
Morning.
lol nice to see that they think ME 3 is better. Looks like someone was actually thinking like an RPG.
Btw evening
#79272
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Posté 05 janvier 2013 - 08:58
Guest_magnetite_*
Oh wait, it wasn't me, it was someone else who did.
Modifié par magnetite, 05 janvier 2013 - 09:00 .
#79273
Posté 05 janvier 2013 - 09:00
#79274
Posté 05 janvier 2013 - 09:00
lex0r11 wrote...
LOOOOOOOOOOL.
Maybe What Far Cry 3’s Story Needs Is Something Crazy Like Mass Effect’s Indoctrination Theory
Sorry if someone already posted it.
Morning.
It was, but was mostly missed (I was catching up at the time). IT's become a household name as it were
People are... slowly getting the idea
#79275
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Posté 05 janvier 2013 - 09:02
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CmdrShep80 wrote...
You know someone posted if we all ever sleep and I think it's Demersel who said we sleep in 4 hour shifts and take shifts. I think he's right heheAfter all I think we can all subscribe to the "Had to be me. Someone else might have gotten it wrong." Regarding our shifts lol
I remember seeing that as someone's license plate (what Mordin said, it was a custom Mass Effect 3 license plate)
I should be going to bed soon. My cat is sitting here next to me itching to go to sleep with me.




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