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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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magnetite wrote...

I may have pointed out several months ago (make that almost a year ago) that some of those ships on the map are escaping from the relay in the Arrival DLC, which was destroyed.

Oh wait, it wasn't me, it was someone else who did.


hey thanks for that. I wasn't here then so I had missed that discussion. But it's nice knowing I was on the right track

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hey thanks for that. I wasn't here then so I had missed that discussion. But it's nice knowing I was on the right track


Yep, since this is all in Shepard's head, that scene wouldn't make sense (just like a dream or nightmare wouldn't make sense), because in reality, we destroyed the relay.

Also, EDI says "we need to leave the system". There's no system outside Earth in all 3 games, so I guess if Shepard was still on Earth (IT), that everyone would leave him there to die alone. No planet that is habitable within Sol besides Earth, and Earth doesn't have two moons. So that planet doesn't exist. It's all in Shepard's head, IMO. Also had some textures called "dreamtrees" or something on the planet's level, but most people wouldn't know that.

Harbinger: Your allies have fallen. You have no one left, Shepard.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

N7Avin180 wrote...

Leviathan was interesting and definitely gives significant insight on Reaper lore, I'd recommend it. From what I've seen there is nothing there which suggests the intelligence does not exist.

In fact it ENFORCES the fact that the intelligence exists.


Indeed it does, but it does not actually in any way imply that the Intelligence is starchild, that's just the player, and Shepard doing that. If the end is[/i] built from memories, starchild makes even more[/i] sense with Leviathan, as Shepard would have a reason to believe there's an intelligence leading the Reapers.

The wording is also very vague on what and where this "Intelligence" is. While we had this idea long before Leviathan, it does help it too: Starchild is Harbinger. You do[/i] have a boss battle with Harbinger after all.


Prof. Mordin Solus: I have ruled out the possibility of an artificially intelligent virus, unless it's *very* intelligent... and toying with me. 

On a separate note, the initial citadel scene with the piles of bodies:
Prof. Mordin Solus: Hard to see big picture behind pile of corpses. 

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^weird it put my two mordin lines in yours blur. Oh well

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The wording is also very vague on what and where this "Intelligence" is. While we had this idea long before Leviathan, it does help it too: Starchild is Harbinger. You do have a boss battle with Harbinger after all.


Heh, looks like Harbinger is Mass Effect 3's final boss. Makes sense.

[Insert Starchild morphing into Harbinger pic here]

Modifié par magnetite, 05 janvier 2013 - 09:10 .


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Where and why the Normandy crashed/now landed with EC is just so much nonsense. D:

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

^weird it put my two mordin lines in yours blur. Oh well


you put this "\\" instead of this "/"

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magnetite wrote...

CmdrShep80 BleedingUranium wrote...
The wording is also very vague on what and where this "Intelligence" is. While we had this idea long before Leviathan, it does help it too: Starchild is Harbinger. You do have a boss battle with Harbinger after all.


Heh, looks like Harbinger is Mass Effect 3's final boss. Makes sense.

[Insert Starchild morphing into Harbinger pic here]


Image IPB

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BleedingUranium wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

^weird it put my two mordin lines in yours blur. Oh well


you put this "" instead of this "/"


fixed!

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BleedingUranium wrote...

magnetite wrote...

CmdrShep80 BleedingUranium wrote...
The wording is also very vague on what and where this "Intelligence" is. While we had this idea long before Leviathan, it does help it too: Starchild is Harbinger. You do have a boss battle with Harbinger after all.


Heh, looks like Harbinger is Mass Effect 3's final boss. Makes sense.

[Insert Starchild morphing into Harbinger pic here]


Image IPB


lol thanks!

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

^weird it put my two mordin lines in yours blur. Oh well


you put this "" instead of this "/"


fixed!


Yay! Does anyone know if backslashes "\\" are ever used anywhere at all? I can't remember ever needing to use one.

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lex0r11 wrote...

Where and why the Normandy crashed/now landed with EC is just so much nonsense. D:


it may be but it could also help with is the crash just a dream too?  There's no way the Normandy can travel that far with mass relays burning out. 

Frankly I think most of London is a waking dream nightmare till you end up just dreaming just after the beam run to the end cause a beam fell on your head

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just woke up.  anything happened overnight? 

(i'll just re-post this linky to one of the best docs on the net regarding this)

www.youtube.com/watch

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BleedingUranium wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...
^weird it put my two mordin lines in yours blur. Oh well


you put this "" instead of this "/"


fixed!

Yay! Does anyone know if backslashes "" are ever used anywhere at all? I can't remember ever needing to use one.

\\ - wiki mostly for programming use

Edit or for:
Commander Shepard - Male: Everytime we've talked about this before, you defended the genophage! Hell, I had to talk you into saving Maelon's data! How could you change your mind now? 
Mordin Solus: I MADE A MISTAKE! 
[calms down, realizes what he just confessed
Mordin Solus: ...I made a mistake. 

Edit 2- :ph34r:

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dorktainian wrote...

just woke up.  anything happened overnight? 

(i'll just re-post this linky to one of the best docs on the net regarding this)

www.youtube.com/watch


Grunt shows why AIShep isn't Shepard.

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Ewww... Renegade dialogue in ME 1 makes Shepard sound sometimes like entitled ignorant buffoon. Not that Paragon is always better. Wish the game wouldn't punish the player for choosing neutral dialogue...

Modifié par Humakt83, 05 janvier 2013 - 09:32 .


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BleedingUranium wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

^weird it put my two mordin lines in yours blur. Oh well


you put this "" instead of this "/"


fixed!


Yay! Does anyone know if backslashes "" are ever used anywhere at all? I can't remember ever needing to use one.

They are used in commands written after the Command Prompt in Windows.

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Humakt83 wrote...

Ewww... Renegade dialogue in ME 1 makes Shepard sound sometimes like entitled ignorant buffoon. Not that Paragon is always better. Wish the game wouldn't punish the player for choosing neutral dialogue...


think of neutral as indecisive. Shepard isn't indecisive. He takes a risk and makes a decision and lives with the consequences. 

I agree. Don't like renegade. Prefer paragon. Just fits better for me

Edit- Paragon Shepard. Had to be me. Someone else might have gotten it wrong ;)

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

- wiki mostly for programming use


My thanks.

Edit: And Paxx too

CmdrShep80 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Where and why the Normandy crashed/now landed with EC is just so much nonsense. D:


it may be but it could also help with is the crash just a dream too?  There's no way the Normandy can travel that far with mass relays burning out. 

Frankly I think most of London is a waking dream nightmare till you end up just dreaming just after the beam run to the end cause a beam fell on your head


With EC being nothing more than trying to calm the raging fans that didn't get the ending, while also not revealing it, I'm going to assume it's non-canon.

The original ending is sooo much better.

It's also really, really obvious that the dream starts at getting lased in the original. Like, fade to white and dream music obvious. And after that is where everything's weird anyway.

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lex0r11 wrote...

LOOOOOOOOOOL.

Maybe What Far Cry 3’s Story Needs Is Something Crazy Like Mass Effect’s Indoctrination Theory

Sorry if someone already posted it.

Morning. :D


Waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwait.  Some people think Far Cry 3 is ment to be taken literally, and is just bad writing?

Seriously, how ****ing stupid is the average gamer becoming?  Kotaku, you are the Daily Sport of gaming journalism (i.e. utter garbage).

Got to love some of the comments.  Sound familiar?

"Fans adding layers of nuance and depth in these type of discussions are
just giving the creators too much credit. ME3's ending and FC3's story
are just not well-written. It doesn't take away from the gameplay or
even particularly bother me, it's just examples of a horse by committee
being a mule."

Yes, because a game with trippy **** like tattoos magically inking themselves onto the main character's arms right before his eyes, being able to slaughter dozens of highly trained and merciless pirates with weapons that he's never used before, survive repeated gun and stabwounds, all in a game that's had drug or poison enduced hallucinations throughout from the very ****ing beginning of the ****ing game is totally ment to be taking ****ing literally.

Seriously.  What the ****.

Also, this ****ing article.  http://www.gameranx....ination-theory/

"In early 2012, an enterprising set
of video game fans thought that the narrative of one of their preferred
games didn’t make sense, so they constructed a version that did. That
game was Mass Effect III, and their theory, the Indoctrination Theory, supposedly smoothed over many of the flaws in ME3’s terrible
ending. “It didn’t suck, because it didn’t happen!” Unfortunately, they
had the wrong game. The easiest explanation for Mass Effect III’s enraging ending was simply that it was tacked-on and add too much to the game’s mythology."

Misinformation ahoy!  I wish 'gaming journalists' would actually, you know, investigate the subjects they are talking about before spewing their ****.  Because all it is right now is opinion with a bit of editing.

Modifié par Andromidius, 05 janvier 2013 - 09:53 .


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hey... just listening to the docu (link i posted earlier)

they mention something about the rachni - how their communication works.

and that the Rachni cannot be indoctrinated....however their natural QEC can be changed so the instructions the children receive are changed.

It also states QEC is untraceable.

If QEC can be altered and the message changed (as with what happened to the rachni), how do we know anything shepard sees or hears through the 'secondary QEC'  - noticibly in blue - from hackett or anderson is real?

distortion on a QEC?  for real?  

Also - something i just noticed..... in shepards quarters - at the top of his bed, there is what looks like a panel.  behind the panel is another space with a window above it looking out into space.  What is there?  

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Andromidius wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

LOOOOOOOOOOL.

Maybe What Far Cry 3’s Story Needs Is Something Crazy Like Mass Effect’s Indoctrination Theory

Sorry if someone already posted it.

Morning. :D


Waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwait.  Some people think Far Cry 3 is ment to be taken literally, and is just bad writing?

Seriously, how ****ing stupid is the average gamer becoming?  Kotaku, you are the Daily Sport of gaming journalism (i.e. utter garbage).

Got to love some of the comments.  Sound familiar?

"Fans adding layers of nuance and depth in these type of discussions are
just giving the creators too much credit. ME3's ending and FC3's story
are just not well-written. It doesn't take away from the gameplay or
even particularly bother me, it's just examples of a horse by committee
being a mule."

Yes, because a game with trippy **** like tattoos magically inking themselves onto the main character's arms right before his eyes, being able to slaughter dozens of highly trained and merciless pirates with weapons that he's never used before, survive repeated gun and stabwounds, all in a game that's had drug or poison enduced hallucinations throughout from the very ****ing beginning of the ****ing game is totally ment to be taking ****ing literally.

Seriously.  What the ****.


I really try to avoid thinking of people who don't get IT as idiots (or worse), but this? Yeah that's just ****ing retarded. That's like taking Fight Club literally, or Inception, if that's even possible.


Andromidius wrote...

Also, this ****ing article. http://www.gameranx....ination-theory/

"In early 2012, an enterprising set
of video game fans thought that the narrative of one of their preferred
games didn’t make sense, so they constructed a version that did. That
game was Mass Effect III, and their theory, the Indoctrination Theory, supposedly smoothed over many of the flaws in ME3’s terrible
ending. “It didn’t suck, because it didn’t happen!” Unfortunately, they
had the wrong game. The easiest explanation for Mass Effect III’s enraging ending was simply that it was tacked-on and add too much to the game’s mythology."

Misinformation ahoy! I wish 'gaming journalists' would actually, you know, investigate the subjects they are talking about before spewing their ****. Because all it is right now is opinion with a bit of editing.


I'm hoping one day game "journalists" will do more than either promote what they've been paid to, or just agree with whatever the community in general is thinking/feeling.

He's the same with all misinfo bolded:

"In early 2012, an enterprising set
of video game fans thought that the narrative of one of their preferred
games didn’t make sense, so they constructed a version that did. That
game was Mass Effect III, and their theory, the Indoctrination Theory, supposedly smoothed over many of the flaws in ME3’s terrible
ending. “It didn’t suck, because it didn’t happen!” Unfortunately, they
had the wrong game. The easiest explanation for Mass Effect III’s enraging ending was simply that it was tacked-on and add too much to the game’s mythology.
"

All but the intro, and it's not even that long. Image IPB

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 05 janvier 2013 - 09:58 .


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I've been playing AC2 recently and I've got a feeling the game is a hallucination. Image IPBImage IPB Definitely not a good idea to jump off a 50-story high tower onto a haystack.

Modifié par paxxton, 05 janvier 2013 - 09:59 .


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Has anyone compared Earth shown at the end (from the Citadel) to Eden Prime and Palaven? Is it even Earth?

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Humakt83 wrote...

Has anyone compared Earth shown at the end (from the Citadel) to Eden Prime and Palaven? Is it even Earth?


Not Palaven for sure, we were on the dark side of that. I was never able to actaully make out any landmasses though, nothing familiar.

Speaking of that though, watch the Black Ark in the vid in my sig, it's heading to London Image IPB

Edit: I'll link it anyway

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 05 janvier 2013 - 10:01 .