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[Fur28]

Question: can Shepard wake up after Refuse?,
since he doesn´t take any of the choices, ergo not thrusting the catalyst
just curious

[BleedingUranium]

Fur28 wrote...

Question: can Shepard wake up after Refuse?,
since he doesn´t take any of the choices, ergo not thrusting the catalyst
just curious

General consensus is no, Shepard's mind is either fried, or stuck in limbo, as the closing shot of Refuse suggests.

Edit: From my Destroy thread, Jade tried claiming this was opinion:

If you play the game from a literal perspective, then everything happens as you see it, even Synthesis. So if you don't want Synthesis, the so-called best (but disgusting) one, pick Control, and if you don't like the idea of the Reapers becoming Space Big Brother, then pick Destroy. Refuse is just plain worse than Destroy, in literally every single way possible.

If you play the game from an IT perspective, then Destroy isn't one of the kid's choices. The choices are just metaphors for Shepard's possible goal: destroying the Reapers, attempting to control them, or adopting their methods and goals as your own. Every single Shepard, not matter how you play yours, enters the room wanting to destroy the Reapers, and since they're just representations of possible goals, and that is Shepard's goal, it has to exist. All the kid can do is tell you you shouldn't do it and that it's bad, but he cannot make it go away.

So, in either case, there's no reason to pick Refuse. The only actual reasons are to say FU to Bioware/the kid/the end/whatever, but those are meta reasons and have nothing to do with the actual narrative.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 06 janvier 2013 - 05:27 .

[byne]

I think, of the music for the four different endings, I like the control music the best. The destroy music is close behind, though.

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

I think, of the music for the four different endings, I like the control music the best. The destroy music is close behind, though.

Destroy is the only one that is both consistent and victorious.

[HiddenInWar]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

I think, of the music for the four different endings, I like the control music the best. The destroy music is close behind, though.

Destroy is the only one that is both consistent and victorious.

I concur.

[Steelcan]

I just played the Cerberus Abductions mission on Benning and some thing hit me.

Hackett mentions how he thinks that the Cerberus soldiers are rogue. And then it hit me, combine this with the video log of TIM describing how he is keeping all those new "recruits" under Control. The Reapers managed to "hack" into Cerberus Control signals, I'm guessing similarly to how Cerberus managed to control reaper forces.

This leads me to believe that over the course of the game, more and more Cerberus soldiers are being I doctrinal end by the Reapers. Eventually culminating with TIM being indoctrinated.

Thoughts?

[byne]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

Question: can Shepard wake up after Refuse?,
since he doesn´t take any of the choices, ergo not thrusting the catalyst
just curious

General consensus is no, Shepard's mind is either fried, or stuck in limbo, as the closing shot of Refuse suggests.

Edit: From my Destroy thread, Jade tried claiming this was opinion:

If you play the game from a literal perspective, then everything happens as you see it, even Synthesis. So if you don't want Synthesis, the so-called best (but disgusting) one, pick Control, and if you don't like the idea of the Reapers becoming Space Big Brother, then pick Destroy. Refuse is just plain worse than Destroy, in literally every single way possible.

If you play the game from an IT perspective, then Destroy isn't one of the kid's choices. The choices are just metaphors for Shepard's possible goal: destroying the Reapers, attempting to control them, or adopting their methods and goals as your own. Every single Shepard, not matter how you play yours, enters the room wanting to destroy the Reapers, and since they're just representations of possible goals, and that is Shepard's goal, it has to exist. All the kid can do is tell you you shouldn't do it and that it's bad, but he cannot make it go away.

So, in either case, there's no reason to pick Refuse. The only actual reasons are to say FU to Bioware/the kid/the end/whatever, but those are meta reasons and have nothing to do with the actual narrative.

No one, were they in Shepard's position in real life, would ever actually pick refuse. Refusers have the benefit of knowing they're playing a video game. If refusers insist they would pick refuse even in real life, I'm just thankful they arent in positions of authority.

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

I think, of the music for the four different endings, I like the control music the best. The destroy music is close behind, though.

Destroy is the only one that is both consistent and victorious.

Well sure, but that doesnt stop control from having my favorite music.

[BleedingUranium]

Steelcan wrote...

I just played the Cerberus Abductions mission on Benning and some thing hit me.

Hackett mentions how he thinks that the Cerberus soldiers are rogue. And then it hit me, combine this with the video log of TIM describing how he is keeping all those new "recruits" under Control. The Reapers managed to "hack" into Cerberus Control signals, I'm guessing similarly to how Cerberus managed to control reaper forces.

This leads me to believe that over the course of the game, more and more Cerberus soldiers are being I doctrinal end by the Reapers. Eventually culminating with TIM being indoctrinated.

Thoughts?

So the Reapers, instead of manipulating TIM, slowly ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL over Cerberus's people and operations? That seems likely to me.

[BansheeOwnage]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Repost of this. A while ago I showed my dad the four EC ending tracks without context, and had him tell me words that came to mind, this is the result.

SYNTHESIS
Factual
What comes next?
Storytelling
Progress
Convergence
Coming together with a plan
Exploring
Looking
Analyzing
Awe
Approaching a terminus
Coming to an end

CONTROL
Apprehension
Concern
Uncertainty
Anticipation
Fear
Unknown
Tension

REFUSE
Aftermath
Loss
Reflection
Death
Realization
What now?
Remembering
Determination

DESTROY
Hope
New beginning
Looking ahead
Colleagues
Starting anew

I won't post the links or anytihng (I'm trying to advance my playthrough ) but I showed him some others, and really, he's perfect with them.

An End Once And For All (Always found that title ironic): An end, but a begining at the same time. Building up to something.

Spectre Induction: A ceremony.

The Swath (Holding out music in Vancouver and London): Can't remember his exact words, but to the effect of well, holding out. Covering fire etc.

The Beam Run: Semi-conscious.

Wow.

[BleedingUranium]

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

I think, of the music for the four different endings, I like the control music the best. The destroy music is close behind, though.

Destroy is the only one that is both consistent and victorious.

Well sure, but that doesnt stop control from having my favorite music.

I'm with Byne on this Control's music is the coolest. Creepy and ominous for sure, but as music I like it the best. Destroy seems victorious, but barely.

[Steelcan]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I just played the Cerberus Abductions mission on Benning and some thing hit me.

Hackett mentions how he thinks that the Cerberus soldiers are rogue. And then it hit me, combine this with the video log of TIM describing how he is keeping all those new "recruits" under Control. The Reapers managed to "hack" into Cerberus Control signals, I'm guessing similarly to how Cerberus managed to control reaper forces.

This leads me to believe that over the course of the game, more and more Cerberus soldiers are being I doctrinal end by the Reapers. Eventually culminating with TIM being indoctrinated.

Thoughts?

So the Reapers, instead of manipulating TIM, slowly ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL over Cerberus's people and operations? That seems likely to me.

. It also explains why TIM is able to combat the Reapers until the end of ME3.

[BleedingUranium]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Repost of this. A while ago I showed my dad the four EC ending tracks without context, and had him tell me words that came to mind, this is the result.

SYNTHESIS
Factual
What comes next?
Storytelling
Progress
Convergence
Coming together with a plan
Exploring
Looking
Analyzing
Awe
Approaching a terminus
Coming to an end

CONTROL
Apprehension
Concern
Uncertainty
Anticipation
Fear
Unknown
Tension

REFUSE
Aftermath
Loss
Reflection
Death
Realization
What now?
Remembering
Determination

DESTROY
Hope
New beginning
Looking ahead
Colleagues
Starting anew

I won't post the links or anytihng (I'm trying to advance my playthrough ) but I showed him some others, and really, he's perfect with them.

An End Once And For All (Always found that title ironic): An end, but a begining at the same time. Building up to something.

Spectre Induction: A ceremony.

The Swath (Holding out music in Vancouver and London): Can't remember his exact words, but to the effect of well, holding out. Covering fire etc.

The Beam Run: Semi-conscious.

Wow.

That's awesome

[BansheeOwnage]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I just played the Cerberus Abductions mission on Benning and some thing hit me.

Hackett mentions how he thinks that the Cerberus soldiers are rogue. And then it hit me, combine this with the video log of TIM describing how he is keeping all those new "recruits" under Control. The Reapers managed to "hack" into Cerberus Control signals, I'm guessing similarly to how Cerberus managed to control reaper forces.

This leads me to believe that over the course of the game, more and more Cerberus soldiers are being I doctrinal end by the Reapers. Eventually culminating with TIM being indoctrinated.

Thoughts?

So the Reapers, instead of manipulating TIM, slowly ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL over Cerberus's people and operations? That seems likely to me.

They are already indoctrinated by proxy, so they are effectively already doing that.

[BansheeOwnage]

Playing Rannoch!

[Steelcan]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Playing Rannoch!

Im about to go to Tuchunka

[BleedingUranium]

Steelcan wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Playing Rannoch!

Im about to go to Tuchunka

I'm about to do Garrus's loyalty mission, once I'm home. That's so much less awesome than those two

[CoolioThane]

I'm still awake. Sigh. Got to leave before 9 so doubt there's any point in me sleeping

[BleedingUranium]

CoolioThane wrote...

I'm still awake. Sigh. Got to leave before 9 so doubt there's any point in me sleeping

It's just after 6 there? Can you sleep while travelling?

[Steelcan]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Playing Rannoch!

Im about to go to Tuchunka

I'm about to do Garrus's loyalty mission, once I'm home. That's so much less awesome than those two

What will happen to Sidonis?

[BansheeOwnage]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Playing Rannoch!

Im about to go to Tuchunka

I'm about to do Garrus's loyalty mission, once I'm home. That's so much less awesome than those two

When you coming home?

[CoolioThane]

BleedingUranium wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

I'm still awake. Sigh. Got to leave before 9 so doubt there's any point in me sleeping

It's just after 6 there? Can you sleep while travelling?

Yeah, gotta pack as well  I could try but I've never been good at that

[401 Kill]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Playing Rannoch!

Did somebody say Rannoch?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

CoolioThane wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

I'm still awake. Sigh. Got to leave before 9 so doubt there's any point in me sleeping

It's just after 6 there? Can you sleep while travelling?

Yeah, gotta pack as well  I could try but I've never been good at that

Where are you going, if you don't mind me asking?

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Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 06 janvier 2013 - 06:17 .

[BansheeOwnage]

401 Kill wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Playing Thessia!

Did somebody say Rannoch?

You're crazy.