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[BleedingUranium]

Math Effect wrote...

If the Real Beam is a trap, then the Reapers win.  The Beam Blitz was the Alliance's best plan after all.   I suppose IT has picking Destroy as winning the Indoctrination Battle...but I already described my disagreement with that choice.

When you say the "plot at hand" are you referring to the IT idea that the whole plot of ME3 was the indoctrination of Shepard?

If the beam is a trap then... actually, we don't know what'll happen. There might not be something obvious, but there are plenty of theoretical ways we could win, we've come up with at least a half-dozen here. Darkest just before the dawn, and London is the darkest.

Yes. If IT is true, then the indoctrination of Shepard was the primary plot of ME3, like stopping Saren/Sovereign in ME1, and the Collectors in ME2. So as soon as you see the breath scene (or pick something else), the story's over. Shepard's either indoctrinated, indoctrinate, alive, or dead, one of those four.

So not only could there be a DLC to wrap things up, but Shepard could still appear in ME4, even as the player character, even though his personal story is over.

[dorktainian]

whoever said IT may start at the mako/tank getting shot/hit/crashing may just be spot on. there is no way harbinger would let anyone get to the citadel physically as he would remember what happened to sovereign.

[BleedingUranium]

byne wrote...

Math Effect wrote...

If the Real Beam is a trap, then the Reapers win.  The Beam Blitz was the Alliance's best plan after all.   I suppose IT has picking Destroy as winning the Indoctrination Battle...but I already described my disagreement with that choice.

When you say the "plot at hand" are you referring to the IT idea that the whole plot of ME3 was the indoctrination of Shepard?

Its kind of sad that  Anderson's plan is barely distinguishable from Sarge's plan.

It's even the top comment

[Math Effect]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Math Effect wrote...

If the Real Beam is a trap, then the Reapers win.  The Beam Blitz was the Alliance's best plan after all.   I suppose IT has picking Destroy as winning the Indoctrination Battle...but I already described my disagreement with that choice.

When you say the "plot at hand" are you referring to the IT idea that the whole plot of ME3 was the indoctrination of Shepard?

If the beam is a trap then... actually, we don't know what'll happen. There might not be something obvious, but there are plenty of theoretical ways we could win, we've come up with at least a half-dozen here. Darkest just before the dawn, and London is the darkest.

Yes. If IT is true, then the indoctrination of Shepard was the primary plot of ME3, like stopping Saren/Sovereign in ME1, and the Collectors in ME2. So as soon as you see the breath scene (or pick something else), the story's over. Shepard's either indoctrinated, indoctrinate, alive, or dead, one of those four.

So not only could there be a DLC to wrap things up, but Shepard could still appear in ME4, even as the player character, even though his personal story is over.

Then this game had the longest sidequests ever.

[BleedingUranium]

dorktainian wrote...

whoever said IT may start at the mako/tank getting shot/hit/crashing may just be spot on. there is no way harbinger would let anyone get to the citadel physically as he would remember what happened to sovereign.

With EC, definitely. Without EC, debatable, but I very much doubt it.

[BleedingUranium]

Math Effect wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Math Effect wrote...

If the Real Beam is a trap, then the Reapers win.  The Beam Blitz was the Alliance's best plan after all.   I suppose IT has picking Destroy as winning the Indoctrination Battle...but I already described my disagreement with that choice.

When you say the "plot at hand" are you referring to the IT idea that the whole plot of ME3 was the indoctrination of Shepard?

If the beam is a trap then... actually, we don't know what'll happen. There might not be something obvious, but there are plenty of theoretical ways we could win, we've come up with at least a half-dozen here. Darkest just before the dawn, and London is the darkest.

Yes. If IT is true, then the indoctrination of Shepard was the primary plot of ME3, like stopping Saren/Sovereign in ME1, and the Collectors in ME2. So as soon as you see the breath scene (or pick something else), the story's over. Shepard's either indoctrinated, indoctrinate, alive, or dead, one of those four.

So not only could there be a DLC to wrap things up, but Shepard could still appear in ME4, even as the player character, even though his personal story is over.

Then this game had the longest sidequests ever.

In a sense, that's true, because Tuchanka and Rannoch basically are giant sidequests.

[dorktainian]

anyone trying to defend star brat or his choices in any way just simply hasnt been paying attention during mass effect 3.

[Math Effect]

dorktainian wrote...

ah nice. synthesis. the choice of a reaper and you accept it? 'cough' indoctrinated 'cough'



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ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL



No but seriously that's not what I was trying to say at all.  To put it another way, I'm advocating a "Shepard ignores the colors and chooses to finish the mission Anderson gave him, which is to get to the Conduit" theory.  It just happens that that path is also Synthesis.  If the Middle Path had been "Galactic Reaper Anal Probing" my Shepard would have still chosen it because he's ultimately ignoring all the dialogue.  Not saying he wouldn't hesitate though...

[dorktainian]

suicide is painless... 2 of the 3 options are suicidal.

[BleedingUranium]

dorktainian wrote...

suicide is painless... 2 of the 3 options are suicidal.

Actually, Shepard thinks he's going to die in all three cases.

[dorktainian]

oh and.......(even tho i picked refuse last time i finished the game) out of the 3 choices only destroy is anything like a solution shepard would want.

[Math Effect]

dorktainian wrote...

oh and.......(even tho i picked refuse last time i finished the game) out of the 3 choices only destroy is anything like a solution shepard would want.

I think you're ignoring what I'm saying...



But on the topic of Refuse, I chose Refuse the first time I played... but only because I have a habit of shooting anything I can.  That Harbinger voice scared the bejeezus out of me.

Modifié par Math Effect, 06 janvier 2013 - 08:21 .

[Math Effect]

BleedingUranium wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Math Effect wrote...

I look forward to defending my arguments and maybe even building on them!

I would answer more in-depth but I have to go. Unfortunately not too many people are on right now

One problem I have: If it's an indoctrination atemp, why would the Child advocate synthesis? That seems counterproductive to your theory.

Funny name by the way.

What you're talking about is similar to the Waking Nightmare Theory, which is exactly what it sounds like.

Focusing of the beam = final goal bit for a minute, that's actually a pretty good point. I think you're wrong, but I haven't seen something thought out like that in a while

There are two ways to see this: the first is what you said, the beam is the goal and therefore we should pick Synthesis, but on the other hand, if Synthesis is a trap (as per IT standard) then doesn't that suggest the real beam is a trap as well? Basically a giant mosquito light to lure everyone into.

As for the main problem you have with IT, that it doesn't finish the story, that is true, but the way I see it, it's no different than ME1 or 2's endings, they finish the plot at hand, but the overall plot of the series continues.

Quick skim of the WNT thread has informed me that I am probably a WNTist

I'll probably beam spam them with my Beam idea but this group is so much more livelier!

[BleedingUranium]

Math Effect wrote...

Quick skim of the WNT thread has informed me that I am probably a WNTist

I'll probably beam spam them with my Beam idea but this group is so much more livelier!

That's because WNT is basically a sub-section of IT, it's founder TJBartlemus­ is a regular here. I'm sure he'd love to see you post in his thread though!

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 06 janvier 2013 - 08:31 .

[masster blaster]

So I take it everything is going well everyone. Been playing All the dlc's I got except Overlord because Overlord's data file was corrupted. I have been trying to find clues of IT related stuff, yet everything I have found have already been speculated on, or really straw grasping.

Also I find it cool that once I completed the shadow broker mission I could fund missions for the Shadow Brokers agents. I just wish All the missions went well. Oh and What ever happened to The Drell?

Modifié par masster blaster, 06 janvier 2013 - 08:37 .

[BleedingUranium]

masster blaster wrote...

So I take it everything is going well everyone. Been playing All the dlc's I got except Overlord because Overlord's data file was corrupted. I have been trying to find clues of IT related stuff, yet everything I have found have already been speculated on, or really straw grasping.

Also I find it cool that once I completed the shadow broker mission I could fund missions for the Shadow Brokers agents. I just wish All the missions went well. Oh and What ever happened to The Drell?

I'm glad you finally got them! Kasumi's one of my favourite characters, and Arrival's my favourite DLC in the series.

Feron? I don't believe he ever dies in ME3, Liara mentions him a few times and you get an email or two from him. He's also my Drell Infiltrator in MP

[masster blaster]

Well aside from The Shadow Broker dlc, it didn't have anything good for IT wise.
Except for the shifting walls, and the similar postitions of the antania looking guns.

Kasumi's mission was funny. When I saw the Oger statue I laughed for 5 minutes, and Shepard's face when he saw Saren's statue priceless. Oh and I destroyed the grey box personally. But Really Kasumi thinks Jacob is... Nevermind.

Oh and one more thing I was playing the Deralect Reaper mission, and the last log you can see is very IT telling. Will post in 11 hours. 9 hours for sleeping 1 hour on here, and 1 hour doing my study's/ brunch.

[Hrothdane]

Feron died and was reincarnated as a certain enchanting lad we all know and love: Sandal.

(Same voice actor)

[masster blaster]

I see Blurr. I think she is okay. Love how her armor/ clothing looks Quarian, and dam I wish she was a LI. As for Arrival, I am holding it off till after the SSM. However Hackett's message made me feel uneasy. He doesn't want to send a team in, but just Shepard. Yet if you don't do arrival he sends a division of Marians.

He also had a history with Kenson hmm....You know what's funny is that the Shadow Broker was planning on taking one of Hackett's men, or Hackett himself I believe out, and the Shadow Broker was going to replace Hackett, or one of his staff members. I could have it wrong, but that's what I read in the Shadow Brokers dossiairs terminal.

Modifié par masster blaster, 06 janvier 2013 - 09:01 .

[Skillz1986]

@ math effect

I have a few problems with your interpretation. And even though i get the core meaning (there is no real choice to be made...it's about staying determined to reach the beam) there are a few inconsistencies. As banshee already pointed out, the starchild would not advocate synthesis so much (which he does, according to him it is clearly the best choice) if it really menat that shepard would in reality reach the beam by accepting the beam in his semi conscient state.

Here's my take on it, along with a tie in with EMS

I assume you have destroyed the collector base in me2 (in my opinion how you deal wih the base in me 2 sets the foundation for how your shepard thinks)

Anyway: collector base destroyed= shepard believes he can fight the reapers without sacrificing his humanity in the process. He is determined not to use anything the reapers have to offer (technology/weaponry ec.), he's going to "fight and win without it", he's not going to "let fear compromise who i am" he's also determined to not taking s**t from from them.

Low ems:

As far as i remember, only destroy is available. This is the case, because this is what shepard was determined to do (destroyed collector base). The reapers know you are not going to win (low ems) and do not even bother to steer you away from that plan. For them you are just "dust struggling against cosmic winds". They let you hold on to the idea of fighting them. You' ll loose anyway.

The higher your EMS gets, the more concerned the reapers become.

Thus high EMS:

Shepard ist still determined to desrtroy the reapers so the destroy option is still available (note: the child never offered you this choice. He says this himself "i know YOU THOUGHT about destroying us). But because of you high EMS the reapers/child deems your chances of defeating them very high. It rries everything (compare the counter arguments of all choices..destroy is the worst thing you could do according to the child. You'd need to sacrifice a lot eg: the geht;edi. It's uncertain "the pewce won't last" and you yourself MIGHT die too "you yourself are partially synthetic")
to make you choose control or synthesis.

This is what indoctrinatio is about, planting an idea in it's victims head, to make him align with your doctrine. So how you choose during the sequence, will determine your mindset un future content. If you choose destroy you will still be determined to destroy the reapers once you come to your sense. Choose control, and you'll basically be TIM all over again. Choose synthesis and you'll come back with sarens mindset.
I hope i get my point across

[BleedingUranium]

masster blaster wrote...

I see Blurr. I think she is okay. Love how her armor/ clothing looks Quarian, and dam I wish she was a LI. As for Arrival, I am holding it off till after the SSM. However Hackett's message made me feel uneasy. He doesn't want to send a team in, but just Shepard. Yet if you don't do arrival he sends a division of Marians.

He also had a history with Kenson hmm....You know what's funny is that the Shadow Broker was planning on taking one of Hackett's men, or Hackett himself I believe out, and the Shadow Broker was going to replace Hackett, or one of his staff members. I could have it wrong, but that's what I read in the Shadow Brokers dossiairs terminal.

She's my #1 choice for LI  but sadly

Yes, definitely do Arrival after the SM, in fact, you should do it as the very last thing in ME2.

[masster blaster]

Skillz.

" It is now in your power to Destroy us." That's what the brat says now. Unless he says that depending on your ems, well I have very high ems. Also note that Destroy ending is higher than Synthesis. Why is that. I thought that the best ending is Synthesis, yet you can unlock something even better than Synthesis it'self.

What is it? A 20 second cut scene of Shepard taking a breath, sourrounded by rubble, where it's windy, and similar structers found on Earth.

[Skillz1986]

@master

That's not true. Destroy (if you have destroyed the collector base) is there with the lowest EMS. The higher your EMS gets the better the outcome for picking destroy becomes. The breath scene commes at the highest EMS. with my explanation that all makes sense. The higher your ems..the bettet your chances of success

so idon't really understand your concern.

Modifié par Skillz1986, 06 janvier 2013 - 09:13 .

[masster blaster]

You know that's what bugs me.

Refuse has no ems requiarments. I mean you can try to find how much, yet it has no limet. However the other three ending do.

First you have Destroy, or Control first. Second you have Control, or Destroy. Then finally you have Synthesis. Now when people say the best ending is the one highest, well in unlocking wise, yes you can unlock Control, and Destroy choices, and then get Synthesis. However Destroy by the time you reached the ems requierments for Synthesis, is not at it's ultimate ending.

Furthermore I am led to believe that Bioware likes Destroy, yet won't admit it. How else do you explain Anderson's death causes you to lose 1000 ems just to unlock a short clip of Shepard waking up in Destroy ending, that's worth more than Control, and Synthesis.

[masster blaster]

Skill yes I know that, but with the EC it changed from " I know you thought about Destroying us", into " It is now in your power to Destroy us."