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[masster blaster]

Okay I need some ZZZzzzz. Night everyone, and welcome Math effect.

[BleedingUranium]

Basically, Destroy + no breath scene = Shepard trying to fight, but failing.

[Skillz1986]

Basically, yes. And here i was thinking it might be difficult to explain

[Skillz1986]

Here's analogy

I'm a trained fighter and a random dude wants to go toe to toe with me.

Scenario one: dude is very determined to put me down. But is nothing but a livin skeleton with nothing to back up his loudmouthing. I let him take his shot, put him down and be done with it.

Scenario 2: dude's an untrained but lowerfull fighter, who's been into some brawls and has some kimd of a reputation. I might reconsider going toe to toe with him and try to smoothe things over.

He can of course still try to go at me...take a few shots..maybe he'll even win..but it'll ce at a cost

Scenario3: dude's an mma fighter..i sure as hell don't want to fight him. Plus, what the hell? He brought his mma fighting buddies? I need to do something here. Offer something to him so he does not beat the crap out of me.

change his mind (indoctrination= changing someone's mind to align with your own doctrine)

edit: the "change his mind" line was added

Modifié par Skillz1986, 06 janvier 2013 - 10:59 .

[ElSuperGecko]

I like that analogy, very fitting to the situation.

Obviously as well, the more assets and resources Shepard has recruited, the better equipped the fleets are and the more complete the Crucible, the higher Shepard's confidence and morale will be.

LOW EMS - wow, I've lost more than I've gained. We've got nothing. This is desperate.

HIGH EMS - I've united the galaxy against all odds. The Reapers are going down!

[Skillz1986]

In my opion. With a high ems you have already beaten the reapers theoretically. You've proven wrong everything they stand for with your actions. I in the end it's up to the player to realize this and go the final step.

[BleedingUranium]

Skillz1986 wrote...

In my opion. With a high ems you have already beaten the reapers theoretically. You've proven wrong everything they stand for with your actions. I in the end it's up to the player to realize this and go the final step.

I agree, I think regardless of what happens in Refuse (because it doesn't happen) we can beat the Reapers without the Crucible. The main story paints a much bleaker picture that there really is, if you pay attention to the little things, like Codex entries and planet descriptions.

Also, Legion hug for everyone:

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 06 janvier 2013 - 12:04 .

[dorktainian]

the only thing i would say is that the reapers could have just let shepard die (literally) therefore there has to be a concrete reason for them wanting him alive - indoctrinated or not. harbinger certainly wants him alive.

[ElSuperGecko]

Lots of interesting discussion on the forum this morning, quite a lot of fun topics around at the moment.

Also, Legn hug has a red background! Is Legion embracing Destroy?! **speculations**

[ElSuperGecko]

BleedingUranium wrote...

"You should have seen the size of the one that got away..."

[dorktainian]

anyone watched the 'choose wisely' vids on IT lately? a very very good watch indeed.

[ElSuperGecko]

dorktainian wrote...
the only thing i would say is that the reapers could have just let shepard die (literally) therefore there has to be a concrete reason for them wanting him alive - indoctrinated or not. harbinger certainly wants him alive.

Yep.  I like to combine this thought with Javik's quotes about being an "exemplar of this cycle".

The Catalyst/Harbinger wants Shepard to be the ruling conciousness of the inevitable Human Reaper, precisely because Shepard shows the most potential...

[Andromidius]

BleedingUranium wrote...

I agree, I think regardless of what happens in Refuse (because it doesn't happen) we can beat the Reapers without the Crucible.

Either that, or the Crucible is the Reaper's downfall - but not in the way its painted.  Its their giant trap, and in their hubris they never think it'll go wrong or be used against them.  Much like the Leviathans creating The Intelligence and never thinking it would turn on them or go wrong in any way.

Since we know the Crucible is just a battery, it opens up the possibilities for its application. 

Which would make it a 'bounded fake dues ex machina' - something designed to appear to be a dues ex machina but is actually designed to destroy you, but is then twisted to become the dues ex machina again.  /mindexplodes

As an aside, the 'Catalyst' is showing classic signs of a conartist.  He's targetting someone vulnerable (they usually go for drunk, ill or old people) all by themselves so they don't have anyone to protect them.  He's telling his target how lucky and fortunate they are to be in this situation.  He gives vague answers to questions about his validity and motives.  He then suggests the 'correct' route in passing, but tells you its a bad idea and that you don't want that.  Then suggests an alternative in a 'do you think you can win?' suggestive way, implying that the odds are in your favour (they never are).  And finally suggests a 'chance of a lifetime' offer, that will change your life forever and make it amazing - the all in nothing gamble.

In that situation, gambling anything results in you losing.  Walking away (refusing) just means they'll get someone else later on (or just rob you directly, depending).  Calling the police and having them arrested is the only way to deal with the situation.

[Skillz1986]

@dorktanian

I may be wrong with my low ems/wake up interperetation.maybe they just let him die..i don't know. What is clear to..is they don't bother indoctrinating him with low ems (numerous explanations above).

The reason for keeping him alive in moderate ems/high ems are pretty clear.
If he chooses control, shep and his allies basically become the new cerberus (since cerberus is prety much gone)..advocating for control and fighting everyone who opposes the idea. Giving the reapers more time to fulfill their purpose

High ems they have you agreeing to be harvested..and all your allies as well.

[Skillz1986]

Or as gecko says, they want you to be the new ruling cosciousness...

[dorktainian]

hey talking of using the crudible against them, my lad suggested something really weird the other day when my shep was once again in the chamber.

''look up. why not just shoot the energy delivery part of the crudible?''

now this at the time to me seemed really weird, but that is the source of star brats power imo. maybe destroying the citadel is the key here? it links to all reapers. use the crudible to do just that. use it against them.

[Skillz1986]

Just want to clarify my "i could be wrong about" posting...i could be wrong aboit everything i said is what i meant. These are just thoughts i have been having for a lomg time now. Just thought about sharing and discussing them. (also sorry for posting this often, quoting or editung takes forever with my phone and i'm at work now...don't have that much time)

[dorktainian]

hey speculation.....

[demersel]

Hello everyone. Am i the only one, who thinks that Stargezer's forest is the same forest that Shepard sees in the dreams?

[BleedingUranium]

If the Crucible is a battery, one that powers the Citadel relay, allowing them to return to dark space, then there's quite a list of ways that could work to our favour. It's also a troll on a level only the Reapers could come up with.

[MaximizedAction]

demersel wrote...

Hello everyone. Am i the only one, who thinks that Stargezer's forest is the same forest that Shepard sees in the dreams?

Speaking of which: there's an awful lot of forest and flower themes in the metaphorical or symbolic parts of the game.

On the one hand, I think it makes sense as a green forest and flowers represent healthy, natural, organic life. In the dreams the forest is pretty dead, while at the end sequences (incl. Buzz' scene) it's all alive and well, which makes sense since you are to believe that the Reaper threat is defeated.

But I don't think that those are the same forests. But I do believe that they all stand for the same symbolism: natural life and its well being or death (the Citadel helps that symbolism when it's all 'blossomed')

Now, then there's this idea of Synthesis...which is green...like a forest. How does that add up to the symbolism of life? Just that it spreads ALL the life out in the galaxy and makes everyone, Organics and Synthetics alive and natural? Weren't organics already organic and natural? So why do they need the green in their eyes?

TL;DR: dat green everywhere.

[demersel]

how can you tell that it is alive and well? It is winter. the trees are naked and coverd with snow and ice

[Norlond]

Good afternoon everyone

MaximizedAction wrote...
(the Citadel helps that symbolism when it's all 'blossomed')

That part always bothered me

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The Citadel arms are opened with a 180° angle and it's rotating to imitate gravity on the arms when in "normal mode"... Doesn't that mean that EVERYONE on the Citadel should be dead when this happens, even before the explosion?

[Rosewind]

demersel wrote...

Hello everyone. Am i the only one, who thinks that Stargezer's forest is the same forest that Shepard sees in the dreams?

Yes, the dream forest is meant to be a london park.

Modifié par Rosewind, 06 janvier 2013 - 01:28 .

[demersel]

Norlond wrote...

Good afternoon everyone

MaximizedAction wrote...
(the Citadel helps that symbolism when it's all 'blossomed')

That part always bothered me

300x273http://fireden.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/SPACE_MAGIC.jpg[/img]

The Citadel arms are opened with a 180° angle and it's rotating to imitate gravity on the arms when in "normal mode"... Doesn't that mean that EVERYONE on the Citadel should be dead when this happens, even before the explosion?

Or they can reinact inception - and run on the walls. ))) Actually that would make some cool gameplay - fighting through the cidated wards when they open up - slow gravity shift.