demersel wrote...
X-box users who use Mac and really like the X-box puzzle me. I really doubt they can see an irony in that....
demersel wrote...
draconian139 wrote...
I'd like to ask you all a question and make an honest attempt to put IT out of your mind for this. Pretend that you're a writer and that you want the Catalyst to be taken at his word. Why would you replace this dialogue with what we got?
Cause it is even lamer? (duh)
It seems like a "normalized" version of the already present dialogue. It sounds much "better" than what we have, yes. So your point is clear to me. Instead of "fixing" the "problem" by having much more friendly and less vague dilogue, they used virtually all of the manipulation techniques they could. Remember that psychology degree? They know how to manipulate people.draconian139 wrote...
I came across something in another thread, a lot of you may have already seen this but I feel like posting it in case you haven't. Its an earlier draft of the Catalyst's dialogue.
*snip*
I'd like to ask you all a question and make an honest attempt to put IT out of your mind for this. Pretend that you're a writer and that you want the Catalyst to be taken at his word. Why would you replace this dialogue with what we got?
BansheeOwnage wrote...
Instead, they chose to have it be the leader of the reapers? Why?
BansheeOwnage wrote...
In fact, they could have had a Catalyst - a true one - as the avatar for the crucible. It would simply be an AI (or VI) that explains how you can direct the Crucible's energy. Instead, they chose to have it be the leader of the reapers? Why?
demersel wrote...
X-box users who use Mac and really like the X-box puzzle me. I really doubt they can see an irony in that....
Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 07 janvier 2013 - 01:53 .
DoomsdayDevice wrote...
That's why I'm on Xbox. Anything you can buy for it works on it, and you'll never have to upgrade.
BansheeOwnage wrote...
It seems like a "normalized" version of the already present dialogue. It sounds much "better" than what we have, yes. So your point is clear to me. Instead of "fixing" the "problem" by having much more friendly and less vague dilogue, they used virtually all of the manipulation techniques they could. Remember that psychology degree? They know how to manipulate people.
In fact, they could have had a Catalyst - a true one - as the avatar for the crucible. It would simply be an AI (or VI) that explains how you can direct the Crucible's energy. Instead, they chose to have it be the leader of the reapers? Why?
Modifié par draconian139, 07 janvier 2013 - 01:56 .
demersel wrote...
DoomsdayDevice wrote...
That's why I'm on Xbox. Anything you can buy for it works on it, and you'll never have to upgrade.
Well, let's return to that conversation in six months. ))
Exactly. And Dem, he is the leader of the reapers, but my point was he didn't need to be. He could have simply been a VI from the Crucible.Hrothdane wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
In fact, they could have had a Catalyst - a true one - as the avatar for the crucible. It would simply be an AI (or VI) that explains how you can direct the Crucible's energy. Instead, they chose to have it be the leader of the reapers? Why?
A good point, especially since Starbrat wasn't even in the original script. In fact, were we even supposed to meet the Reaper's "leader" in the original script?
Also, if the Catalyst hadn't been in control of the Reapers, the backlash against the ending would have been mitigated immensely.
One reason I can think of them going this route is to play up the parallels with the Architect scene in The Matrix, but that leads to other questions.
Interesting fact: According to the leaked script, the snow in the dreams is not snow. It's ashes. From people or things, I know not, however.MaximizedAction wrote...
demersel wrote...
how can you tell that it is alive and well? It is winter. the trees are naked and coverd with snow and ice
Oh right, I forgot. Hm, how about: the winter looks very romantic and bloomy and not at all life threatening, cold and dead in the way a winter is.
I never knew there was snow in the dreams:unsure:... If it was snow, that could have a connection to the planet that the SR1 crashed on and Shepard was effectively dead (but mind intact).BansheeOwnage wrote...
Interesting fact: According to the leaked script, the snow in the dreams is not snow. It's ashes. From people or things, I know not, however.MaximizedAction wrote...
demersel wrote...
how can you tell that it is alive and well? It is winter. the trees are naked and coverd with snow and ice
Oh right, I forgot. Hm, how about: the winter looks very romantic and bloomy and not at all life threatening, cold and dead in the way a winter is.
BansheeOwnage wrote...
Interesting fact: According to the leaked script, the snow in the dreams is not snow. It's ashes. From people or things, I know not, however.MaximizedAction wrote...
demersel wrote...
how can you tell that it is alive and well? It is winter. the trees are naked and coverd with snow and ice
Oh right, I forgot. Hm, how about: the winter looks very romantic and bloomy and not at all life threatening, cold and dead in the way a winter is.
Good point.401 Kill wrote...
I never knew there was snow in the dreams:unsure:... If it was snow, that could have a connection to the planet that the SR1 crashed on and Shepard was effectively dead (but mind intact).BansheeOwnage wrote...
Interesting fact: According to the leaked script, the snow in the dreams is not snow. It's ashes. From people or things, I know not, however.MaximizedAction wrote...
demersel wrote...
how can you tell that it is alive and well? It is winter. the trees are naked and coverd with snow and ice
Oh right, I forgot. Hm, how about: the winter looks very romantic and bloomy and not at all life threatening, cold and dead in the way a winter is.
BansheeOwnage wrote...
@Andro It's only stated in the script, yes. But I also have the impression it is people because, well, the kid turns to ash too. I wish they kept that part!
ZerebusPrime wrote...
I recently had the pleasure of watching Mass Effect: Paragon Lost. I do not know how canonical the events depicted in that movie are (towing away Sovereign intact, for instance), but I did notice that they used a sequence with the classic "serve us" Reaper horn with a Reaper "english voiceover." I do not know if that was intended as a translation or if the voiceover has no connection whatsoever to the Reaper sounds in general. Anyway, would "Submit" add any new meaning to the beam run sequence? :-D
As a side note, if Vega had shown half the character growth in the game as he did in that movie, people would probably treat him better. A cameo from Treeya to explain a fraction of what Vega had been through would have worked.
The serve us line is probably nothing. It's convenient though, I admit.Kabraxal wrote...
ZerebusPrime wrote...
I recently had the pleasure of watching Mass Effect: Paragon Lost. I do not know how canonical the events depicted in that movie are (towing away Sovereign intact, for instance), but I did notice that they used a sequence with the classic "serve us" Reaper horn with a Reaper "english voiceover." I do not know if that was intended as a translation or if the voiceover has no connection whatsoever to the Reaper sounds in general. Anyway, would "Submit" add any new meaning to the beam run sequence? :-D
As a side note, if Vega had shown half the character growth in the game as he did in that movie, people would probably treat him better. A cameo from Treeya to explain a fraction of what Vega had been through would have worked.
That's in Paragon Lost? Cause I noticed that in my last run I just finished... it sounded like Harbinger said "serve us" before blasting Shepard and having the bright white light fade into the end game run that could be indoctrination... but I just chalked it up to wanting to hear something there
Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 07 janvier 2013 - 03:07 .
BansheeOwnage wrote...
I'm sitting in London right now staring at rubble.
The legend of Shepard needs to be rewritten. I hope I'm there for the last chapter.
BansheeOwnage wrote...
I'm sitting in London right now staring at rubble.
The legend of Shepard needs to be rewritten. I hope I'm there for the last chapter.
Just posted a couple of quotes I just heard/read ingame. They're kind of funny now. Anderson staring at rubble in London. Kai Leng referring to Shepard's "legend" in the same way as that datapad and the Stargazer.Kabraxal wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
I'm sitting in London right now staring at rubble.
The legend of Shepard needs to be rewritten. I hope I'm there for the last chapter.
Wha?
Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 07 janvier 2013 - 03:22 .
BansheeOwnage wrote...
Just posted a couple of quotes I just heard/read ingame. They're kind of funny now. Anderson staring at rubble in London. Kai Leng referring to Shepard's "legend" in the same way as that datapad and the Stargazer.Kabraxal wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
I'm sitting in London right now staring at rubble.
The legend of Shepard needs to be rewritten. I hope I'm there for the last chapter.
Wha?
On another note: Sadface. I don't technically have Javik in my PC playthrough, but I used gibbed to have him. He appears normally except he never appears in Port Cargo. Unfortunately, that means I can't resolve the fight he has with Liara
You didn't get Javik? You're going to jail now!BansheeOwnage wrote...
Just posted a couple of quotes I just heard/read ingame. They're kind of funny now. Anderson staring at rubble in London. Kai Leng referring to Shepard's "legend" in the same way as that datapad and the Stargazer.Kabraxal wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote..
I'm sitting in London right now staring at rubble.
The legend of Shepard needs to be rewritten. I hope I'm there for the last chapter.
Wha?
On another note: Sadface. I don't technically have Javik in my PC playthrough, but I used gibbed to have him. He appears normally except he never appears in Port Cargo. Unfortunately, that means I can't resolve the fight he has with Liara
Edit: Sorry if I got anyone's hopes up unnecessarily.
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