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[Fingertrip]

Heh, I remember reading a post- but I can't remember from where. Anyways, it was a line from Paragon Lost, and it completely slipped my mind until this post refreshed my mind and I rechecked.

It was during, iirc during the ending bit of the movie, when one of the Collectors gets "Assuming Control" mode, and says "Serve us!" I remember there was quite alot of speculations surrounding on what Harbinger said during the Beam hitting Shepard, and "Serve us" was one of the more popular line, iirc. Not sure if that's just a nice added touch, but I feel the convience that both lines are used, or well- interpretated in ME3 is kinda thoughtful.

Not sure if fanservice, or just making ME fans **** in their pants over what might be to come.

[BansheeOwnage]

Just wanted to point out that when Traynor tracks Kai Leng through the relays to Horizon, the holo of the route is 100% accurate. Yet, when the relays explode in the end, they're off!

All the evidence ever points to at least good writing and paying attention with the exception of the ending. Does that really make sense? How could they forget it all there? And where does it start? As far as I can tell, it's the Viper Nebula - Arrival! Where Shepard's indoctrination started! Even without that, it's clear it didn't start in the Local Cluster.

[BansheeOwnage]

Fingertrip wrote...

Heh, I remember reading a post- but I can't remember from where. Anyways, it was a line from Paragon Lost, and it completely slipped my mind until this post refreshed my mind and I rechecked.

It was during, iirc during the ending bit of the movie, when one of the Collectors gets "Assuming Control" mode, and says "Serve us!" I remember there was quite alot of speculations surrounding on what Harbinger said during the Beam hitting Shepard, and "Serve us" was one of the more popular line, iirc. Not sure if that's just a nice added touch, but I feel the convience that both lines are used, or well- interpretated in ME3 is kinda thoughtful.

Not sure if fanservice, or just making ME fans **** in their pants over what might be to come.

Good point!

[BansheeOwnage]

401 Kill wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
On another note: Sadface. I don't technically have Javik in my PC playthrough, but I used gibbed to have him. He appears normally except he never appears in Port Cargo. Unfortunately, that means I can't resolve the fight he has with Liara
Edit: Sorry if I got anyone's hopes up unnecessarily.

You didn't get Javik? You're going to jail now! 

I have Javik on 360! I didn't feel like paying for him twice...
 

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 07 janvier 2013 - 03:34 .

[Andromidius]

BansheeOwnage wrote...
All the evidence ever points to at least good writing and paying attention with the exception of the ending. Does that really make sense? How could they forget it all there? And where does it start? As far as I can tell, it's the Viper Nebula - Arrival! Where Shepard's indoctrination started! Even without that, it's clear it didn't start in the Local Cluster.

Yep.  Of course people will say 'BAD WRITING' since the start - which makes me wonder what version of the game they were playing, and if they hate it so much why they stick around these forums - but its very easy to make a blanket statement like that.

Hell, the relay explosions don't even hit Charon until the 4th or 5th bounce!  Its not an oversight in the slightest, its extremely deliberate.  I'm suprised no-one has called Bioware out on this subject, and keep asking stupid questions like "where is Shepard in the breath scene?"  We know where Shep is, we want answers to the Alpha Relay's second explosion!

[CoolioThane]

Andromidus, they stick around because "they have every right to do so"

which doesn't actually answer the question

[Andromidius]

Yarp. I have every right to stick my extremities in the toaster while watching Twilight all day long.

I choose not to, because it wouldn't please me. Not in the slightest.

[BansheeOwnage]

Andromidius wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
All the evidence ever points to at least good writing and paying attention with the exception of the ending. Does that really make sense? How could they forget it all there? And where does it start? As far as I can tell, it's the Viper Nebula - Arrival! Where Shepard's indoctrination started! Even without that, it's clear it didn't start in the Local Cluster.

Yep.  Of course people will say 'BAD WRITING' since the start - which makes me wonder what version of the game they were playing, and if they hate it so much why they stick around these forums - but its very easy to make a blanket statement like that.

Hell, the relay explosions don't even hit Charon until the 4th or 5th bounce!  Its not an oversight in the slightest, its extremely deliberate.  I'm suprised no-one has called Bioware out on this subject, and keep asking stupid questions like "where is Shepard in the breath scene?"  We know where Shep is, we want answers to the Alpha Relay's second explosion!

Exactly! I forgot to mention that it doesn't even hit the Sol system on the second bounce. And yeah, the Alpha relay is gone already. The other thing I forgot to mention, was this was not changed in the Extended Cut! It's a 5 second pre-rendered cutscene with no external bearing. Why not "fix" this?

Right. Because there is nothing to fix.

Here's a pic for reference.

Note: Although not shown here, the Alpha relay can be used to reach 16 other relays. *cough* Like the closish one to the left. *cough*

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 07 janvier 2013 - 03:43 .

[401 Kill]

Just like the teleporting squadmate "fix". Not only did they not fix it, it was made more difficult to believe. You mean to tell me that Joker was in space fighting, only to zoom down to Earth in 5 seconds to pick up two people? You mean to tell me that Harbinger visably stares at the Normandy for a long time without blowing it out of the sky?

You can forget all that though, because your squadmates wouldn't leave Shepard in the first place. "Wherever you go, I'm with you." They would fight untill their heads are blown off and their hearts cut out. No way they leave right at the beam.

Seriously? Javik is going to leave? Seriously? EDI is going to leave when she is in no danger because she is not housed in the body but on the Normandy?

[masster blaster]

I finished Arrival. Have to say Shepard is freaked out when he sees object Rio not covered up. Also not that when Harbinger is talking to Shepard, his name is not Harbinger, but Object Rio.

So just because the Catalyst is called catalyst, doesn't mean that's not it's real name. Also the logs in arrival talk about nightmers constantly. In the end all logs sound exactly like Shepard's dreams.

Oh and since in the ec Bioware is still showing the viper system getting hit, then I am 110h sure it is intentional that they showed the viper system.


I mean come on look at what happened in Arrival.

Relays can get blown up, and what happens when they do, they have a super nova explosion.
Object Rio can cause Indoctrination to start/ can show Shepard visions of their arrival. Or if you failed, then you are shown a horrible future that you could have saved.

[BansheeOwnage]

401 Kill wrote...

Just like the teleporting squadmate "fix". Not only did they not fix it, it was made more difficult to believe. You mean to tell me that Joker was in space fighting, only to zoom down to Earth in 5 seconds to pick up two people? You mean to tell me that Harbinger visably stares at the Normandy for a long time without blowing it out of the sky?

You can forget all that though, because your squadmates wouldn't leave Shepard in the first place. "Wherever you go, I'm with you." They would fight untill their heads are blown off and their hearts cut out. No way they leave right at the beam.

Seriously? Javik is going to leave? Seriously? EDI is going to leave when she is in no danger because she is not housed in the body but on the Normandy?

Hahahaha I know. It's literally laughable. But in addition to that, none of that even matters because on top of it, you have your other squadmates that aren't on the beam run that are also picked up, and also leave Shepard and everyone else behind. Wtf?

[Andromidius]

401 Kill wrote...

Just like the teleporting squadmate "fix". Not only did they not fix it, it was made more difficult to believe. You mean to tell me that Joker was in space fighting, only to zoom down to Earth in 5 seconds to pick up two people? You mean to tell me that Harbinger visably stares at the Normandy for a long time without blowing it out of the sky?

Not to mention we have to believe:

1/ The 'Crucible Wave' moves faster then even a ship making a Relay jump.
2/ The wave also now magically doesn't damage ships as badly (when it clearly showed the Normandy taking HUGE damage pre-EC).
3/ The Normandy jumps somewhere completely alone, with appearently no other ships nearby - despite the entire fleet retreating.  Did they retreat to random locations?
4/ The Normandy has structural repair equipment, complete with scaffolding, all stored on board?
5/ The LI somehow knows Shepard might be alive based on the choice picked and the EMS, despite knowing neither?
6/ Everyone is happy enough being Synthesised (potentially), even Javik?
7/ The fleeting being ABLE to retreat.  Remember Hacket sacrificing an entire fleet to allow the rest to escape the initial assault on Earth and Arcturus, or how well the retreat from the Geth worked out for the Quarian Civilian Fleet?  So the Reapers now are willing to allow a fleet that's been fulled engaged for HOURS, and has been chewed to pieces during this time, without a huge rearguard action?  Not to mention abandoning the entire ground force in the meanwhile?  This to me is the biggest glaring flaw with taking it literally - the sheer tactical implausiblity, and the assuming the Reapers are going to allow them to retreat without taking ridiculous losses!

Edit:  Oh yeah, and:

8/ The rest of the team still being left behind.  They were all at the Forward Command Post, and assumingly are all taking part in the assault elsewhere.  They get left behind?  As do all the other wounded that are undoubtably littering London?  Wow, dick move there Joker!

Modifié par Andromidius, 07 janvier 2013 - 04:04 .

[masster blaster]

Also I noticed in Arrival that Kenson is very true to the Reapers all because of what they pormised her, and showed her. Sounds just like what the brat does at the end.

Also I was talking to Legion after the SM, and something hit me. Legion was talking about how Nazara pormissed the other Geth they can have a future, yet we learned from Saren that Nazara was going to kill the Geth once the invasion was over.

[BansheeOwnage]

masster blaster wrote...

I finished Arrival. Have to say Shepard is freaked out when he sees object Rio not covered up. Also not that when Harbinger is talking to Shepard, his name is not Harbinger, but Object Rio.

So just because the Catalyst is called catalyst, doesn't mean that's not it's real name. Also the logs in arrival talk about nightmers constantly. In the end all logs sound exactly like Shepard's dreams.

Like how Legion was called "Geth" before being named. Regardless, I always thought it was interesting that the only reason we call the Child "Catalyst" is because he says he is. The leader of the reapers told you. The subtitles also say "Child" and not "Catalyst". This was also not "fixed" in the EC.

Object Rio huh?

[Andromidius]

BansheeOwnage wrote...Regardless, I always thought it was interesting that the only reason we call the Child "Catalyst" is because he says he is. The leader of the reapers told you. The subtitles also say "Child" and not "Catalyst". This was also not "fixed" in the EC.

Yarp.

Deception is something Shepard is used to.  Garneau was a fake, after all.  And briefly someone pretended to be Fade in ME2.

We only have its word to go by.  And we know the Reapers are deceptive.  They tried to hide their very existance, and went to great pains to make it nearly impossible to even find out about the Protheans, and impossible to know what happened before!  We should we start believing them now?

[BansheeOwnage]

Andromidius wrote...
7/ The fleeting being ABLE to retreat.  Remember Hacket sacrificing an entire fleet to allow the rest to escape the initial assault on Earth and Arcturus, or how well the retreat from the Geth worked out for the Quarian Civilian Fleet?  So the Reapers now are willing to allow a fleet that's been fulled engaged for HOURS, and has been chewed to pieces during this time, without a huge rearguard action?  Not to mention abandoning the entire ground force in the meanwhile?  This to me is the biggest glaring flaw with taking it literally - the sheer tactical implausiblity, and the assuming the Reapers are going to allow them to retreat without taking ridiculous losses!

I never thought of that but good point! Why didn't the reapers also retreat? Why do they never engage anyone in space when you are activating the Crucible destpite doing so on the ground? Why can't the kid call a ceasefire while Shepard decides, since apparently even destroy is a "solution"? So many questions. Repost my wall of text? And yes, I saw your point #8.

[401 Kill]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I finished Arrival. Have to say Shepard is freaked out when he sees object Rio not covered up. Also not that when Harbinger is talking to Shepard, his name is not Harbinger, but Object Rio.

So just because the Catalyst is called catalyst, doesn't mean that's not it's real name. Also the logs in arrival talk about nightmers constantly. In the end all logs sound exactly like Shepard's dreams.

Like how Legion was called "Geth" before being named. Regardless, I always thought it was interesting that the only reason we call the Child "Catalyst" is because he says he is. The leader of the reapers told you. The subtitles also say "Child" and not "Catalyst". This was also not "fixed" in the EC.

Object Rio huh?

Oh yeah, that is interesting. Perhaps that is not the Catalyst eh??;)

I'd like to see object Rio, maybe it can be a Prothean device for use against the Reapers.

[BansheeOwnage]

Andromidius wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...Regardless, I always thought it was interesting that the only reason we call the Child "Catalyst" is because he says he is. The leader of the reapers told you. The subtitles also say "Child" and not "Catalyst". This was also not "fixed" in the EC.

Yarp.

Deception is something Shepard is used to.  Garneau was a fake, after all.  And briefly someone pretended to be Fade in ME2.

We only have its word to go by.  And we know the Reapers are deceptive.  They tried to hide their very existance, and went to great pains to make it nearly impossible to even find out about the Protheans, and impossible to know what happened before!  We should we start believing them now?

Good freaking question. Speaking of deception, didn't the kid say the reapers first noted the Crucible "several cycles ago"?

[BansheeOwnage]

401 Kill wrote...

Oh yeah, that is interesting. Perhaps that is not the Catalyst eh??;)

I'd like to see object Rio, maybe it can be a Prothean device for use against the Reapers.

Repost my Rio Analysis? The Rio facility is the only place in MP we haven't been to in SP, and it looks very similar to Mars, where we found, you know, the plans for the Crucible.

Why would Bioware not use their existing assets? Collectors, Firebase Rio? And where was that Collector Black Ark heading in the Retaliation trailer? Not just Earth, but freaking London. The pieces come together...

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 07 janvier 2013 - 04:15 .

[Andromidius]

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Good freaking question. Speaking of deception, didn't the kid say the reapers first noted the Crucible "several cycles ago"?

He also said he thought it had been wiped out Cycles ago, and they thought it was gone.

You know, ignoring that the Protheans - the cycle beforehand - had completed the Crucible.  And ignoring that the Reapers knew everything about them, and had them completely infilitrated, and that the Crucible project had been sabotaged by indoctrinated agents.

That lying little ****.  He was responsible for ruining it the time before, and now claims ignorance?

[401 Kill]

Andromidius wrote...

That lying little ****. 

I'm beginning to understand why they have not released the name of the VA for the child.

[draconian139]

Andromidius wrote...

3/ The Normandy jumps somewhere completely alone, with appearently no other ships nearby - despite the entire fleet retreating.  Did they retreat to random locations?

Hackett:"All fleets!  The crucible is armed.  Disengage and head to the rendezvous point." 

[CoolioThane]

Oh yeah, imagine the abuse the kid would get. Makes me think they knew there was going to be a ****storm so withheld the name

[HiddenInWar]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Just wanted to point out that when Traynor tracks Kai Leng through the relays to Horizon, the holo of the route is 100% accurate. Yet, when the relays explode in the end, they're off!

All the evidence ever points to at least good writing and paying attention with the exception of the ending. Does that really make sense? How could they forget it all there? And where does it start? As far as I can tell, it's the Viper Nebula - Arrival! Where Shepard's indoctrination started! Even without that, it's clear it didn't start in the Local Cluster.

Whenever I see this part of the ending...I look at the galaxy and am reminded of how small we all are...

[BansheeOwnage]

Andromidius wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Good freaking question. Speaking of deception, didn't the kid say the reapers first noted the Crucible "several cycles ago"?

He also said he thought it had been wiped out Cycles ago, and they thought it was gone.

You know, ignoring that the Protheans - the cycle beforehand - had completed the Crucible.  And ignoring that the Reapers knew everything about them, and had them completely infilitrated, and that the Crucible project had been sabotaged by indoctrinated agents.

That lying little ****.  He was responsible for ruining it the time before, and now claims ignorance?

Yeah, not only that, but the point I was going to make was I just played Thessia, and Vendetta says:

"The Crucible is not of prothean design. It is the work of countless galactic cycles stretching back millions of years. Each cycle adds to it, each improves upon it."

Oh, and remember all the other stuff we thought was prothean?

Shepard: The reapers built the relays. It's all part of the same trap."

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 07 janvier 2013 - 04:25 .