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[BansheeOwnage]

draconian139 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

3/ The Normandy jumps somewhere completely alone, with appearently no other ships nearby - despite the entire fleet retreating.  Did they retreat to random locations?

Hackett:"All fleets!  The crucible is armed.  Disengage and head to the rendezvous point." 

Exactly his point. Why was the Normandy alone?

[Andromidius]

draconian139 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

3/ The Normandy jumps somewhere completely alone, with appearently no other ships nearby - despite the entire fleet retreating.  Did they retreat to random locations?

Hackett:"All fleets!  The crucible is armed.  Disengage and head to the rendezvous point." 

Yep.  There should be other ships there.  Makes sense that the Fleet would jump to the next Relay, and the Normandy clearly is in a system near a Relay.  So why are they on an unexplored planet?

...not sure that can be answered in a literal sense.

And I understand why they don't give the Star****'s VA's name.  I'm fine with that, its not the actor's fault.  He's a kid (we assume!), so he doesn't need public attention regardless.

[BansheeOwnage]

HiddenInWar wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Just wanted to point out that when Traynor tracks Kai Leng through the relays to Horizon, the holo of the route is 100% accurate. Yet, when the relays explode in the end, they're off!

All the evidence ever points to at least good writing and paying attention with the exception of the ending. Does that really make sense? How could they forget it all there? And where does it start? As far as I can tell, it's the Viper Nebula - Arrival! Where Shepard's indoctrination started! Even without that, it's clear it didn't start in the Local Cluster.

Whenever I see this part of the ending...I look at the galaxy and am reminded of how small we all are...

I know... I know. It would be easy for a single ship to get lost up there.

[draconian139]

Agreed, was just reinforcing the point.

[Kabraxal]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Good freaking question. Speaking of deception, didn't the kid say the reapers first noted the Crucible "several cycles ago"?

He also said he thought it had been wiped out Cycles ago, and they thought it was gone.

You know, ignoring that the Protheans - the cycle beforehand - had completed the Crucible.  And ignoring that the Reapers knew everything about them, and had them completely infilitrated, and that the Crucible project had been sabotaged by indoctrinated agents.

That lying little ****.  He was responsible for ruining it the time before, and now claims ignorance?

Yeah, not only that, but the point I was going to make was I just played Thessia, and Vendetta says:

"The Crucible is not of prothean design. It is the work of countless galactic cycles stretching back millions of years. Each cycle adds to it, each improves upon it."

Oh, and remember all the other stuff we thought was prothean?

Shepard: The reapers built the relays. It's all part of the same trap."

It's the only thing that makes sense... it magically appears when the cycle actually poses a real threat.  It's too easy to build and improve.  And despite both the Reapers and Cerberus appearing every place Shepard goes or interferes in everything Shepard does... they suddenly have no clue about the Crucible to let it be built in complete peace?  

Then the fact it docks with no problems and sits docked for quite some time while you hash it out with the kid.... it has to be a bloody trap.   Otherwise that is really really sloppy writing.

[masster blaster]

Sorry Banshee Rho. Was thinking about Rio because we talked about Rio so many times. Also when Ever I now hear Synthesis in my chemistry class I mutter " If only they knew ". Also my parents were talking to me about you must start to take control of your futre, and I said " Oh so you want me to pick control" they were like " What?"

[Andromidius]

I find our smallness comforting. I like the idea that we're small and insignicant to everything outside our current reach. I'm happy that we could be snuffed out, and the Universe would continue to roll on just fine.

Because the sheer size of the Universe means there must be millions of civilisations out there, somewhere, somewhen (time and space are strange things), getting along just fine by themselves.

I love the idea that we'll never know everything, or even see everything. There will always be more to learn and discover, and more places to dream about.

Its strange, I know. But knowing we're just one tiny spot of blue in a huge Universe (maybe even Multiverse) makes me feel good.

And don't get me wrong, we're important too. We just aren't the only things they are important.

[Kabraxal]

You know... it's also quite interesting that the kid only reacts badly when you refuse. You can choose destroy and he just willing watches you walk up, shoot a cylinder that will literally blow up in your face, and "fade" away quietly. However, you dare say "This is fishy... I don't believe you! I will fight!" and not choose any of the three options HE GIVES YOU... he gets angry.

That should really throw up alarm bells for everyone. Why would refuse be the only ending the brat gets pissed about?

[draconian139]

I really dislike talking about refuse because its a divisive topic in the thread.

[masster blaster]

Oh and funny thing.
The old shadow broker did not want to help the Reapers, yet he was willing to help the Collectors, which he knew they were onces Prothean, yet have no idea the head leader was Harbinger.

Man look how easy it was to fool the Shadow Broker. Just like the brat is fooling you at the end.

[Andromidius]

Kabraxal wrote...
it has to be a bloody trap.   Otherwise that is really really sloppy writing.

Yarp, totally.  Its a brilliant trap too. 

Its akin to convincing your enemy to build a giant bomb in their own capital city, then setting it off the moment its finished. 

Only better, a hundredfold.  A thousandfold.  It drains all your enemy's resources, gets them emotionally invested in this thing's success, forces your enemy to build their plans around using it, and finally you get to make use out of it yourself and see your enemy's moral crumble before you as they realise they failed utterly and just got used like suckers.

Brilliant.

[Andromidius]

Kabraxal wrote...

That should really throw up alarm bells for everyone. Why would refuse be the only ending the brat gets pissed about?

Well, it could be that Shepard's just proven he/she is worthless to the Reapers.  All that time and effort was wasted, and they are left with the realisation he/she just need to be killed now.  They are disappointed and annoyed - so they end Shepard quickly.

Even in Destroy, with Shep resisting them and fighting back, Shep still has the drive and conviction they are seeking.  He/she are still of use to them, but they just need to find another way to obtain Shepard.

"We will find another way."

Modifié par Andromidius, 07 janvier 2013 - 04:41 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Kabraxal wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Shepard: The reapers built the relays. It's all part of the same trap."

It's the only thing that makes sense... it magically appears when the cycle actually poses a real threat.  It's too easy to build and improve.  And despite both the Reapers and Cerberus appearing every place Shepard goes or interferes in everything Shepard does... they suddenly have no clue about the Crucible to let it be built in complete peace?  

Then the fact it docks with no problems and sits docked for quite some time while you hash it out with the kid.... it has to be a bloody trap.   Otherwise that is really really sloppy writing.

Agreed. And the way Hackett and Anderson were talking about it made me think so too.

Once decoded the design is surprisingly easy to use. It's not prothean-specific. (Paraphrased)

Easy to use without understanding it? Bloody screams reaper-tech to me.

[401 Kill]

masster blaster wrote...
Also when Ever I now hear Synthesis in my chemistry class I mutter " If only they knew ".

I tried to tell them. I tried to tell them all. They said I was wrong, they said I was crazy.

But I was right! They were wrong. Now I am the only one left, the others were... Synthesized.

If there are others like me left, they are far far away.

I chose to Destroy the Reapers, and I am still here. I am still myself.

[draconian139]

Andromidius wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

That should really throw up alarm bells for everyone. Why would refuse be the only ending the brat gets pissed about?

Well, it could be that Shepard's just proven he/she is worthless to the Reapers.  All that time and effort was wasted, and they are left with the realisation he/she just need to be killed now.  They are disappointed and annoyed - so they end Shepard quickly.

I'm sure that you know my feelings about refuse, it might surprise you that I see it resulting in exactly what you just said though.  In my headcanon they're ticked because he's worthless to them but only because he's proven to be literally impossible to indoctrinate, so they immediately kill him.

Modifié par draconian139, 07 janvier 2013 - 04:46 .

[BansheeOwnage]

[401 Kill]

Andromidius wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...
it has to be a bloody trap.   Otherwise that is really really sloppy writing.

Yarp, totally.  Its a brilliant trap too. 

Its akin to convincing your enemy to build a giant bomb in their own capital city, then setting it off the moment its finished. 

Only better, a hundredfold.  A thousandfold.  It drains all your enemy's resources, gets them emotionally invested in this thing's success, forces your enemy to build their plans around using it, and finally you get to make use out of it yourself and see your enemy's moral crumble before you as they realise they failed utterly and just got used like suckers.
Brilliant.

And they get Shepard handed to them on a platter ready for the main conscienceness of the next Reaper. 

[CoolioThane]

There has to be post-ending DLC

[BansheeOwnage]

CoolioThane wrote...

There has to be post-ending DLC

Yeah. That Mega DLC coming up - what else could it be?

[masster blaster]

Uh. I just rememberd that Destroy ending is beating Indoctrination because the two soldiers are standing their ground, where as Control, and Synthesis they are loosing.

[masster blaster]

Hey is Chris off his vacation yet, and why is it that we have no clue to what the next dlc is? I mean it 50% chance it's the citadel dlc, but what about the other?

[401 Kill]

Okay, I'm off for the night. May the Quarians protect us all.

[PsiMatrix]

Kabraxal wrote...

You know... it's also quite interesting that the kid only reacts badly when you refuse. You can choose destroy and he just willing watches you walk up, shoot a cylinder that will literally blow up in your face, and "fade" away quietly. However, you dare say "This is fishy... I don't believe you! I will fight!" and not choose any of the three options HE GIVES YOU... he gets angry.

That should really throw up alarm bells for everyone. Why would refuse be the only ending the brat gets pissed about?

He also gets angry if Destroy is your only option. His dialogue changes a lot to reflect it too. It starts with 'Why are you here?' instead of 'Wake up'

masster blaster wrote...

Hey is Chris off his vacation
yet, and why is it that we have no clue to what the next dlc is? I mean
it 50% chance it's the citadel dlc, but what about the other?

Well given how the process works; the VAs may be for the next-next one so the next-one could more likely be the Citadel DLC.

Modifié par PsiMatrix, 07 janvier 2013 - 05:07 .

[masster blaster]

Night 401.

Maker helps us all.

[BansheeOwnage]

masster blaster wrote...

Uh. I just rememberd that Destroy ending is beating Indoctrination because the two soldiers are standing their ground, where as Control, and Synthesis they are loosing.

Exactly. I forgot about that.  No possible literal explanation!

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 07 janvier 2013 - 05:10 .