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There has to be post-ending DLC

Yeah. That Mega DLC coming up - what else could it be?

How about a DLC that improved already existing content?  Like adding in romance content, or fixing Priority Earth.  I'd live an IT confirmation, but I don't see it happening

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Also I like to say that for some reason Paragon Shepard if you did Arrival/ imported him, or her into ME3. Had no problem that the Batarians died. Just like he/she was at the end of Arrival. Shepard tells Hackett he/she had no choice. It was either stop the Reapers at all cost, or they all die.

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masster blaster wrote...

Oh and funny thing.
The old shadow broker did not want to help the Reapers, yet he was willing to help the Collectors, which he knew they were onces Prothean, yet have no idea the head leader was Harbinger.

Man look how easy it was to fool the Shadow Broker. Just like the brat is fooling you at the end.

The Shadow Broker may have been trying to prove himself useful like Saren.  Or working with them to the them down later

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Me either but I'm equally skeptical about them fixing Priority Earth. Romance content would be a huge downer for me though I understand that it wouldn't be for most. If there's more content with them that isn't dependent on them being LIs it'd be nice though.

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Steelcan wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

There has to be post-ending DLC

Yeah. That Mega DLC coming up - what else could it be?

How about a DLC that improved already existing content?  Like adding in romance content, or fixing Priority Earth.  I'd live an IT confirmation, but I don't see it happening

And some ME2 squadmates. Oh ElSuperGecko made an awesome way Harbinger boss fight could be an entire mission.

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draconian139 wrote...

Me either but I'm equally skeptical about them fixing Priority Earth. Romance content would be a huge downer for me though I understand that it wouldn't be for most. If there's more content with them that isn't dependent on them being LIs it'd be nice though.

Well some characters, ie Miranda, Jack, Thane, Jacob their romances were barely even touched on.

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Fur28 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

There has to be post-ending DLC

Yeah. That Mega DLC coming up - what else could it be?

How about a DLC that improved already existing content?  Like adding in romance content, or fixing Priority Earth.  I'd live an IT confirmation, but I don't see it happening

And some ME2 squadmates. Oh ElSuperGecko made an awesome way Harbinger boss fight could be an entire mission.

. Can you post a link to the page?

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Steelcan wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

There has to be post-ending DLC

Yeah. That Mega DLC coming up - what else could it be?

How about a DLC that improved already existing content?  Like adding in romance content, or fixing Priority Earth.  I'd live an IT confirmation, but I don't see it happening

Well, I don't want to get my hopes up, but I'm having a hard time thinking of alternatives. Regardless, I doubt the Megal DLC will be the next one. But I doubt it being an Earth revamp or a romance DLC because it would undermine their "vision" IT or no IT. I just can't see them improving existing content. Fortunately, IT does has both of those ideas!

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masster blaster wrote...

Also I like to say that for some reason Paragon Shepard if you did Arrival/ imported him, or her into ME3. Had no problem that the Batarians died. Just like he/she was at the end of Arrival. Shepard tells Hackett he/she had no choice. It was either stop the Reapers at all cost, or they all die.


This is the thing that bothers me the most about Arrival.  If the crucible is a trap, which I believe it is, the events of Arrival don't really accomplish much if anything.  The six months were simply wasted and I didn't get the impression that the Alliance is any more prepared than if Shepard had never blown up the relay.

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how would you want priority Earth fixed

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Uh. I just rememberd that Destroy ending is beating Indoctrination because the two soldiers are standing their ground, where as Control, and Synthesis they are loosing.

Are you sure about that? What if it's just using the full potential of the crucible instead?

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ElSuperGecko  posted this on a poll i made

I voted other, because Harbinger is such a large enemy and potent threat, that it shouldn't be a "boss battle", but a series of interlinked missions in and of itself. Almost like the Suici9de Mission/Collector Base assault in ME2.

I could see it playing out along these lines:

Use Normandy to fly in close to Harbinger's hull, then shuttle down and land on the actual hull itself (think magboots on the Citadel tower in ME1).

Fight your way across Harbinger's hull, battling Collectors as you go until you reach an access point (Shadow Broker base in ME2)

Board Harbinger, and work your way to his central core while fighting off waves of Collectors and assigning squadmates to complete certain tasks (Suicide Mission, ME2). As you progress, you encounter dialogues with Harbinger which lead to indoctrination effects/hallucinations (think, Scarecrow Arkham Asylum/Eternal Darkness)

On reaching the core, you need to prime a series of dark matter charges while defending yourself from Collectors and Harbinger's core itself. As you prime the charges, Harbinger assumes control of your squadmates, and you fight them as well. Once the charges are primed and the core temporarily shut down, you can choose to use lethal force (less difficult), non-lethal force (more difficult) or talk them down (subject to relationship, influence and persuasion levels).

Then you have a free-running style escape sequence, as you race the clock and waves of enemies to the extraction point before the charges blow.

Throw in a few tough decisions, like having to make a choice between saving a squadmate and protectingt one of the charges, or having to leave someone behind to guard them (think Virmire), or potentially even staying behind yourself so your squadmates manage to escape, and you're golden.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

There has to be post-ending DLC

Yeah. That Mega DLC coming up - what else could it be?

How about a DLC that improved already existing content?  Like adding in romance content, or fixing Priority Earth.  I'd live an IT confirmation, but I don't see it happening

Well, I don't want to get my hopes up, but I'm having a hard time thinking of alternatives. Regardless, I doubt the Megal DLC will be the next one. But I doubt it being an Earth revamp or a romance DLC because it would undermine their "vision" IT or no IT. I just can't see them improving existing content. Fortunately, IT does has both of those ideas!

To be perfectly honest I'm expecting another generic story mission that will be "meh". Leviathan was decent and Omega was entertaining, but neither really impressed me like LotSB or Bring Down the Sky.

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Well, I don't want to get my hopes up, but I'm having a hard time thinking of alternatives. Regardless, I doubt the Megal DLC will be the next one. But I doubt it being an Earth revamp or a romance DLC because it would undermine their "vision" IT or no IT. I just can't see them improving existing content. Fortunately, IT does has both of those ideas!

maybe it could be like LotSB where taking the LIs gives more love content.

Since an expansion is 1.9gb tops, how much of content could an IT dlc have

Modifié par Fur28, 07 janvier 2013 - 05:24 .


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how would you want priority Earth fixed

1st and foremost, add in cutscenes showing war assets in action.  Got Kirrahee on Earth?  Show him fighting with an STG squad.  Killed the Rachni?  Show us Aralakh Company charging a reaper held position.  Saved the Destiny Ascension?  Show it fighting.

Also, make the level feel like it should.  The SM in ME2 felt like it was a suicide mission, there were decisions on who to do what, the soudtrack was soaring, (and their was a decent end decision) Earth felt dull.  The soundtrack was "meh", the enemies weren't challenging, just repetitive.

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Steelcan wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

There has to be post-ending DLC

Yeah. That Mega DLC coming up - what else could it be?

How about a DLC that improved already existing content?  Like adding in romance content, or fixing Priority Earth.  I'd live an IT confirmation, but I don't see it happening

Well, I don't want to get my hopes up, but I'm having a hard time thinking of alternatives. Regardless, I doubt the Megal DLC will be the next one. But I doubt it being an Earth revamp or a romance DLC because it would undermine their "vision" IT or no IT. I just can't see them improving existing content. Fortunately, IT does has both of those ideas!

To be perfectly honest I'm expecting another generic story mission that will be "meh". Leviathan was decent and Omega was entertaining, but neither really impressed me like LotSB or Bring Down the Sky.

We should be asking what subplots remain from ME1 to ME3 that can be used for a DLC.

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Steelcan wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

how would you want priority Earth fixed

1st and foremost, add in cutscenes showing war assets in action.  Got Kirrahee on Earth?  Show him fighting with an STG squad.  Killed the Rachni?  Show us Aralakh Company charging a reaper held position.  Saved the Destiny Ascension?  Show it fighting.

Also, make the level feel like it should.  The SM in ME2 felt like it was a suicide mission, there were decisions on who to do what, the soudtrack was soaring, (and their was a decent end decision) Earth felt dull.  The soundtrack was "meh", the enemies weren't challenging, just repetitive.

maybe seeing some of them helping you in gameplay, like that "helicopter"(sorry) in Thessia. Dont make those voiceovers from ME2 squadmates go to waste

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We should be asking what subplots remain from ME1 to ME3 that can be used for a DLC.

Dark Energy, Parasini, Feros Colonists. Patriarch, Saving/Destroying the Collector Base (10 EMS, really?), Im sure there are others, but I'm tired and can't think right now.

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Romance DLC would be silly imo. I know people clamor for it, but look at it from this perspective: All DLC so far can be accessed and completed by every Shepard that gets the DLC. Some Shepard's don't romance anybody, or some have dead romances etc. It'd kind of leave those players out; the ones who focused on the mission without getting distracted by romance.

I can't see it working and would be disappointed if a romance DLC was released.

Post-ending makes the most sense, but a Priority: Earth redo would be the best alternative if IT isn't correct/

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In terms of one like LotSB...I just can't see it. With Liara they had the fact that she was alive for ALL Shepards working to their advantage. All of the characters that got the ME3 equivalent of the ME2 treatment of Liara pre-LotSB have at least the possibility of being dead. I mean this is true with Garrus and Tali as well but I'd question if they'd do a DLC based specifically around a character or characters that could very well already be dead.

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Steelcan wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

how would you want priority Earth fixed

1st and foremost, add in cutscenes showing war assets in action.  Got Kirrahee on Earth?  Show him fighting with an STG squad.  Killed the Rachni?  Show us Aralakh Company charging a reaper held position.  Saved the Destiny Ascension?  Show it fighting.

Also, make the level feel like it should.  The SM in ME2 felt like it was a suicide mission, there were decisions on who to do what, the soudtrack was soaring, (and their was a decent end decision) Earth felt dull.  The soundtrack was "meh", the enemies weren't challenging, just repetitive.

The soundtrack for Earth wasn't even meh, is was not there! Only one track played during gameplay! Only while defending the trucks. It's amazing the effect music has, even subconsiously. They know that too. Hmm...

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I remember when there was still a week left for ME3, i was talking with my friends who also play ME, i said that i couldn´t wait to see what they do with indoctrination.
They asked what was that. I remembered they play on PS3 ergo never played ME1. I told them the derelict reaper has some indoctrination information in it, they said they didn´t put attention to it, and didn´t know what was happening in that mission. Thay also dont read the codex
Maybe thats why they released ME1 in PS3, so people would get familiarized with indoctrination

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draconian139 wrote...

In terms of one like LotSB...I just can't see it. With Liara they had the fact that she was alive for ALL Shepards working to their advantage. All of the characters that got the ME2 treatment of Liara pre-LotSB have at least the possibility of being dead. I mean this is true with Garrus and Tali as well but I'd question if they'd do a DLC based specifically around a character or characters that could very well already be dead.

How many characters really have someone like Miranda dead?  10%?

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Fur28 wrote...

I remember when there was still a week left for ME3, i was talking with my friends who also play ME, i said that i couldn´t wait to see what they do with indoctrination.
They asked what was that. I remembered they play on PS3 ergo never played ME1. I told them the derelict reaper has some indoctrination information in it, they said they didn´t put attention to it, and didn´t know what was happening in that mission. Thay also dont read the codex
Maybe thats why they released ME1 in PS3, so people would get familiarized with indoctrination

ME1 was releases on PS3 so EA could make money


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Steelcan wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

how would you want priority Earth fixed

1st and foremost, add in cutscenes showing war assets in action.  Got Kirrahee on Earth?  Show him fighting with an STG squad.  Killed the Rachni?  Show us Aralakh Company charging a reaper held position.  Saved the Destiny Ascension?  Show it fighting.

Also, make the level feel like it should.  The SM in ME2 felt like it was a suicide mission, there were decisions on who to do what, the soudtrack was soaring, (and their was a decent end decision) Earth felt dull.  The soundtrack was "meh", the enemies weren't challenging, just repetitive.


perhaps an IT confermation followed by continued gameplay with some of the things metioned above could improve it.