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Since were calling DLC


Feros DLC. Because Shiala. And because it would be awesome to bring Javik to a Prothean city! (There are actually a lot of reasons for a Feros DLC but these are some of the most important ones!


That to, or an ilos dlc. showing the place that helped them out in ME1. And maybe find some lost pods that have protheans in them, since firebase Hive has Protheans in ME3 MP, so they aren't all dead, and there is still hope that Javik, and his people can rebuild.

Also welcome back Banshee still no Estebanus yet.

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Jason, or maybe it will happen next year. Think about it even though that guy was right about some of the stuff he told us, that doesn't mean this could happen next year.


I'm calling it, 5/10/2013 Bioware will unleash Mass Effect 3 DLC "Awakening" The fate of the galaxy rests in your hands as you face off against Harbinger. Finish the fight against the reapers as you fight through the citadel in a race against Cerberus to control the crucible. It's time to wake up and end the reaper nightmare.  $12.99 Origin.

You know, I actually had a dream the other night about DLC coming out with that name.

Anyway, the guy who leaked "Rebellion" and "Earth" said that he DID NOT leak that first screenshot from "Resurgence", nor did he leak "The Truth". He said "The Truth" is a hoax. He may have been the one who leaked the details of "Resurgence", but I'm not sure.

Check it.

EDIT: The person who leaked "The Truth" also said a Prothean Adept/Vanguard was coming with "Resurgence."

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Where is this from?

 
Here.

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JasonSic wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Jason, or maybe it will happen next year. Think about it even though that guy was right about some of the stuff he told us, that doesn't mean this could happen next year.


I'm calling it, 5/10/2013 Bioware will unleash Mass Effect 3 DLC "Awakening" The fate of the galaxy rests in your hands as you face off against Harbinger. Finish the fight against the reapers as you fight through the citadel in a race against Cerberus to control the crucible. It's time to wake up and end the reaper nightmare.  $12.99 Origin.

You know, I actually had a dream the other night about DLC coming out with that name.

Anyway, the guy who leaked "Rebellion" and "Earth" said that he DID NOT leak that first screenshot from "Resurgence", nor did he leak "The Truth". He said "The Truth" is a hoax. He may have been the one who leaked the details of "Resurgence", but I'm not sure.

Check it.


No I don't think it was the same guy, but I am going to go find the truth dlc artical, but the Charaters were so really defined,

Jason it's possible that the guy got mixed up with a double project, that had the Firebase hive, but it was just still in early develpment, and got the two things mixed up. it happence.

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Freddy um they are also called Collector swarms too, like who Cerberus troopers are nickedd named shock troopers.

If you can provide a scene where the Seeker swarms are also called Collector Swarms, then you might have a point. Otherwise, the "Collector Swarms" remain unidentified.

Hmmm, sort of confirms my suspicions that maybe Collector swarms could be Collector troops. Bioware should jump at this and add them to gameplay.

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I’m calling/hoping for a DLC set on Palaven, it’s the only homeworld of the major alien species that we haven’t been on yet and if we do get a DLC set on Palaven I’m betting that’ll it’ll tie into the Arca Monolith. I find it hard to believe that there is only one of those devices on Palaven.

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This is exactly why I think this "leaked" future dlc is not true, not this one. Playable Protheans? Yeah, right on it.
Uncovering new pods with living Protheans is not a good idea in my opinion. It lowers Javiks importance, as he is no longer the only survivor of last Cycle. Plus who in the right state of mind finds 1000 pods with species that are on the verge of extinction and sends them to war?

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This is exactly why I think this "leaked" future dlc is not true, not this one. Playable Protheans? Yeah, right on it.
Uncovering new pods with living Protheans is not a good idea in my opinion. It lowers Javiks importance, as he is no longer the only survivor of last Cycle. Plus who in the right state of mind finds 1000 pods with species that are on the verge of extinction and sends them to war?


um javik was not asked, we wanted to go to war with the Reaeprs, and so would the other protheans, but what if some are the indoctrinated agents, now that would be a semi good twist.

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This is exactly why I think this "leaked" future dlc is not true, not this one. Playable Protheans? Yeah, right on it.
Uncovering new pods with living Protheans is not a good idea in my opinion. It lowers Javiks importance, as he is no longer the only survivor of last Cycle. Plus who in the right state of mind finds 1000 pods with species that are on the verge of extinction and sends them to war?


To be fair, I doubt the protheans would need anyone to send them. If Javik is any indication, they will be "as mad as hell, and not about to take this anymore!"

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Hrothdane wrote...

XanderLav wrote...

This is exactly why I think this "leaked" future dlc is not true, not this one. Playable Protheans? Yeah, right on it.
Uncovering new pods with living Protheans is not a good idea in my opinion. It lowers Javiks importance, as he is no longer the only survivor of last Cycle. Plus who in the right state of mind finds 1000 pods with species that are on the verge of extinction and sends them to war?


To be fair, I doubt the protheans would need anyone to send them. If Javik is any indication, they will be "as mad as hell, and not about to take this anymore!"

Exactly. Who would send them? Them. The protheans would most likely want to fight for any number of reasons.
Edit: Also, if done right, it wouldn't lower Javik's importance at all. He would lead them, as he did before. He is still the Shepard of his cycle.

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Okay I was watching the Control ending on the EC, and somethings was odd about when Shepard was about to put her left hand, it looked to me like she was hesitating.
and then her arms began to glow green, like synthesis.



Look at 0:08 to 0:13 Shepard is hesitating, but after that she is not.

Now pause the video at 0:19, or 0:21 you can see Shepard's hands glowing like in Synthesis. Weird isn't it.

So nobody want's to speculate about this?

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HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE.
EDi is not shown in Destroy, but Thane is.

Edit: Sorry she is dead, but it's weird that she is not the second person in the flash forward.

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I read your post about which squadmates would pick which things. It's really good, but I have to disagree with some of them. Mostly just because I think none of them would ever pick synthesis because of its moral implications. About Legion specifically though, I think he would pick destroy for 3 reasons:
1. The Geth were willing to sacrifice themselves to defeat the reapers.
2. Legion's really big on building your own future = destroy. Control and synthesis are the reapers building it for them; exactly what he told you not to do if you save the collector base.
3. "There will be no more compromise with the old machines. Today, the Geth fight to secure our future." - Geth Prime

http://www.youtube.c...5I8BlWQJg#t=24s

Edit: If you want to reply, I'll read it when I get back. Posted Image

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 Pretty much sums up ME1 and ME2 lore....



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a side topic to this rachni argument I'd like to ask if the rachni hiding on the moon ever amounted to anything?

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prettz wrote...

a side topic to this rachni argument I'd like to ask if the rachni hiding on the moon ever amounted to anything?

Not that I know of. In retrospect, I'm thinking all those spots around the galaxy with the Rachni sounds were just easter eggs.

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Holy S***. I found a good renegade option for the Conversation with TIM, on Thessia, and Cronus station, and the Citadel.



okay this sums up everything I was trying to say about Renegade Shepard.

Okay on Thessia Tim says " They are just trying to Control US. Think about it. If they wanted all organic life Destroyed, they could do it..."
then TIM says " I know them Shepard. I know how they think."

Well of course you do your Indoctrinated. That's why you can think like they do.

Then my personal favorite Shepard: " The Reapers have it right. Your Indoctrinated.Your doing just what they want."

Then TIM says: "And I can say the same to you. Wasting your time, on a war that can not be won."

But then Shepard says " At LEAST I am fighting."

dam makes you wonder if Destroy you are still fighting.

But then TIM says " Never question my ability to fight. I've been fighting the Reapers longer than you can imagine."

Oh so he has been fighting the Reapers, but you only can now that if you read the comic book, about how TIM got his eyes, and Cerberus stated.
But then TIM says later " Shepard there are choices coming that you're not equipped to make."

major foreshadowing, and Equipped to make, but what does he mean equipped to make?

But then Shepard says " At least I'll be making them as a human being, your just some Reaper puppet."

okay next is Cronus station okay nothing major here, but Shepard asked TIM, about how many did you kill to get to where you are at, but TIM says " You wouldn't listen to me"


Okay this is the last Conversation we have with TIM, he tells Shepard that He needs Shepard to believe, but for what, and then later Shepard tells TIM that that the power has clouded him, and the TIM tells SHEPARD " Are YOU going to Control the Reapers." That's right.He tells Shepard are you going to Control the Reapers. Then TIM goes rage quite when Shepard tells Tim you are weak, and selfish, but it's funny because TIM says " I am the Pinnacle of our species

Harbinger "we are the principle of Evolution."

I did this because Renegade Shepard always get's on TIMs bad side, and TIM revels much more information, unlike Paragon Shepard. So the diffrence is that Renegade Shepard shows tahtZTIm is Indoctrinated, and Shepard might be going under Indoctrination. But Paragon Shepard always questions if you can does hits, then help me. But renegade Shepard is like if you can do it, then do it.

I think that's why Bioware asked have you played through ALL possible out comes yet, since renegade revels much more about the endings, but Paragon is always trying to get TIm on his/her side, but without questioning, that TIM is Indoctrinated.

Edit:Please if you have something to say say it please.
I worked about an hour on this so please let me know if you like it, or not.


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masster blaster wrote...

Holy S***. I found a good renegade option for the Conversation with TIM, on Thessia, and Cronus station, and the Citadel.



okay this sums up everything I was trying to say about Renegade Shepard.

Okay on Thessia Tim says " They are just trying to Control US. Think about it. If they wanted all organic life Destroyed, they could do it..."
then TIM says " I know them Shepard. I know how they think."

Well of course you do your Indoctrinated. That's why you can think like they do.

Then my personal favorite Shepard: " The Reapers have it right. Your Indoctrinated.Your doing just what they want."

Then TIM says: "And I can say the same to you. Wasting your time, on a war that can not be won."

But then Shepard says " At LEAST I am fighting."

dam makes you wonder if Destroy you are still fighting.

But then TIM says " Never question my ability to fight. I've been fighting the Reapers longer than you can imagine."

Oh so he has been fighting the Reapers, but you only can now that if you read the comic book, about how TIM got his eyes, and Cerberus stated.
But then TIM says later " Shepard there are choices coming that you're not equipped to make."

major foreshadowing, and Equipped to make, but what does he mean equipped to make?

But then Shepard says " At least I'll be making them as a human being, your just some Reaper puppet."

okay next is Cronus station okay nothing major here, but Shepard asked TIM, about how many did you kill to get to where you are at, but TIM says " You wouldn't listen to me"


Okay this is the last Conversation we have with TIM, he tells Shepard that He needs Shepard to believe, but for what, and then later Shepard tells TIM that that the power has clouded him, and the TIM tells SHEPARD " Are YOU going to Control the Reapers." That's right.He tells Shepard are you going to Control the Reapers. Then TIM goes rage quite when Shepard tells Tim you are weak, and selfish, but it's funny because TIM says " I am the Pinnacle of our species

Harbinger "we are the principle of Evolution."

I did this because Renegade Shepard always get's on TIMs bad side, and TIM revels much more information, unlike Paragon Shepard. So the diffrence is that Renegade Shepard shows tahtZTIm is Indoctrinated, and Shepard might be going under Indoctrination. But Paragon Shepard always questions if you can does hits, then help me. But renegade Shepard is like if you can do it, then do it.

I think that's why Bioware asked have you played through ALL possible out comes yet, since renegade revels much more about the endings, but Paragon is always trying to get TIm on his/her side, but without questioning, that TIM is Indoctrinated.

Edit:Please if you have something to say say it please.
I worked about an hour on this so please let me know if you like it, or not.


You know, people complain about your giant walls of text, masster, but I like how you always pull evidence directly from the source.

This dialogue definitely has some interesting elements. The foreshadowing about the "choices you are not equipped to make" might be a hint that TIM knows about the Starbrat.

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Hrothdane wrote...

You know, people complain about your giant walls of text, masster, but I like how you always pull evidence directly from the source.

This dialogue definitely has some interesting elements. The foreshadowing about the "choices you are not equipped to make" might be a hint that TIM knows about the Starbrat.


Interesting Masster. I don't generally play renegade so I lack the experience in that with the discussions. I do believe that it is total foreshadowing of later on which raises the question if TIM knows of the Catalyst as Hrothdane brought up. I can assume he already knows about the need of the Citadel. (As shown with the attempt of taking the Citadel) So this does mean he has all the files about the Crucible and more. So why would he need the VI other than to just spite Shepard and make sure that he/she doesn't interfer with TIM's plans. Really the whole thing with TIM and Cerberus raises questions in my mind. 

Add this with the connections w/ Cerberus and London in Priority: Earth and it paints a really strange picture... :huh:

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

I read your post about which squadmates would pick which things. It's really good, but I have to disagree with some of them. Mostly just because I think none of them would ever pick synthesis because of its moral implications. About Legion specifically though, I think he would pick destroy for 3 reasons:
1. The Geth were willing to sacrifice themselves to defeat the reapers.
2. Legion's really big on building your own future = destroy. Control and synthesis are the reapers building it for them; exactly what he told you not to do if you save the collector base.
3. "There will be no more compromise with the old machines. Today, the Geth fight to secure our future." - Geth Prime

http://www.youtube.c...5I8BlWQJg#t=24s

Edit: If you want to reply, I'll read it when I get back. Posted Image


Thanks for the feedback! I put a lot of thought into that post, so I'm glad someone liked it.

I totally forgot about the geth prime (I call him Horde) saying that. In that case, I think you are right about Legion.

While I would like to think that people would be too savvy to pick synthesis, the number of synthesizers on this forum alone shows many do believe it a viable choice. Besides, the only party member I'm pretty sure would pick synthesis is Kasumi IF Starbrat tells her she will get Keiji back. She's ultimately concerned with her own interests, as shown by meeting her in ME3. Thane's weird-ass religion makes for some odd moral decisions, so who knows. On second thought, I see Tali refusing to make such a huge decision for everyone else.

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TJBartlemus wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

You know, people complain about your giant walls of text, masster, but I like how you always pull evidence directly from the source.

This dialogue definitely has some interesting elements. The foreshadowing about the "choices you are not equipped to make" might be a hint that TIM knows about the Starbrat.


Interesting Masster. I don't generally play renegade so I lack the experience in that with the discussions. I do believe that it is total foreshadowing of later on which raises the question if TIM knows of the Catalyst as Hrothdane brought up. I can assume he already knows about the need of the Citadel. (As shown with the attempt of taking the Citadel) So this does mean he has all the files about the Crucible and more. So why would he need the VI other than to just spite Shepard and make sure that he/she doesn't interfer with TIM's plans. Really the whole thing with TIM and Cerberus raises questions in my mind. 

Add this with the connections w/ Cerberus and London in Priority: Earth and it paints a really strange picture... :huh:


I know I don't play Renegade Shepard at all, but thanks for liking it Tj, and Hroth. And believe it or not, this explains Bioware know what they were doing at the end of ME3.

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I'm replaying ME3 again so that I can do the Leviathan DLC from an early point in the story.  I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Anyway, it occurs to me that after all the discussion about why Harbinger didn't blast the Normandy out of the sky...

...why didn't any of the Reapers in Vancouver blast the Normandy out of the sky, either?  Like that one destroyer that blasted two small shuttles while the Normandy hovered close enough for Shepard to see individual occupants thereof from the Normandy's docking bay?

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Hrothdane wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

*Selective snip* Comments in blue. I always like to remember when I'm immersed in a story that the characters are not only speaking to each other but throught the character to the audience.

Okay on Thessia Tim says " They are just trying to Control US. Think about it. If they wanted all organic life Destroyed, they could do it..." At this part of the game I was open to control a bit. I mean if the reapers were fighting Cerberus on sancturary Cerberus must be on to something. Little disappointed that there was no way to let Miranda's Dad live. I know he was a monster, but given the stakes...(mmm steak) I would have been open to working with him, with him dead I didn't believe there was a chance in hell Cerberus could control anything.

then TIM says " I know them Shepard. I know how they think." One thing the writers of Mass Effect hit us on the head over and over again is that the reaper motives are unknowable. This is a warning sign of indoctrination and why you should always be wary of the starchild. If the geth with all their fancy microchips cannot fathom what the reapers mind is like after interfacing with one how is a starchild going to explain in a minute the entire reaper mindset? More likely the mind rationalizes serving the reapers, one way or another.

Then TIM says: "And I can say the same to you. Wasting your time, on a war that can not be won."

But then Shepard says " At LEAST I am fighting."

dam makes you wonder if Destroy you are still fighting. "This is very true, indoctrination changes the way you think and act in ways you may or may not be able to explain. If the decision chamber is an overlay of reality what exactly is Shepard shooting at? The conduit beam dies when Shepard chooses destroy, could it be possible that if Shepard will not willingly open his mind to indoctrination that the reapers will compel Shepard to sabotage the conduit beam thus making sure no one makes it to the citadel?

But then TIM says " Never question my ability to fight. I've been fighting the Reapers longer than you can imagine." [color=rgb(0, 0, 128)">"The writers are also refering to TIM ]It's a miracle TIM [/color]has lasted so long before going full bore indoctrinated.

But then TIM says later[b] " Shepard there are choices coming that you're not equipped to make."
TIM is currently 100% correct, ME3 ends in a cliffhanger with Shepard still in London in a bunch of rubble with Harbinger still around. Not a very good position to be in. Shepard does not have the tools to win the battle against the reapers...yet. *cough* DLC.



You know, people complain about your giant walls of text, masster, but I like how you always pull evidence directly from the source.

This dialogue definitely has some interesting elements. The foreshadowing about the "choices you are not equipped to make" might be a hint that TIM knows about the Starbrat.


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smokingotter1 wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

*Selective snip* Comments in blue. I always like to remember when I'm immersed in a story that the characters are not only speaking to each other but throught the character to the audience.

Okay on Thessia Tim says " They are just trying to Control US. Think about it. If they wanted all organic life Destroyed, they could do it..." At this part of the game I was open to control a bit. I mean if the reapers were fighting Cerberus on sancturary Cerberus must be on to something. Little disappointed that there was no way to let Miranda's Dad live. I know he was a monster, but given the stakes...(mmm steak) I would have been open to working with him, with him dead I didn't believe there was a chance in hell Cerberus could control anything.

then TIM says " I know them Shepard. I know how they think." One thing the writers of Mass Effect hit us on the head over and over again is that the reaper motives are unknowable. This is a warning sign of indoctrination and why you should always be wary of the starchild. If the geth with all their fancy microchips cannot fathom what the reapers mind is like after interfacing with one how is a starchild going to explain in a minute the entire reaper mindset? More likely the mind rationalizes serving the reapers, one way or another.

Then TIM says: "And I can say the same to you. Wasting your time, on a war that can not be won."

But then Shepard says " At LEAST I am fighting."

dam makes you wonder if Destroy you are still fighting. "This is very true, indoctrination changes the way you think and act in ways you may or may not be able to explain. If the decision chamber is an overlay of reality what exactly is Shepard shooting at? The conduit beam dies when Shepard chooses destroy, could it be possible that if Shepard will not willingly open his mind to indoctrination that the reapers will compel Shepard to sabotage the conduit beam thus making sure no one makes it to the citadel?

But then TIM says " Never question my ability to fight. I've been fighting the Reapers longer than you can imagine." [color=rgb(0, 0, 128)">"The writers are also refering to TIM ]It's a miracle TIM [/color]has lasted so long before going full bore indoctrinated.

But then TIM says later[b] " Shepard there are choices coming that you're not equipped to make."
TIM is currently 100% correct, ME3 ends in a cliffhanger with Shepard still in London in a bunch of rubble with Harbinger still around. Not a very good position to be in. Shepard does not have the tools to win the battle against the reapers...yet. *cough* DLC.



You know, people complain about your giant walls of text, masster, but I like how you always pull evidence directly from the source.

This dialogue definitely has some interesting elements. The foreshadowing about the "choices you are not equipped to make" might be a hint that TIM knows about the Starbrat.


Thanks Otter, glad people liked it, and glad people are making some modifications to it.

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Why is formatting on this forum such a ***** make one change and everything goes to hell.
Edit: I would like to add that the comments above that I made are in fact not in blue... I made a couple of changes and suddenly there's code everywhere, I'm afraid to change it further, it might get more gunked up.

2nd Edit: My profile pic!!!!!! I. AM. ALIVE. :wizard:

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smokingotter1 wrote...

Why is formatting on this forum such a ***** make one change and everything goes to hell.
Edit: I would like to add that the comments above that I made are in fact not in blue... I made a couple of changes and suddenly there's code everywhere, I'm afraid to change it further, it might get more gunked up.

2nd Edit: My profile pic!!!!!! I. AM. ALIVE. :wizard:


Nice, and I agree, but with your additon, and my evidence we made a good well post my friend.

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